stephenrjking

October 29th, 2023 at 12:02 AM ^

The hints from the stuff I've heard it reported that guys like Isaiah Hole have said (note the game of telephone here; I'm not the best informed) suggests a combination of someone who would have a personal reputational interest in Michigan not succeeding, someone with a grudge, and someone who was formerly on staff.

That's not Ryan Day's staff. It sounds more like Mike Locksley's staff to me. 

I guess we'll find out sooner or later. The smoke that came from OSU before this broke in the mainstream is a counterargument to this. 

Perkis-Size Me

October 29th, 2023 at 8:00 AM ^

Would Gattis also want to try and fuck over a team that still has plenty of guys he coached? It seemed like he was still on pretty good terms with the actual players and as much as he might think he was slighted by Harbaugh, I feel like he’d have reservations about doing anything that would screw over players that he himself coached. 

That’s where I’m iffy about Gattis being involved in any of this. 

MaizeBlueA2

October 29th, 2023 at 7:38 AM ^

While Gattis is the most arrogant and petty coach I've ever been around...I don't think he's got enough "see it through" for some kind of an operation. 

Now if it's a matter of turning over things from his computer to start this chain of events...yeah, that's something he would do, but I can't see him doing the whole PI/scheme thing.

OSU has the type of obsessed characters to put this kind of stuff together.

Modernmanshustl

October 29th, 2023 at 12:12 AM ^

So while I agree with every comment here, they also found something.

 

is there an ncaa bylaw that says one cannot hire an outside investigative firm to dig up dirt on your rival?

There is an NCAA bylaw that says you can’t have your staff in person scout opponents.

 

but if what they did is illegal it should be pursued to the highest degree possible. 

DHughes5218

October 29th, 2023 at 1:16 AM ^

I’m not sure the NCAA agrees with you. Why would the NCAA continue with an investigation if the rule that Stallions allegedly broke wasn’t even a rule? From the very beginning, it was alleged that Stallions paid people to scout and video future opponents. That hasn’t changed. If it’s allowed, why even look into it? I would guess that the NCAA has a different interpretation and they have every intention of enforcing it or they wouldn’t have pursued the investigation. The NCAA is notoriously slow, but they jumped right into this one and it just doesn’t seem plausible that they would do so knowing the allegation isn’t a violation. 

grumbler

October 29th, 2023 at 2:53 PM ^

Several MGoLawyers have claimed that an argument based on the fact that what Stalions did was not against the rules are not likely to succeed,  but none of them actually made a case for why that was so.   I remember one MGoLawyer arguing that Stalions's actions were against the "spirit of the rules," but we know that there is no general prohibition whose violation would be a spirit of the rules" violation.  In fact, the idea that the rules-makers wanted to eliminate the rule entirely indicates how little that rule mattered in the spirit of the rules.

I'm no lawyer but I have read the rules pretty carefully and am experienced in logic.  I cannot see any general principal in the rules that Stalions's scheme would have violated.

brad

October 29th, 2023 at 2:06 AM ^

Speaking of which, I have not read a rule anywhere that says one team is not allowed to have its own fans referee a game against its rival, or one that says you are not allowed to bring bomb sniffing dogs to stop your rival's team bus outside the stadium (twice).  These types of things are just capital W Wrong, on their face, to the point that no rule is even necessary for even vaguely well adjusted humans.

Ohio State pulls shit like this as part of their nature, their completely trash nature.  People like us will never be able to predict what they do next, or make enough rules to stop them from being complete trash, because they exist and are allowed to exist, and they are complete trash.

Ezekiels Creatures

October 29th, 2023 at 12:21 AM ^

You've got yo be kidding me! You have GOT to be kidding me. Ryan Day, and his brother, is behind this? What a petty human being. Both of them.

umfan83

October 29th, 2023 at 12:26 AM ^

Sounds like based on Twitter replies someone might have found a second person connected, also located in NH and talking about investigating high profile college programs. 

Yeoman

October 29th, 2023 at 6:11 PM ^

How many private investigators can there be in the world that focus on "investigating high profile college programs?" There's discussion on the other thread that this basically never happens, which of course isn't quite true, but you wouldn't think there's so much of it that there would be two within 20 miles in an area with no major college programs nearby (BC doesn't count).

Jonesy

October 29th, 2023 at 12:49 AM ^

The clearest evidence that this all comes from Day is the fact he refuses to say anything bout the situation. If he had nothing to do with it he'd go on a anti Lou Holtzian rant.

mooseman

October 29th, 2023 at 12:51 AM ^

The neighbors are throwing recyclables in the trash!

How do you know?

I broke into their house to look for evidence. What a bunch of crooks they are, huh?

greymarch

October 29th, 2023 at 1:03 AM ^

Please, mother of god, let it be true Day hired his god damn fucking brother to "investigate" Michigan's supposed signal stealing, and it's this firm that tipped off the NCAA.

 

If so, this investigation will take years, will ultimately vindicated UM, and perhaps most importantly, if it's true Day's brother tipped off the NCAA, UM's gonna have AN ABSOLUTELY WICKED motivation to knock the living hell out of OSU when they visit AA towards the end of November.

 

#GoBlue

Harmon4Heisman

October 29th, 2023 at 1:07 AM ^

While I don’t think Day would really be that stupid enough to use his own brother’s firm, that’s just way too obvious, his brother’s connections in the DEA and own PI experience make him the perfect candidate to help Day find one.