Quinn: Howard Likely Back Next Year
Brendan Quinn, who is (or was) pretty plugged in with the bball program, opines here($) that Howard likely stays next year. Basically, he thinks Warde gives Juwan a Harbaugh-like chance to reset the program with big changes to the staff and roster. Thought this was interesting given the source and most of our general opinion that Juwan's time is running short.
January 18th, 2024 at 6:19 PM ^
It's a Goblin, happiness never stays at the home address.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:01 PM ^
he thinks Warde gives Juwan a Harbaugh-like chance to reset the program with big changes to the staff and roster.
This roster is probably the best it's been in the past few years on paper and changed drastically stylistically from last season. The one constant is Juwan who hasn't been able to construct a cohesive roster since he had Beilein's guys
January 18th, 2024 at 4:10 PM ^
I think it's his worst roster unless you're going by stars in high school. It's a bunch of guys that have been in college and aren't very good. T Will looks better I admit, Olivier is good, and Dug is great, but everyone else looks pretty rough.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:22 PM ^
You are HIGH!!! We have one point guard, one. If you actually believe what you said then you're clueless when it comes to personnel. We only go 7-8 players deep and that's stretching it big fella!
January 18th, 2024 at 9:05 PM ^
This roster is a joke. At least no one is going to the NBA early because it is that devoid of talent. Might be 1 NBA player on it. Might. Might be zero.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:01 PM ^
Michigan screwed up by not hiring a proven college coach. The NBA is so much different than college basketball and he doesn’t know what he’s doing. How can Juwan fix the program if he doesn’t know why or what is wrong with it?
January 18th, 2024 at 4:01 PM ^
Agreed that this is dumb. But does anyone really trust Warde to make a good hire? Maybe in a year it’ll be someone else’s decision to make.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:06 PM ^
How about a good fire to start
January 18th, 2024 at 4:01 PM ^
Looking forward to another hodgepodge mix of recruits and transfers next year that play inconstantly and incoherently.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:01 PM ^
Using the front page metrics that suggest a 2-9 close to the year, is a 9-19 year not COVID on par with a 2-4 outlier year after being highly competitive, sans OSU? That would be the only reach to explain why Howard gets a bonus year. Well, that and Stapleton probably is a huge fan of Howard's.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:02 PM ^
The season isn't over. Let's see if the team shows signs of growth and development. OSU might just be a single random data point, or it might be the start of a trend. If it's the latter, I think he'll deserve a shot at righting the ship.
January 18th, 2024 at 5:39 PM ^
I really don’t get this argument. Before the OSU game, Michigan had lost 5-straight games. I don’t get how anyone can even remotely see the possibility of a trend forming simply because Michigan ended a 5-game losing streak.
January 18th, 2024 at 6:08 PM ^
I'm not exactly optimistic. I have no illusions that this team is playing good ball on either end of the court. I've watched the last couple of seasons. But come on. Juwan is a legend. They have a group of guys that could be a pretty good team, on paper at least. Word was that everyone in the NBA thought juwan was a great player manager and had a good head for the X's and O's. I don't expect an amazing turn around, but I can't see canning the guy if he happens to put it together by the end of the season.
January 18th, 2024 at 8:09 PM ^
Big Ten is dog shit this year, Ohio State is at the bottom of the conference with sparty, rutgers and M... the conference is just pure trash.
Its just not fun ball to watch, from any team in the league.
January 18th, 2024 at 9:06 PM ^
Meanwhile Purdue is #1 most of the year... lol
January 19th, 2024 at 12:24 AM ^
Agree. To not be competitive in the big ten means you're pretty bad. If Howard doesn't turn it around quick, he has no business running the program.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:02 PM ^
That Ohio State win may have saved Howard. Hopefully the program can get something going with another win tonight against Illinois. The team has the talent to go on a run.
January 18th, 2024 at 5:43 PM ^
I’m now repeating myself since this reply will be very similar to the reply I just did, but C’MON MAN.
Michigan is 7-10 and was just on a 5-game losing streak. The notion that he should get an additional year simply because one of the wins was against OSU is ridiculous.
January 18th, 2024 at 7:09 PM ^
This is fantastic.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:07 PM ^
Not a fan, the team sucks and hasn't been good for years. They get worse every year and Dug will probably leave at the end of the year.
Roster will once again be worse, because Howard is bad at managing a roster and coaching them up once they get here anyway.
