speculation purposes only. the irony of U of M and tosu offense reversals if Meyer replaces the vest
How ironic would it be if, although only a distant rumor, Urban Meyer (spread guy) replaces Tressel (pro style guy) right after our own reversal of pro v. spread coaches. Not saying this is going to happen, but I thought it was somewhat ironic.
How do you think Meyer's spread with Pryor at QB would have done? Seems like it would have been pretty tough to defend, of course, everybody was hard to defend for our D last year. Luckily we won't have that scenario to worry about. I really believe Tressel's offense, although very good, was not the right scheme for Pryor.
Meyer probably wouldn't have had the success he did without superman Tebow.
Just food for thought since there is little going on with U of M football and all focus is on burying the Vest.
His brother is on the team now, he plays fullback. His brother Zach didn't have anything to do with Justin's recruitment, he was in junior high at the time.
There was one other guy, but that was during WW2.
He did so well at Michigan the Buckeyes couldn't WAIT to get their hands on him!
I don't understand this. Meyer JUST quit. Why would Meyer quit at Florida to take another job immediately? Why would he quit at Florida to take another job after only taking one year off? I mean, I'm sure it's possible, but I just don't get it.
And if you're having health problems, why would you take a job with rabid fans that'll make your life a living hell?
Honestly, if he does coach again, which right now.. who knows, I see him taking a more posh, lax job like ucla.
Every delusional buckeye fan on earth thinks that any coach who has ever had anything to do with the state of ohio will drop whatever they are doing to take their "dream job" at ohio state. Forget that urban meyer turned down his dream job at notre dame, he coached at bowling green and is from ohio. That's enough for every buckeye fan to name him the number one candidate for the job.
Kind of like Michigan fans thinking this is a dream job, a destination job, and then we end up with Brady Hoke?
Yes. I like Brady Hoke a lot, even though I was worried about it. But, yes, the delusional overestimation of your school's prestige is similar. However, I think Ohio State's is even more extreme than UM's.
I think Michigan and Ohio State fans have a similar estimation of their respective school's prestige, which is why I agree that Ohio State's is the more delusional.
We did the same thing with jim harbaugh, the difference is he acually had some intrest in the job. Urban meyer has never said anything about taking the ohio state job, but everyone in columbus is positive that he is going to take it.
Jon Gruden.
I think we'll find out it's spread vs. multiple.
I don't think it's right to call OSU's offense Tressel ball, or pro-style or whatever. It varies from year to year. Smith ran a spread in '06. Pryor was often in the shotgun last year. In between it's been closer to pro, but OSU will do whatever, including changing from game to game. BTW, OSU seems to do the same thing on defense. The betting is that it will do more 3-4 due to the lack of depth at tackle.
The more controversial part is whether Michigan under Hoke/Borges will be pro- or multiple. I'm guessing that the offense will vary enough from year to year depending on the talent and won't be squeezed into simply a pro-style. This year is the test for that hypothesis.
...that jt is no longer the coach at that school in Ohio when he is officially canned or he officially resigns. And not a minute before.
all I want is for it to take a looong time to be settled. Bleed their recruiting to death with uncertainty over the course of years.
Didn't the Gators have a lot of Fulmer Cup issues under Meyer? Maybe I'm wrong (and I know someone will tell me if I am), but it seems that you don't want to follow up a coach with issues with another coach who has known to have questionable kids on the squad.
I think the fact that Meyer has won at every school he's been the head coach is reason enough you probably don't want him at OSU. His last season at Florida wasn't much to write home or anywhere about but much of it being because of his qb's lack of being a qb and more of a turnover machine. In Meyer's defense I do believe Brantley was the 3rd best QB in the class right behind Clausen and Mallet.
I do agree that recruiting kids out of Florida would be much more difficult if he were at OSU instead of a Florida school but he would already have one of his former assistant coaches with him in Stan Drayton. Drayton being hired on by OSU mainly because of his knowledge of recruiting the bejesus out of Florida.
I don't know if that would be terribly ironic, but it would represent an interesting shift in philosophy for the program from a fluid offense to one that is decidedly spread.
