that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
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|19 weeks 4 days ago||Absolutely||
Great guy with an extraordinary devotion to the university. Sad to see him go as he was a constant source of positive energy and moved the program in the right direction academically and in terms of recruiting talent.
Wish he had succeeded more on the field, and sad to see him go.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||In case you guys didn't see||
Jon Runyan Jr.'s team high school team won the PA state championship for his group, so little Jon must be doing something right!
|1 year 18 weeks ago||woooo!!!||
actually infinite percent more voting, but we won't be picky since we're so happy
|1 year 20 weeks ago||That might be on the low side||
Serious question though - what do you you personally get out of telling everyone you're dropping your season tickets so much? Why do you want to keep talking about it?
Everyone has their own methods for dealing with disappointment, and this season has certainly been disappointing, but there just doesn't seem to be a lot in it for you.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||it's a nice straw man||
but no one is actually angry at the people who are dropping their season tickets.
No one really cares that you are taking your ball and going home. Not us, not the athletic department, no one.
|1 year 20 weeks ago||I am going to renew and ask||
I am going to renew and ask to move into better seats when all you people decide to drop. Next year might be bad but the year after that we have both MSU and OSU at home with what will be a great team by then.
So to all of you I say: please, give up your tickets, I will gladly move into your prime real estate.
It seems bad, but this team is just around the corner.
|1 year 22 weeks ago||Not sure why the callout||
I don't think SC's or anyone else's disagreements mean that they don't appreciate the vast knowledge you, Brian, have about Michigan football from watching and studying it. So why take the comments so personally? SC's posts add quite a bit of value to this site, and the debate is not as black and white as "I'm on this side of the fence you're on that side." It's helpful to have opposing points of view for me, at least.
And where does it get us if everyone agrees anyway? We all clamor more for Borges to be fired? Clearly part of the problem is execution and part of the problem is they're doing something difficult. When an offense performs like M has the past few games no one is really "dying on Borges Hill," even SC. The debate is really about where the coaches failed - in playcalls or preparing the players to execute hard assignments ahead of time.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||You're right that it's not||
You're right that it's not unheard of, but it's still not a very good foundation to build a "Hoke doesn't develop top tier talent" on.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Power football still wins||
It seems to me that every team that has won the national championship has controlled the line of scrimmage with a physical attack. Even the spread teams that have won the national championship (Florida, Auburn, Texas to some degree) did it with physical, downhill rushing QBs and an offensive line that could run over people.
I don't mean to say running a spread couldn't work, but I think the Stanford-Oregon game does indicate that there is nothing inherently wrong with power offense (I hate the pejorative term Manball). We just need to pick an identity and stick with it - that has been the problem lately not the move away from the spread.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||next year||
|1 year 23 weeks ago||This||
Makes little sense on a few levels. First, Harbaugh is no longer there. Second, we are recruiting on Harbaugh levels. Third, you don't know that about Hoke based on anything other than his answers to dumb press conference questions.
This game should be encouraging to everyone that the program is headed in the right direction.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||thank you||
This is pretty much the call to reason I was hoping to read. While no one is happy with performances like Saturday's, I see this team on a very upward trajectory, mainly due to recruiting and the "crater" where the senior class should be. Firing is the easy part of the equation, but unless there is someone better suited for the job who those people think would realistically take the job and they can name them, it's only half an argument.
I had a lot of hope for this year that obviously isn't going to be fulfilled, but the idea of going through yet another coaching change is completely unpalatable. Borges bears much fo the blame for the performance this year, but I also think the offense-without-an-identity is partially due to the fact that he ran a spread (which we all applauded) for 2 years. It's technically year 3, but really only year 1 in the Borges system. They should still be farther along, but that with the youth should at least cast doubt on the "he needs to be fired immediately" argument.
Brian's point about transitions is the one everyone seems to forget. - they take time. Let the guy prove he can't win with his own class of seniors before jumping back into the cesspool of coaching changes.
|1 year 23 weeks ago||Even if it is prescient||
Which I don't think it is, it still sucks
|1 year 24 weeks ago||question||
do you think the problem is running from under center or the fact that our offensive line didn't play very well in that game? Is the blocking that different?
|1 year 24 weeks ago||This is exactly correct||
Every discussion on this forum seems to begin with the underlying premise that what Brian says is gospel, so disagreeing with him takes an incredible amount of effort. There is also seems to be a general feeling that not running the spread is a choice that could only rationally made by people who lack the capacity for abstract thought and hate knowledge and learning - it doesn't exactly foster a positive environment.
I personally have decided to diversify my sources of M football information and take Brian's post for what they are - informed editorials with identifiable biases.