January 18th, 2024 at 6:12 PM ^
I'm not totally against Howard getting one more year. If the program has a better culture and the team has a better chemistry than it did a year ago, you could argue things are headed in the right direction, but with less talent this year.
Also, if the program really believes in Dug and Reed than let Howard lead them in their upperclassmen year. A lineup of
1- Dug / Anderson 35/5
2- Burnett / GW3 30/10
3- T-Will / Rooths 30/10
4- Rooths / Tschetter 20/20
5- Reed / Grad Transfer 30/10
Looks like an experienced, good lineup to me
January 18th, 2024 at 10:02 PM ^
I just don't think he should need a junior Dug and Reed to be good. This program shouldn't need a core of players to play all 4 years just to be good for one year and then fall apart after.
The team has the same issues of inconsistency, bad rotations and roster mismanagement for years. It's clearly a trend and not a one off.
January 18th, 2024 at 9:08 PM ^
Guy can't defend anyone over 6'1 and doesn't care about academics. Still laughable a portion of this board had him going to the NBA after game 2.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:08 PM ^
I have been very critical of Howard pretty much since the 2nd half vs UCLA in 2021 (a game THAT team had no business of losing). If we had a good core of young guys who seem to just need another year, I would be willing to accept this. Right now we have 1/2 suspended PG and a C in Reed who has not taken the leap at all. Most of our other rotation guys are portal additions who don’t really move the needle aside from Olivier but he’s gone after this year. Williams has a Covid year but who knows.
Howard’s last two years have been a debacle. Last year we had two lottery picks and a 3x All-B1G player and we weren’t even among the first 8 out. Now, one of those lottery picks was a net negative on the floor, but it happened to be his son which is a major mark on his coaching. The year before we saw the same thing with Houstan.
Harbaugh went 9-4 and 2-4 in his final two seasons before the pay cut. Howard has gone from probably Sweet 16 if not for Covid, Elite Eight, Sweet 16, to NIT, to not even CBI level. Harbaugh took a program that went 7-6 and 5-7 to 10 wins year one and a couple inches from the CFP in year two. With a much better situation, Howard maintained our status quo while the last of the Beilein players remained (and he can thank Eli for saving the 2021-22 season) to Ellerbe level in 2 1/2 seasons.
I will gladly eat a lemon, but I do not see a scenario where we make the tournament next year, and for a program that won 2 conference championships, 2 BTT titles, and made the NCG 2x in the decade previous, this is a drastic decline that will take a very long time to get out of.
January 18th, 2024 at 9:09 PM ^
This entire board has Reed becoming 3rd team all American all off season and will be much better for Michigan than Hunter who "doesn't work hard".
As said all summer he is a poor man Dennis Rodman - he has no offense and cleans up rebounds and that's his offense. He supposedly has one of the best big man coaches in the game as his HC.
So many awful takes this summer for maize colored glasses.
Reed is a nice kid, worker, glue guy - he is playing 13 minutes a night for a contender. Comes in, gives you energy, and defense a few rebounds, and garbage points. That's what he is.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:10 PM ^
The fact that he missed much of the preseason and season with his aortic aneurysm and open heart surgery could also factor into this decision. I’m not saying I support the decision to retain him regardless of the outcome of the rest of he season, but I have to think the health issue would be a significant factor to give him another opportunity.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:16 PM ^
Why does anyone want to listen to this BS after SpyGate?
January 18th, 2024 at 4:17 PM ^
I'm not surprised. Despite the problems repeatedly identified here and elsewhere, his heart attack does make the year atypical.
January 18th, 2024 at 5:01 PM ^
Downvotes frequently fascinate me.
Did the downvoter somehow know that I AM surprised, and when I write that I'm not surprised, I'm either lying or ignorant of what I think?
Is my statement that a heart attack is atypical simply stupid, and it's typical for a coach to have no time to prepare a team for the season and then miss many games?
OR is it simply that I'm not joining others calling for him to get fired? Nah. It couldn't be that. Who would require me to do what a majority is doing?
January 18th, 2024 at 5:07 PM ^
You responding to your downvote just corrected your downvote. If you actually care about the fake popularity points.
January 19th, 2024 at 6:51 PM ^
I hadn't considered the points. I suppose it's obvious but the added point wasn't in my mind when I wrote what I did. While I understand downvoting to signal disagreement—though that seems less helpful than explaining disagreement—my interest was/is in the thought process behind downvotes that seem to require agreement with a majority opinion.
