OT: Stupid Idiots plotting to overthrow the gov't get caught by FBI. [LOCKED]
There's no other way, really, to describe a bunch of stupid neckbeards gathering in a field to try and overthrow the Governor, then getting caught by the FBI trying to do it.
As smitten with the Mitten as we all are...these boys are dumb, and they should feel dumb.
[Locking this up. I just took a quick 3-minute scan thru 6 pages and it's obvious the thread had long-ago degenerated into mostly mud-slinging.]
DTOW
October 8th, 2020 at 12:19 PM ^
"...talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights, in which they could be self-sufficient."
Couldn't they all just move to an area together and live self sufficiently on their own? People do it all the time, its called camping.
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A Fun Guy
October 8th, 2020 at 12:21 PM ^
Man, if only they could just find a society that is modeled by the US Bill of Rights......
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ldevon1
October 8th, 2020 at 12:26 PM ^
My favorite part of the OP:
stupid neckbeards
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Dr. Detroit
October 8th, 2020 at 12:26 PM ^
Something tells me that out of the Bill of Rights, they only know part of the Second Amendment.
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Teeba
October 8th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
Yeah, that whole, “well regulated” part is usually left out. Seems like it was important enough for the Framers to include. Perhaps they meant something by that.
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jbibiza
October 8th, 2020 at 1:19 PM ^
These groups are not 'militias'. They should be called by a more accurate name like 'hate gangs'.
The second amendment referred to organized government militias, which were a major part of the country's military potential at that time. It is irrelevant today and was never meant to arm idiots like these groups.
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Hugh White
October 8th, 2020 at 1:56 PM ^
I think the word you’re looking for is “terrorists”.
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jblaze
October 8th, 2020 at 3:04 PM ^
Brown = terrorist; white = militia
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Sopwith
October 8th, 2020 at 6:33 PM ^
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lmgoblue1
October 8th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
Oh hi there Kamala
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BlowGoo
October 8th, 2020 at 4:21 PM ^
Terrorists.
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Desert Wolverine
October 8th, 2020 at 8:07 PM ^
While not disagreeing that this whole group has a collective room temperature IQ, before you make definitive statements about what parts part of the Constitution mean, you need to go read what the guys who wrote it had to say. People today confuse the fact that while the revolution was fought with large contributions by irregular militias, Washington was clear that the Continental Army, not the militias were the fighting force of import. By the time of the Convention both Adams and Madison were clear that they respected the need for an independently armed populace to act as a brake on Governmental Over-reach. The armed farmers at Lexington and Concord did not win independence, but they did send the initial armed foray scurrying back to Boston creating a time window for the rest of the colonists to decide what the reaction was going to be.
Personally I think Gov Whitmer has made significant errors in judgement and behavior, however I wish her no ill. In fact, I hope she has a long and happy retirement, its just that I want it to start sooner than later.
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Brimley
October 8th, 2020 at 9:09 PM ^
The armed farmers acted as a brake on citizens resisting their government in the Whiskey Rebellion when the well-regulated militias of several states, with Washington riding at the head, put down a tax rebellion. This was a couple years after the Bill of Rights was ratified. Also, according to property records, gun ownership wasn't very common at all circa 1776.
I'm not looking for a fight over the amendment. However, if the standard we're going to apply to Constitutional issues generally is framers' intent, we have to know exactly the world they lived in (which is radically different from now, of course).
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umumum
October 8th, 2020 at 9:15 PM ^
I'm guessing they're all Constitutional scholars.........or meth heads.
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Naked Bootlegger
October 8th, 2020 at 12:43 PM ^
Maybe this was the real motivation behind the ill-fated MGoBlog camping outing?
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Double-D
October 8th, 2020 at 2:06 PM ^
Does the username check out?
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Seth
October 8th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
The only failure of the camping outing was when it was Brian's turn to sing. There are people who can't carry a tune, and then there are people who drop the tune, trip on it, land face-first, then roll down the hill with the tune into a nuclear plant which then melts down.
This is real by the way. We actually went camping together once. Sorta. Upchurch's uncle who looks EXACTLY like Jim Leyland had us all out at his cabin, all being me, Brian, Ace, Eric, and Heiko, plus wives/girlfriends and Subarus.
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Infectious Dis…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:20 PM ^
I hate to break it to you but there are videos of one of the main dudes in this insanity (Brandon Caserta) and he doesn't look like any Republican in my town. He is sitting in front of an Anarchists' flag and looks like he was picked from liberal central casting.
Good job on all of the assumptions though. ??
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:34 PM ^
So what do Republicans look like?
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East German Judge
October 8th, 2020 at 3:41 PM ^
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Infectious Dis…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:44 PM ^
Well, he describes HIMSELF as an anarcho-libertarian. He's about as far from a blue-suit conservative that you can get. Everyone jumped to conclusions and now we are going to deflect via rationalization I see.
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njvictor
October 8th, 2020 at 3:48 PM ^
Anarcho libertarian is far right, which completely goes against your "He'S a LiBeRaL" assumption. Keep attempting to distance them from the modern day Republican party, but it's not gonna work
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TIMMMAAY
October 8th, 2020 at 9:27 PM ^
Some of them genuinely believe this kind of thing (above). It's insane. Certain news outlets (I will refrain from naming names) have a lot to answer for. I think that a lot of these people - I don't know if it's most, half, a quarter, whatever - are generally good people, who have been outright brainwashed by a constant stream of absolute bullshit. But a lot of people have their preferred network, and just don't get exposed to much else. These media outlets, and the personalities they employ have become very sophisticated about keeping people engaged, and outraged (driving further engagement).
