October 29th, 2023 at 12:00 AM ^
God I love college football.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:01 AM ^
Uh oh...you'd think the PI in the family would be the one with shoe polish on his beard. What a family of clowns.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:02 AM ^
The hints from the stuff I've heard it reported that guys like Isaiah Hole have said (note the game of telephone here; I'm not the best informed) suggests a combination of someone who would have a personal reputational interest in Michigan not succeeding, someone with a grudge, and someone who was formerly on staff.
That's not Ryan Day's staff. It sounds more like Mike Locksley's staff to me.
I guess we'll find out sooner or later. The smoke that came from OSU before this broke in the mainstream is a counterargument to this.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:15 AM ^
I doubt very much Josh Gattis would risk his career on something so stupid as sharing hacked information with the NCAA. Plus he was gone after ‘21. That wouldn’t account for the ‘22 material.
October 29th, 2023 at 8:00 AM ^
Would Gattis also want to try and fuck over a team that still has plenty of guys he coached? It seemed like he was still on pretty good terms with the actual players and as much as he might think he was slighted by Harbaugh, I feel like he’d have reservations about doing anything that would screw over players that he himself coached.
That’s where I’m iffy about Gattis being involved in any of this.
October 29th, 2023 at 8:50 AM ^
…and their moms….
October 29th, 2023 at 12:21 AM ^
It was a rough day to be Maryland lol
October 29th, 2023 at 1:11 AM ^
Imagine how rough it will be if Harbaugh decides that Gattis needs to be shut out.
October 29th, 2023 at 7:38 AM ^
While Gattis is the most arrogant and petty coach I've ever been around...I don't think he's got enough "see it through" for some kind of an operation.
Now if it's a matter of turning over things from his computer to start this chain of events...yeah, that's something he would do, but I can't see him doing the whole PI/scheme thing.
OSU has the type of obsessed characters to put this kind of stuff together.
October 29th, 2023 at 9:47 AM ^
Same thought I had watching Northwestern win yesterday
October 29th, 2023 at 12:02 AM ^
(Edited for posting something factually incorrect. Thank you for the fact check. Best to have facts in order as stories unfold rapidly)
October 29th, 2023 at 12:07 AM ^
Former DEA agent, pretty sure you don't get to keep the badge
October 29th, 2023 at 12:08 AM ^
Ah I thought still current. My bad.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:29 AM ^
If he retired or spent more than 10 years with the DEA, he is eligible for "retirement" credentials (badge/ID).
October 29th, 2023 at 12:08 AM ^
I understand he's also mixed up with a Brazilian hair-dye smuggling ring.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:20 AM ^
He started the firm to try to get revenge for his brother's beard, but things went south quickly.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:12 AM ^
So while I agree with every comment here, they also found something.
is there an ncaa bylaw that says one cannot hire an outside investigative firm to dig up dirt on your rival?
There is an NCAA bylaw that says you can’t have your staff in person scout opponents.
but if what they did is illegal it should be pursued to the highest degree possible.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:19 AM ^
I wouldn't be shocked if it is not addressed because who in their right mind would think that one day we would have to protect schools from being investigated by their arch rivals.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:23 AM ^
Actually, there's no bylaws saying that you can't pay non staffers for in-person scouting.
So there's that...
October 29th, 2023 at 1:16 AM ^
I’m not sure the NCAA agrees with you. Why would the NCAA continue with an investigation if the rule that Stallions allegedly broke wasn’t even a rule? From the very beginning, it was alleged that Stallions paid people to scout and video future opponents. That hasn’t changed. If it’s allowed, why even look into it? I would guess that the NCAA has a different interpretation and they have every intention of enforcing it or they wouldn’t have pursued the investigation. The NCAA is notoriously slow, but they jumped right into this one and it just doesn’t seem plausible that they would do so knowing the allegation isn’t a violation.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:28 AM ^
Lots of Mgolawyering has explained why there's a case to be made that Stalions didn't violate the rules as written, and it's probably what Stalions himself figured. We all understand that the NCAA does not have that interpretation and that Michigan isn't going to pursue that interpretation.
October 29th, 2023 at 3:56 AM ^
And several Mgolawyers, myself included, have explained why those arguments are unlikely to succeed. But that’s not what people want to hear so of course our views are dismissed.
October 29th, 2023 at 8:57 AM ^
Are they being dismissed? I think the realization that those arguments are unlikely to succeed are why people realize that Michigan isn't pursuing them.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^
Several MGoLawyers have claimed that an argument based on the fact that what Stalions did was not against the rules are not likely to succeed, but none of them actually made a case for why that was so. I remember one MGoLawyer arguing that Stalions's actions were against the "spirit of the rules," but we know that there is no general prohibition whose violation would be a spirit of the rules" violation. In fact, the idea that the rules-makers wanted to eliminate the rule entirely indicates how little that rule mattered in the spirit of the rules.
