November 23rd, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
Gardner is worse now than he was in his first game after playing WR. He looks like Sheridan in that Nebraska game.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:37 PM ^
So, yes, the tools are there.
They are not being coached well.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:56 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:16 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:02 PM ^
Well this ought to make you feel worse:
OSU total offense - 536.9 PG, we have 383.3 PG
OSU rushing - 315.1 PG, we have 135.7 which is higher than I though it would be
OSU 49.4 PPG, we have 34.3 which is still higher than I'd thought
Hyde is averaging 7.9 yds per carry, Fitz is averaging 3.5
Ohio has 6 receivers with more than 15 receptions, we have only 2 with more than 12.
I don't think that's counting today, so it may actually be worse. And for those of you that want to point to our defense, we haven't faced an offense this productive all season.
Does anybody believe in miracles?
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^
RR in year three 7-6 counting the bowl game. He was fired.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
Yeahhhh.
Lets just brush those 3-9 and 5-7 under the rug to make a hasty comparison.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:28 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:29 PM ^
Ya lets brush off the other circumstance too. Like the 2008 team which lost every skill position on offense from 2007. Let's ignore that Michigan's record improved every year under RR while under Hoke it is worse each year.
When Hoke was hired there was more than one person who stated that if Hoke had the same record in year three that RR did he would be gone as well. Well, here we are.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
Michigan needed some luck to get to 7 wins...... Very easily this season could have been 5-7 or worse.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:33 PM ^
Michigan needed some luck to get to 7 wins...... Very easily this season could have been 5-7 or worse.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:34 PM ^
11-2. 8-5, probably 7-6 this year.
Hoke et al. have been here three years. The direction the program is heading is painful to observe. What has anyone observed to think that things will turn around?
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:02 PM ^
I say give him a chance to fire Borges and right the ship on offense. If he doesn't, then we'll talk about letting him go.
Rich Rod got a chance to get a new D coordinator. True that he only got 3 years, but I think Hoke's first season buys him at least one more. Lets give Hoke a chance to get a new O coordinator.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:27 PM ^
And that was after he improved each year.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:15 PM ^
I guess you could say that, if you ignore that we went 9-4 the year before RR got here and then fell off a cliff to 3-9 his first year. That was not expected. We were actually ranked in the top 25 going into the 2008 season. RR lowered the bar so low that year that it was pretty much impossible not to improve from there, but after three years the program was performing far worse than it did under Carr.
The worst thing we can say about this team is that it is at the same pace as RR's best season. Hoke will not get fired for this season alone, and I don't think he should. But he will need to follow Beilein's lead and improve his staff.
November 23rd, 2013 at 6:08 PM ^
Rodriguez inherited a team that lost to Appalachian State and then saw Jake Long, Chad Henne, Mike Hart, Mario Manningham, Adrian Arrington, Justin Boren, Shawn Crable and Jamar Adams depart.
The worst thing you can say about this team is that it has regressed every year since RR was fired. Hoke inherited a team that had the personnel to win more than 11 games. He underachieved by allowing stupid game plans that threw away the Iowa and MSU games in 2011. This year the regression has accelerated.
I don't think Hoke should be fired, among other things, it's extremely unlikely that a decent coach would want to come to Michigan after the way RR was treated (not just the firing but childishly refusing to give him a bowl ring).
As I sit here watching Arizona beating Oregon 35-9 I wonder where Michigan would be if Brandon had honored the contract with RR.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^
against a much better schedule and he was improving clearly....Iowa is a bad to terrible team and MSU is mediocre, penn state is awful, Nebraska is a bad team. This is the worst season of Michigan football ever.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^
That being said, our offense was pathetic today.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:45 PM ^
He seems to be doing ok for himself now...
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^
You really didn't have to delete the "Fire Borges Open Thread" thread. Sometimes I think you're taking this modding job too seriously -- this is a blog, after all, and we came here because we are pulled in by Brian's wit and humor. You are turning it into corporate america.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:41 PM ^
This.
The mid-game shutdown of the liveblog was cringeworthy.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:52 PM ^
That needed to happen. That shit was unbearable.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:02 PM ^
the groupthink of serious internet businessmen.
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 5:09 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^
hoke did not get outcoached, he lets it all up to borges. borges has to go
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
If his coaching strategy is to leave it to Borges then yes he did get out coached
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:26 PM ^
I have words. It was bad. Borges is not competent. He should be fired.
Even when he "gives in" and introduces spread elements (bubble screens, options, etc.), the offense looks entirely uncomfortable with the plays.
November 23rd, 2013 at 7:38 PM ^
it may be because they are uncomfortable with the plays. I'm not sure what is getting added week to week. I do think the base + play expansion concept is not meshing with the personnel who are moving around. Think about the Funchess-is-a-tight end-no-he's-a-wide receiver-but-let's-let-him-play-tight. Really a mess.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^
I feel like Homer Simpson or a cave man is coaching this team. WTF!
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
If Hoke doesn't replace either Borges or Funk or both by the end of the season then I will officially be on the fire Hoke bandwagon.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:32 PM ^
Join us. I've been on board since Nebraska when I realized his irritating responses in interviews were more than just coach speak but reflected coach ineptitude. We had 6 yards in the 2nd half before that last drive and I'm sure Hoke will say the play calling was fine. At least RR's teams were improving and Denard looked better each season. Bye bye Hoke. I hope you enjoy play calling from home soon.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:45 PM ^
Right, fire him with one game to go.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
Heisenberg is that you?
I think what has been said the past 4 weeks can be said again. Borges needs to go. If Hoke doesnt do it, Brandon needs to. If no one makes a move, be prepared for angry alumni and their lack of donations.... then the move will be made.
Tough Loss, Defense played very well. What can you do? They played hard and I am sure they gave it their all.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:25 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
Look at the whole picture. Brady Hoke=Fat Ron Zook
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
Borges.
Fire.
Borges.
Fire.
Borges.
Fire.
Borges.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:48 PM ^
The Oline sucks, so Devin must go... makes sense.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
November 23rd, 2013 at 4:41 PM ^
Is it really possible no one gets fired? What excuse can Hoke/Brandon possibly make for Borges at this point?
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^
we don't have enough of it.
November 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^