That being said, I don't think Urban Meyer and his health issues (cardiovascular in nature, I thought) would want the stress of an overzealous and blindly loyal band of bespectacled Skoal fanatics in scarlet sweatervests hounding his every move.....
Hey, don't hate on skoal. I'm a Grizzly man but skoal is still good.
I don't think that OSU would even offer the job to Meyer. The last thing they need is a situation in Columbus like we had here. I know that they would want another Buckeye just like the Michigan fans wanted a "Michigan Man". Meyer isn't a Big 10 guy, and it will irk Buckeye fans that he is from an SEC school. I think if Tressel does get fired, OSU will hire Mark Dantonio away from Michigan State. He coached at OSU before, he knows the Big Ten, he recruits the midwest, and he is 3-1 against Michigan. Marky Mark would be the guy I think they go for if/when Tressel gets fired.
You might be overestimating tradition at OSU. They have a few, but they're mainly centered on pooping in coolers, etc.
I agree in regards to Dantonio (I think Meyer is a longshot for other reasons). He seems like the obvious choice IMO. He didn't just coach at osu, he was the DC (2nd year) for their 02 championship team and had the second ranked scoring defense in the country... They were pretty damn good in 03 (third and final year) as well.
I'm no fan...
But Dantonio's resume is pretty impressive... Aside from bowl games as a head coach and maybe his first year in the BE with Cinci.
What the hell do you mean he isn't a Big Ten guy? I hate to say it, but this isn't Rich Rod, a guy from West Virginia, with no real sense of the Big Ten, etc, coming to Michigan. It's more like Nick Saban going to Alabama. Rich Rod isn't even in the same league as Urban Meyer, the man's won 2 national championships and has shown that he's flexible enough to let his defensive coaches actually run the schemes they think are the most effective.
Why does everybody think Meyer will go to OSU?
You gotta clear out your signature man, you're killin' MGoBlog!
EDIT: Doesn't kill it now.
Done. My apologies to all
He was a TE and WR coach under Earle Bruce. He's from Toledo and has stated that ND and OSU are his dream jobs. Things have also been said about him wanting the job after Tressel retires (this was said before it was found that Tressel lied but after tatgate was originally found out.) He's currently working for ESPN/not coaching. Things are happening in Columbus.
And also said Michigan was one too, but didn't have any interest in the position that WAS open.
Frankly my dream tOSU coach would be Rodriguez.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1919059
Read this from 2004. Maurice Clarretts acusations about Tressel. A lot more believable now.
I don't have enough points to begin a thread now.
Were I in charge of hiring a head football coach for OSU, I'm not touching Urban Meyer. What's to say to he's not going to reprise his health problems 2 years down the line? He's not getting younger. Even if they do well in the short term, that doesn't seem like a great move for the future.
Urban meyer is From Ohio and worked as a Graduate Assistant for 2 years at OSU. Jim Tressel did'nt have any ties to the OSU program when he was hired. The main reason people think Urban would take the OSU job if offered is because his contracts at Florida and Utah had escape clauses for OSu , Michigan and Notre Dame. Meyers family loves Ohio or atleast it was reported they do anyways and honestly if you want to quit your demanding job to spend more time with your family you dont take a job in T.V a week later.
I'm not worried about if they hire Urban tho , seriously I want competitive games with OSU. I want to worry a little bit about the outcome. Over all I want to win yea, but games that are over at halftime are'nt as fun to watch unless you where a big underdog. I really hope they don't fire Tressel before The Game this year because I want to send him off with a loss!
April 26th, 2011 at 11:17 PM ^
Tressel was an OSU assistant from 1983-85.
doggedly tries to stay on at OSU, the whole time under a cloud of uncertainty about new revelations and future NCAA sanctions.
String it out over a few years and create a recruiting atmosphere of instability while Michigan is now the solid stable program.
If I'm a big time recruit, I'm not touching OSU for a while.
But more when I heard one of those made up candidate lists that had Dan Mullen on it.