I'm no lawyer but I have read the rules pretty carefully and am experienced in logic. I cannot see any general principal in the rules that Stalions's scheme would have violated.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:45 AM ^
This is not about busting them for an NCAA violation. This is about laughing about what pathetic soft losers they are.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:06 AM ^
Speaking of which, I have not read a rule anywhere that says one team is not allowed to have its own fans referee a game against its rival, or one that says you are not allowed to bring bomb sniffing dogs to stop your rival's team bus outside the stadium (twice). These types of things are just capital W Wrong, on their face, to the point that no rule is even necessary for even vaguely well adjusted humans.
Ohio State pulls shit like this as part of their nature, their completely trash nature. People like us will never be able to predict what they do next, or make enough rules to stop them from being complete trash, because they exist and are allowed to exist, and they are complete trash.
October 29th, 2023 at 7:07 AM ^
^^^ Underrated. ^^^
UM and OSU are not on the same plane.
October 29th, 2023 at 4:18 AM ^
We're in the court of public opinion now bud. There are no bylaws.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:16 AM ^
Day, the tight spiral is supposed to be the football, not your career.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:28 AM ^
Years of cooler pooping trains your sphincter to keep a tight spiral.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:18 AM ^
This year it will be 3rd and 13 for the old Buckeyes. Good discovery on the potential agency.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:21 AM ^
You've got yo be kidding me! You have GOT to be kidding me. Ryan Day, and his brother, is behind this? What a petty human being. Both of them.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:26 AM ^
Sounds like based on Twitter replies someone might have found a second person connected, also located in NH and talking about investigating high profile college programs.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:10 AM ^
Link?
October 29th, 2023 at 1:24 AM ^
https://x.com/gord93/status/1718476700055388465?s=46&t=0_jG0mfAmSwG-21U…
Brief chain. Believe he sent the info over to Seth
October 29th, 2023 at 9:38 AM ^
Hampton, where Chris Day is located looks like it's maybe 20 miles from Portsmouth, where this other guy is. Do you think private investigators 20 mi apart know each other?
October 29th, 2023 at 10:02 AM ^
The good ones do.
October 29th, 2023 at 10:09 AM ^
Do you NOT think PIs that are 20 miles apart in New Hampshire would know each other? It would be shocking if they were unaware of each other.
October 29th, 2023 at 6:11 PM ^
How many private investigators can there be in the world that focus on "investigating high profile college programs?" There's discussion on the other thread that this basically never happens, which of course isn't quite true, but you wouldn't think there's so much of it that there would be two within 20 miles in an area with no major college programs nearby (BC doesn't count).
October 29th, 2023 at 12:37 AM ^
We really need to find out the name of the firm that gave the NCAA the documents.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:47 AM ^
I don't see how this doesn't come out eventually. The NCAA must know the firm and surely they'd be obligated to tell Michigan who the firm is, right?
October 29th, 2023 at 11:18 AM ^
They will have to if Michigan files a lawsuit and commences discovery.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:43 AM ^
Time for some mealy mouth statements from anonymous sources pointing at those dickheads.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:49 AM ^
The clearest evidence that this all comes from Day is the fact he refuses to say anything bout the situation. If he had nothing to do with it he'd go on a anti Lou Holtzian rant.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:42 AM ^
I guess he legally can't comment on an investigation that he's part of, so it makes sense.
October 29th, 2023 at 2:57 PM ^
If he's actually the subject of an NCAA investigation and the NCAA isn't announcing that, there will be hell to pay. If he's not the subject of an investigation, he has no legal obligation to remain silent.
October 29th, 2023 at 12:51 AM ^
The neighbors are throwing recyclables in the trash!
How do you know?
I broke into their house to look for evidence. What a bunch of crooks they are, huh?
October 29th, 2023 at 1:03 AM ^
Please, mother of god, let it be true Day hired his god damn fucking brother to "investigate" Michigan's supposed signal stealing, and it's this firm that tipped off the NCAA.
If so, this investigation will take years, will ultimately vindicated UM, and perhaps most importantly, if it's true Day's brother tipped off the NCAA, UM's gonna have AN ABSOLUTELY WICKED motivation to knock the living hell out of OSU when they visit AA towards the end of November.
#GoBlue
October 29th, 2023 at 7:16 AM ^
Seems unlikely that the link would be so direct. But it’s a tantalizing new piece of info.
October 29th, 2023 at 1:07 AM ^
While I don’t think Day would really be that stupid enough to use his own brother’s firm, that’s just way too obvious, his brother’s connections in the DEA and own PI experience make him the perfect candidate to help Day find one.