The only way out that I can see, is a modern version of the Fairness Doctrine, codified into law and applied to anyone or anything purporting to be "news". Otherwise we're already way too far down a very slippery slope. Most everyone has picked their "side", and nothing that anyone says or does will sway the "other side" an inch. Very tricky, and serious situation.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:51 PM ^
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anarcho-libertarianism
Who was it that jumped to conclusions?
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crom80
October 8th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
who said he was a 'blue-suit conservative' or even a 'republican'?
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Billmunson
October 8th, 2020 at 4:52 PM ^
Timothy McVeigh wannabes.
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YouKnowNothing…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
Says the person making assumptions about political leanings based on others' appearance.
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DT76
October 8th, 2020 at 4:09 PM ^
Anarchists <> Liberals
Stop getting your news from the propaganda channel.
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MgoHillbilly
October 8th, 2020 at 4:39 PM ^
Likewise, libertarians aren't anarchists.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 7:34 PM ^
That's because no libertarian has ever, or ever will be, that cool.
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BlowGoo
October 8th, 2020 at 4:49 PM ^
FWIW (which isn't very much at all):
https://twitter.com/wxyzdetroit/status/1314288671101722625?s=19
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Jon06
October 8th, 2020 at 7:58 PM ^
I know you're incapable of processing evidence but here's your boy in his boogaloo outfit: https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/10/08/PDTN/aa90809d-6181-4496-8218-4c600f9d7c38-Kinetictruth-video.jpg
There's only one side those people are on, and it's not the liberal one.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 12:20 PM ^
Might be time to stop minimizing home-grown terrorist cells by calling them idiots. Just last year people who we would lump in with this group committed nearly 2/3 of all terrorist acts in America.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states
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JamesBondHerpesMeds
October 8th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^
You're right, and I should state that this wasn't intended to imply minimizing of the issue. I think my schadenfreude for their indictment in a time where their behaviors are implicitly endorsed by many of our elected officials came through here.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^
Sorry, I was commenting more in general. I should have made that clear.
I just wish we could get journalists to stop referring to them as militias, because that is not what these organizations are.
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Nobody Likes a…
October 8th, 2020 at 1:03 PM ^
I commend you both on the civility of this exchange.
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JamesBondHerpesMeds
October 8th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
I wouldn't have had it any other way. The responder made a really important point here that I should have clarified in my initial OP.
Would you care for a spot of tea?
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ldevon1
October 8th, 2020 at 1:10 PM ^
a military force that engages in rebel or terrorist activities in opposition to a regular army.
According to Dictionary.com
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 1:16 PM ^
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246
(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—(1)
the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)
the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
I don't think this group fits that definition. They are using violence, or the threat of it, to influence politics. They're terrorists.
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Sam1863
October 8th, 2020 at 1:38 PM ^
I think of them as pathetic little boys playing "Look at me! Ain't I tough?" while waving around their semi-automatic penises ... but calling them "terrorists" works too.
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MFun
October 8th, 2020 at 1:49 PM ^
They should be fully prosecuted for sure.
Same goes for the militant BLM folks and Antifa anarchists.
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teldar
October 8th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^
This is completely reasonable that all people who use violence for political leverage should be prosecuted regardless of political affiliation.
I will say I don't believe most of the BLM organization is terrorists. I think a lot of them are people who see racism. It's unfortunate they're aligning with a group whose real objectives might not be so simple.
Antifa members, on the other hand, many are violent terrorists and should be treated as such.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 3:42 PM ^
"Antifa members, on the other hand, many are violent terrorists and should be treated as such."
It's odd that you people keep saying this without offering any proof of your claims, and in defiance of the official position of the United States DOJ.
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teldar
October 8th, 2020 at 3:56 PM ^
There's the journalist who was attacked until unconscious because he joined the"blm" riots under cover and was found out. His premise was that they were actually right wing extremists but was amazed that they were left wing antifa members. He wrote articles and do I believe they cracked his skull. This is now. It was just written about.
A couple years ago there was a right wing rally and 5 people were stabbed. It's in the article that was referenced.
Much of the destruction in the"blm" riots is from people from people who are on camera arguing or ignoring actual blm protesters.
I think if you deny Antifa is at all a problem, I would guess that's willful ignorance or an agenda.
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Shop Smart Sho…
October 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
Andy Ngo is not a journalist. He is a right-wing provocateur who is on tape planning violence with white nationalists.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/andy-ngo-right-wing-troll-antifa-877914/
The people stabbed were protesting at a Nazi rally. If you're surprised that antifa shows up at a Nazi rally to break it up, I think you might be interested in learning the history of the antifa movement.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html
You're right, much of the destruction caused at BLM "PROTESTS" is started by outside groups. Here is an example for you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/umbrella-man-white-supremacist-minneapolis/
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teldar
October 8th, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^
And read your own damn article. It lists Antifa. Jesus, dude. Read the shit you cite.
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M Vader
October 8th, 2020 at 4:23 PM ^
Antifa is a movement, composed of numerous autonomous organizations. Broad generalizations apply poorly.
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Medfordblue
October 8th, 2020 at 4:18 PM ^
I live in a suburb of Portland. Trust me the Antifi in Portland are borderline terrorists, as are the Proud Boys. They are so on the left and right that if political leanings were a circle they would be touching each other.
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sharklover
October 8th, 2020 at 5:59 PM ^
I live in the city of Portland and I work within blocks of the epicenter of the downtown protests. While I am no fan of antifa, I think your attempt to equate them or their tactics with the proud boys is totally off base and ill informed.
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DT76
October 8th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
You know who was a fascist? Hitler was a fascist. Mussolini was a fascist. Being antifascist is a good thing.
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