EDIT: and I should be clear that I very much appreciate and respect this blog and the content providers here. My knowledge of the players and football concepts is worlds higher than it was when I started reading 4 years ago.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Absolutely||
And I admire them more for their persistence. I just don't have the energy to fight the overwhelming negativity most of the board and front page has generated recently. Those two posters have done more than their share.
And thanks to the OP for posting this. SC in particularly has been far more well thought out and far more helpfully than nearly everyone on the Borges hatred bandwagon.
|1 year 24 weeks ago||Correction||
Jon Runyan Jr. goes to St. Joseph's Prep, and it looks like John Reid also goes there.
Also, as I mentioned in the Runyan thread Victor Hobson was also a prep guy.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||"Manball" is the accepted||
"Manball" is the accepted opposite of spread so he mentioned it by contradiction.
The difference of opinion I have, I guess, is that I don't see any basis for the coaches "failure to appreciate what tempo changes accomplish." I think they appreciate it but choose to focus their attention elsewhere.
Also, generally "tempo" is a synonym for spread and implying that a lack of tempo is a program wide problem is imposing an inherent bias that (1) the spread is an inherently better system and (2) the coaches are stuck in the Stone Age for not employing the spread. I'm fine with the preference but dislike the idea that anyone who prefers power football is inherently either out-intelligenced or hopelessly stuck in the past.
And I haven't seen the excitement in for the system. I think he has been excited about the recruiting but very critical of the system.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||this paragraph||
this quoted paragraph below is a fairly strong rebuke of the entire program, basically for not running the spread. It is prominently displayed at the beginning of the UFR and states that Michigan has a "whole program issue" because they have trouble with Indiana's offense at the moment. My point is there are a number of reasons they had trouble with the offense, and not running a jet tempo spread may contribute but doesn't constitute a program level issue.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||So far so good||
I think I don't rank high enough and so have avoided the choke using the force so far :)
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Manball||
Is there anything wrong with the program that we can't blame on "manball"? Do you think there might be other more important issues besides the fact that they don't go at jet speed on offense and so are used to practicing against that? It seems that indiana puts up points against everyone, not just those teams that spend time practicing at warp speed.
We are perfectly capable of being a very good team without running the spread. Just because it's new and fun doesn't mean the coaches are idiots for not running it.
Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebels' hidden fort!
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Even granting that you can||
Even granting that you can find a trend from a 6-1 record so far this year, the outlook for this team is more positive for the next 3 years than it has been at any point since 2006 or 2007. The "trend" is definitely positive.
When a coach is recruiting like Hoke et al., you let them prove they can't manage a team before making assumptions based on his record with a team that still isn't really his guys and has with very few upperclassmen on the 2 deep from the previous staff. Those last 2 points are related, it only seems like it's Hoke's team now because no one is left from RichRod's classes who would be playing.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||One more question||
How smart do you think les miles is and how smart does he sound in press conferences?
|1 year 25 weeks ago||The levels are||
Your complete lack of any rational basis for calling him dumb. He actually makes quick intelligent decisions and answers questions in press conferences quite well, much better than RichRod who put his foot in his mouth every other week.
Yet you have the gall to call the guy stupid based on what exactly? Have you seen Alabama and it's "antiquated philosophy" an how far it got them.
The ceiling is based 99.9% on recruiting, not how well you can teach a zone read. All the teams at an elite level year in and year out recruit like crazy.
The guy also happened to take a 7-5 team that got blown out of the gator bowl to 11 wins and the sugar bowl the very next year too, but somehow the press conference responses are more important.
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Absolutely||
A few people kept the faith last week. Looking forward to some some apologies for the apologists
|1 year 25 weeks ago||Fire Borges!!!! He knew we||
Fire Borges!!!! He knew we could do this all along!!!
Burn in firey moooordooooorrrrrr!!!!
|1 year 26 weeks ago||also I think it's at 3:30 not||
also I think it's at 3:30 not 5pm
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Really hoping this guy gets||
Really hoping this guy gets banned soon. Not funny or helpful or intelligent. Just stupid and annoying for the sake of it.
|1 year 26 weeks ago||Hindsight||
You're of course entitled to complain about the playcalling in OT, but I don't think you should pretend it isn't monday morning quarterbacking. Maybe you'd like to see him be more aggressive, and certainly with hindsight you would, but the strategy is, a priori, easily defensible.
Like I said above, Mark Richt did the exact same thing against Tennessee in OT that we did against PSU, and then no one mocked him mercilessly because his kicker made the FG...
|1 year 26 weeks ago||The fact that something||
The fact that something worked once, and that that one time was the only time you tried it, certainly means that it's a defensible strategy.
It may not be the best, depending on your perspective, but had Gibbon's made the field goal no one would have complained, just like everyone forgot after the sugar bowl and UGA's OT win over Tennessee the week before, where they did exactly the same thing.