Well, damn.
2014!
It was too quiet. I hoped Nuss could pull him in. Now it's up to the existing players to get it done.
is it basketball season yet
"I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not.
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This is your team."
worst. outcome. ever.
This stings a little, but mostly because we're losing out to OSU. Lindsay is obviously a solid player, but I don't think he would have instantly made our O-Line dominant.
Time for Glasgow, Kugler or Miller to step up. At the very least, they'll all be around more than the one year that Lindsay would be and will give them that much extra time to gel with the rest of the O-Line.
There is a LOT of middle ground. Let's hope we end up closer to dominant.
greedy. Your telling me if at the end of the year the line is called 'middling' you wouldn't be ecstatic?
I agree, there's no argument that we were anything but awful last year. All I was trying to point out was that this guy was not a savior. I guess I'm more peeved by who Lindsay is signing with as opposed to the fact that we missed on him.
And as M1817 right below this stated, this is better for the team morale standpoint (yes, yes, I know this doesn't win games). But I like to think that our guys will be playing with a chip on their shoulders this year, and that they can grow togethere for the next few years and become an OLine that we are used to seeing.
From a team and OL morale standpoint, we will be better off developing our own players. From a recruiting standpoint, the coaches can point out to recruits that if they go to Ohio, they could be supplanted by a fifth year player that parachutes in.
Exactly. I hope our young lineman are really ticked over all this and approach 2014 with a maniacal passion and anger. Everyone has completely written them off. Let Ohio have their Alabama back-up. Let our guys just play to their potential and we will be fine.
Exactly. I hope our young lineman are really ticked over all this and approach 2014 with a maniacal passion and anger. Everyone has completely written them off. Let Ohio have their Alabama back-up. Let our guys just play to their potential and we will be fine.
Makes sense. What team up north recruits dirty and acts like an SEC team?
I'd do just about anything to have a team that did what it takes to win. The shame in those guys winning and never being disiplined for any of it - since the NCAA sees nothing wrong in anything they do.
Playing the cheating card is pretty lame. Sure, OSU has cheated here and there. Do a few $100 tattoos really make the difference in them kicking our tail for a decade? No. What makes the difference is that they have had two incredible head coaches who know how to recruit talented guys and then make them better. We've had zero. Sick of the excuses year after year.
The worst part about it is having to read here "how dirty the SEC is..." It's very simple, they win quite a bit, are loud doing it, and we dislike that.
Living here in the south do I agree with everything they do? No. But has a single SEC program been punished in their dominant decade for wrong-doing? No. They simply win more than we do, and we dislike that and "they are dirty" is an easy argument.
Have to agree. Sadly.
It is lame, but if you think running a cheating program doesn't help recruit those talented players, you haven't been watching college football for the last decade.
Not all of it can be chaulked up to being excuses. One instance is that most of the talented guys don't go to college to play school, so UM's educational prestige hurts us in that regard.
Then what is it?
So...Lloyd Carr didn't have the ability to recruit talented guys and make them better? Then how did players like Jason Avant, Braylon Edwards, Jake Long, Chad Henne, Mike Hart, etc. come about?
I would say that group of talent severly underachieved when it came to winning.
Injuries matter.
Winning is a different matter. Long was the #1 pick, Edwards was the #5 pick IIRC, Henne is our all-time leading passer and picked in the 2nd round, and Hart is our all-time leading rusher, plus various other success stories. You can't look at that group (and others) and say that Carr was a coach who either couldn't recruit talent or couldn't make it better.
April 22nd, 2014 at 10:05 PM ^
So why didn't we win more with all that talent?
April 23rd, 2014 at 10:04 AM ^
I'm not really interested in getting into that discussion, but the fact remains that Carr had a lot of talent on his teams. The all-time records, NFL draft picks, etc. prove it.
I have to agree, Magnus. It seems to me that Carr's recruiting classes were rated higher than Ohio State's classes more often than not. Tressel just seemed to have had his number.
Not sure how your post makes sense
they also win like an SEC team...
"they also win like an SEC team..."
Not if you talk to the SEC trolls.
How in the world can you not close this deal given our C situation and the presence of Nussmeier? This coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Just another disappointment in a long line of disappointments, particularly with the O-Line.
Not the fact that OSU also has a depleted line, was a good OL last year, was undefeated in the regular season last year, also has good coaches, and maybe, just maybe, Lindsay was willing to try something other than play for the OC that utilized him as a backup the previous year.
I wanted Lindsay to come to Michigan, and it's clear there wasn't a bunch of ill-will between him and Nuss, but let's not act like "this staff sucks because they could not pull in a 5th year grad transfer over OSU".
Honestly I could really care less is our players pretend to care about their classes or not. Just win.
Well...don't leave us hanging. How much less?!
Let's be realistic though, even if he had come to MIchigan, it's not like he would be doing nuclear physics as a grad student.
No matter where he ended up (this includes UM), I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that he's just gonna have the minimum number of classes required, probably do enough to maintain an eligible GPA, and be gone after the semester is over
Mr. "We ain't come here to play school" was a true Freshman who made an incredibly stupid tweet. Yes, it was embarrassing for all Buckeyes, but if you think that is the norm in Columbus, you are sadly mistaken. Just so you know, that guy is a Sophomore now, and is exceeding a 3.0 accum. It is safe to say his comment drew a lot of scrutiny from Urbn Meyer. So far, he has held up well under that burden.
I also highly doubt that Lindsay is a "we don't come to play school" type. After all, he did graduate within 4 years. If he hadn't, he would be a 5th year Senior at Alabama next season.
Funny how he was good enough to be wanted in Ann Arbor, but since he chose to continue his studies in Columbus he is suddenly not good enough for you.
OSU has a depleted line because a bunch of them graduated. UM also has a depleted line, but mainly because (1) the prior coaching staff recruited crappy OLmen who aren't even here anymore, and (2) none of the ones that Hoke recruited have played very well (caveats about the BUT YOUTH!!! argument). -> Adv OSU
OSU had a good OL last year, UM didn't. That's a combination of coaching and personnel (which, again, is indirectly related to coaching, just not this staff). -> Adv OSU
OSU has good OL coaches, after three years no one has any idea if UM has even semi-competent OL coaches -> Adv OSU
So, yeah, a reasonable decision...of which coaching is inescapably a part.