Again, my concern is the point I'm making, not the points.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:18 PM ^
Good. We have an excellent coaching staff in place (coaches don't forget how to coach). Remember his early years.
Lots of work needed in roster development. Needs more longer term players and less one and dones to develop continuity. Juwan is a smart man who can learn and improve.
Successful organizations are the ones with stability.
Neg away. :)
January 18th, 2024 at 4:27 PM ^
His early years were clearly because of Beileins guys. He only got Franz because of Beilein. Not to mention Howard's supposed to be a great recruiter and he isn't even doing that well other than Dug.
He hasn't been good at in game coaching either. Especially out of TOs or end of games. And the program is definitely not stable right now.
You might just be joking though
January 18th, 2024 at 7:44 PM ^
His early success was because of Brooks. Eli was basically coaching those teams.
Any other coach would be wildly successful with these assistants. The head man is the problem and Warde can't find anyone worth a tinkers damn to take over
January 18th, 2024 at 4:34 PM ^
An "excellent" coaching staff in place? Um...this seems to be a bit off the mark
January 18th, 2024 at 5:51 PM ^
This is like saying in 2014 Hoke should be retained because he went 11-2 in year 1. Early success doesn’t mean a coach gets a lifetime contract.
Also your second point that Michigan needs much better player development contradicts your initial point that Michigan has excellent coaches.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:18 PM ^
Juwan Howard was for all intents and purposes hit by a freight train with regard to his health/surgery/etc. I am all for giving him another year to get back on track (inadvertent pun, I swear...!).
January 18th, 2024 at 4:22 PM ^
Intensive porpoises*
January 18th, 2024 at 4:18 PM ^
I want Warde gone before there's a coaching search in any sport!
January 18th, 2024 at 7:56 PM ^
wisdom
January 18th, 2024 at 4:20 PM ^
The problem is you can't just overhaul a coaching staff in basketball and make things better. The team is constructed poorly with no shooters, no leaders, and a point guard that thinks he's Russell Westbrook but is too short to get to the hole strong. This team needs a full rebuild. It's not going to get better over one season.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:25 PM ^
Stick to football. Dug and Russell Westbrooke you should try standup, today!!!
January 18th, 2024 at 5:54 PM ^
You’re right that it’s not a guarantee that a new coach will win immediately if the roster he takes over is awful.
You’re also right that the team needs a full rebuild.
So who do you want rebuilding it? The guy who destroyed it or someone new with a track record of turning programs around?
January 18th, 2024 at 4:21 PM ^
It’s not altogether surprising. Howard has been out this year with the health issues, so I can understand getting a bonus year.
With that said, the trajectory for the program has been down for a few years now, and I don’t expect a turnaround next year.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:23 PM ^
I sometimes wonder if Juwan knew this season would suck based on departures and incoming portal guys and didn't replace his assistants because he knew he'd probably get that one chance to replace his staff before he was fired, so basically it bought him another year. Howard has a borderline 5 star coming in next year in Rooths and can go portal hunting again and maybe not spend so much time going after guys who will have trouble getting in unlike the last 2 years.
January 18th, 2024 at 4:28 PM ^
Got a question? Honestly how does one know whether or not a Caleb Love can get in or not when he attended UNC for three to four years! Since you said, he knew! By the way he plays for Arizona, as we speak.
January 18th, 2024 at 5:08 PM ^
Don't forget his other choice was accused of rape. Culture builder and all.
January 18th, 2024 at 8:47 PM ^
Yeah, Juwan's pre-crime unit is for shit, man.
January 18th, 2024 at 5:13 PM ^
Michigan has had significant trouble getting non-grad transfers admitted, its not exactly breaking news as Michigan had similar (but not identical) issues with TSJ the year before. Martelli even called the whole process "a leap of faith" when he was asked after Love de-committed. By the time Love de-committed and transferred to Arizona the pool of potential impact transfers was thinned significantly. So much so that Michigan is not using all their scholarships this season and is not surprisingly not a good team so far this year.
Burnett? Grad Transfer
Trey Jackson? Grad Transfer
Nkamhoua? Grad Transfer
Llewellyn? Grad Transfer
Caleb Love? Not Grad Transfer
Terrance Shannon Jr? Not Grad Transfer
They have gotten non-grad transfers admitted before (I believe Chaundee wasn't a grad transfer) but there's enough evidence out there to suggest that its a risky proposition at Michigan.