Morris stands above talented Elite11 field
http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1387279
I know we have been hearing mixed reviews on who has had the best Elite 11 performance so far, but here is Mike Farrells input. He has him ranked as the top QB so far.
1. Shane Morris, Warren (Mich.) De La Salle - Morris earned the gold jersey for the afternoon after winning the accuracy contest in the morning and he continued his fine play in 7-on-7 situations. While all of the quarterbacks have been encouraged to check down quickly, Morris keeps his eyes downfield more than others, has a cannon arm and fit the ball into some tight windows. He still clearly prefers to throw to his left so he needs to work on field vision, but he has shown the most overall tools through two days.
Here's a few other QBs of interest:
4. Malik Zaire (ND)
7. Max Browne (USC) #1 QB in Rivals rankings
10. J.T. Barrett (OSU)
14. Christian Hackenberg (PSU)
But but but Farrell is a deuchbaaaaag Pawwwwwwwwl
I think we (collective Mgoblog) can get a little too worked up about ratings at some of the camps.
Field vision hopefully will come with time, experience.
went and totally redeemed himself.
Most recruiting sources have pointed to Shane as either the 1 or 2 quarterback of the camp so far. Although, interesting to see Max all the way at 7 with Farrell. Who knows, maybe Shane will see 5 stars across the board after the Elite 11.
But honestly, who cares. We know that we're getting a crazy good talent here and we all trust in Hoke so I ain't scurred. ugh. Rick Ross Grunt.
Lots of topics on the board but nobody is posting much. Great news for Shane. Give that man a 5th star on Rivals.
They currently have 17 five stars and Morris is ranked 22nd. Swoopes is ranked 17th and has struggled at the camps recently, so it's possible he could fall. (Yes I know, these types of camps don't fit his strengths)
The type of camps where all they make you do is throw?
yes. Those camps for qbs...apparently isnt that qb's strong point
OK - but if you're a raw passer, but an elite athlete, the camps where all you do is throw doesn't really show off your full talent.
Love him or hate him, think Tim Tebow. Would he look like the best passer in a group like this? No. Should he still have been a 5-star? Of course. Similar argument for TY. Sure, throwing is a big part of being a QB, but for a lot of guys it's certainly not the only part.
That's the point, Jaylon Smith will be spying him. That takes a guy out of coverage and really limits your coverage/blitz options when you have to play against an effective running QB.
So, lets say they leave a run shotgun 4 wide and run the RB out into the flats.
If you rush 4 and spy in the 5-10 yard zone with a LBm unless that QB has some type of downfield threat the Cover 1 safety will be more than enough to comfortably send all 4 lineman all out.
You run into matchup issues when you still need to drop 2 safeties which requires some type of pocket passing ability.
...Which is the point. Nobody has ever played a running QB (or anybody else) and decided they can't rush four players, the problem is that four players is typcially not enough. You're giving him all day to sit back there and find an opening. If your gameplan involves letting receivers run around the secondary all day then you won't be stopping them very often. And if your counterpoint is "well he can't throw anyways," then the discussion is moot. It's accepted that if you're going to start you you have at least Denard level passing abilities.
No one expected him to win these events, but people did expect him to hold his own, which he just isn't doing at the Opening and now the Elite 11. He should fall on all sites.
Wait whhhhhaaaaaaaaattttt???
Not sure if your talking about Shane but he's been a Top 2 performer @ the Elite 11 and has won or tied at the top of multiple categories.
Edit: Maybe your talking about Swoopes? If so then yes he should fall.
They handed out 32 5 stars in 2012 and 26 in 2011. If he moves up( he should) or stays at 22. Shane is getting a 5th Star.
How do you guys think Denard would do at a camp like this?
Denard would have at least finished in the top-5 for 40 times though.
You can only look so much into a 40 time. A good 40 requires a quick start and some people don't have that technique down. Obviously Denard, with his track background, would put up an excellent 40 time.
Swoopes also finished outside the top 5 in the shuttle. So he does not have great lateral movement or footwork (to the extent you believe this test demonstrates this). He also finished outside the top 5 in vertical (not that you need a vertical to play QB but it is a test of overall athleticism) and powerball (another test of athleticism).
So taken together, you have a QB that does not have great fast burst speed, footwork/agility and lacks other athletic measurables. Then throw on top that he is not at all a refined passer. Raises some flags.
(Usual caveats about testing not equaling football apply)
Denard would have killed the 40 and the shuttle as well. No idea on his vertical or powerball toss.
Yeah but he's black!
/notracistjuststerotypicaldualthreatqb
36" AND a 41 ft. 5 inch powerball toss!. Impressive. Guess that's why we saw those long, high bombs to Hemmingway. I'm not sure if the powerball is accurate, but I'm confident that was the results I called 2-3 years ago.
**Recalled**
36" AND a 41 ft. 5 inch powerball toss!. Impressive. Guess that's why we saw those long, high bombs to Hemmingway. I'm not sure if the powerball is accurate, but I'm confident that was the results I recalled 2-3 years ago.
Swoopes is a future WR. He'll get some snaps at QB in a Tebow like role, but mark my words...his future is at WR, even when he gets to college.
This is true, but for a guy who is heralded as the next Vince Young or Terrelle Pryor, it's not very impressive that Swoopes has a 4.77 40-time (as compared to the other two, who Rivals both listed as having 4.4 times in high school).
Maybe he just ran a bad time.
Trust me, I think he is extremely overrated. BUT you can only look into these camps so much to predict how it translates to his play on the field.
What's the point of the question? Denard was a 4-star, and we're talking about whether Swoopes deserves a 5-star. So you either just supported the point that he shouldn't be a 5-star, or made a moot point.
will still point to the fact that Morris completed less than 50% of his passes last season.
whatever helps them sleep at night. I mean...seriously, who gives a shit what MSU fans think? Some posters on this board get far too worked up about not only what MSU fans ACTUALLY say, but what they MIGHT say. Just let it go.
Sparty...who cares?
You all have probably heard the old joke that Jesus could not have been born in East Lansing due to the lack of wise men and virgins...
...so why try to argue with idiots?
There is no trying to convince sparty with logic. Everyone said tha this WR were very underwhleming and failed to get separation when needed. Thankfully for Shane he will have Jack Wrangler who also plays on his 7on7 team.
He plays for an average prep school football team. How can you question the kids ability when he not only competes against the TOP talent in the NATION during 7 v 7 tournaments and elite 11 camps in the summer, but stands out as the best amongst all QBs?
...But then again I wouldn't argue with a Sparty about this. If I was to argue in such a speculative and irrational nature, however, I might point to the fact that Sparty is putting its 2012 hopes in a quarterback whose recent 2011 experience includes four games against terrible opponents, and total of 1 career TD. But that's only if I was feeling irrationally speculative.
Although that's true - Michigan HS football isn't that strong nationally, and Shane basically willed them to that spot. The talent level around Shane is certainly average, at best.
Those mediocre high school WRs can't handle the heat.
saying is that this Shane Morris fellow is good..... that is all I need to know
Unless Ace Williams says it, I don't believe it
/Bizzarro Scouting World
Scout Kennedy likes Morris and Olsen best in this video recap
In the article, he states that Max Browne was the best and criticizes Shane's consistency. Maybe we should have Farrell talk to this Kennedy guy.
You don't have to be so rough on him.