I agree that recruiting Florida kids to Ohio is a whole different deal than recruiting Florida kids to Florida. If Meyer goes to OSU, he'd likely be effective in recruiting the state, though I'd guess not as well as Tressel. The senator seemed to have the state locked up and I'm assuming had great rapport with the high school questions. Meyer probably isn't on the same level, though I suppose he could be.
How much stock should I put in Brandon's assertion that regional ties are an important element in success? (Obviously Meyer has ties to Ohio.)
Why wouldn't OSU just hire Fickell?
April 26th, 2011 at 10:09 PM ^
Frankly I think Meyer feigned all this sickness stuff to get out of the cess pool of the SEC. You'll remember he booted Newton out, I think he just got sick of dealing with SEC shadiness. Just my opinion considering every where else he left was nice and clean.
April 26th, 2011 at 10:11 PM ^
If OSU fires Tressel, it's because the NCAA hammer has come down hard. If that's the case, they'll have a tough time landing Meyer. The talk about him is purely speculative anyways, and has a certain "Les Miles to Michigan 2007/Harbaugh to Michigan 2011" echo chamber quality to it.
But let's say it did happen for a moment. Even given Meyer's supreme talent as a coach, and OSU's ridiculously fertile recruiting grounds, he'd be unlikely to produce Florida-like insta-championships. Let me explain why:
1. When Meyer came in to UF, he was replacing a coach (Zook) who recruited the same type of players for a similar offense. Not the case at OSU.
2. Florida is the BEST recruiting spot for spread offense players coming out of HS; Ohio is not.
3. Meyer came to UF following a disappointing stint from Zook, which meant expectations were moderately tempered; at OSU he would be following up one of the most successful coaches in its history...if things don't work out quickly, sniping will follow, a la RR at Michigan.
4. As good an offensive mind as Meyer is, it's pretty clear his offenses took a step back after Dan Mullen left.
5. Most of his top defensive assistants have also moved on.
He's still a great coach, and would be a great hire for OSU, but a "wait a minute, this is harder than I thought" situation doesn't seem unlikely to me.
April 26th, 2011 at 10:17 PM ^
This would be fantastic, as we all know, the spread won't work in the Big Ten.
/sarcasm
April 26th, 2011 at 10:55 PM ^
Meyer's success at UF had a lot to do with the fact that Ron Zook had already recruited a lot of talented kids on both sides of the ball, and many of whom--on offense--fit perfectly into Meyer's more power-oriented spread. He followed that up with some great staff hires on defense.
RR both inherited a much worse situation and made poor administrative decisions that exacerbated the problem. Our defense in 2008 had a lot of talent, and it wasn't used effectively. Our offense did not, and we couldn't keep our best 3 skill players on offense. We didn't recruit well on defense, or coach well on defense, and you can see the results for yourself. Offense showed promise, but only after 3 years and not enough to offset both its issues and the increasingly horrific ones on defense and special teams.
Then there is, in fact, a major difference between the two spreads: RR's is more speed-based; Meyer's more power-based. Arguably, Meyer's spread-offense is better suited to a bruising conference schedule than RR's, I repeat the word "arguably," because there are so many other factors involved, and such a small sample-size, that it's impossible to conclude one way or the other. I suspect RR's offensive system could have worked better than it did, given more depth, upperclassmen and better defense behind it. But we can't discount the notion that the small, fast guys RR preferred have trouble when going up against big, bruising Big 10 defenses week after week. It certainly seemed that way.
If Meyer went to OSU, it would be after a scandalous exit for one of OSU's most successful coaches. Even given Meyer's reputation, there would be attrition. He would find it more difficult to recruit his kind of players in Ohio than Florida, and he wouldn't be able to hire most of his great staff on the defensive side of the ball. As with Rich Rod, change-averse alumni and boosters would be ready to pounce whenever it seemed the school did not win the Big 10 championship.
If he fails, or does okay but bails after a few disappointing years, I would suspect a combination of these factors as the culprit. If he succeeds, where RR failed, it might also be because he inherits a deeper roster, sits in one of the best recruiting areas of the country, makes better staff decisions on defense, does better PR with the old schoolers and alumni, and takes a more holistic--rather than systematic--approach to managing the team. To be honest, I'd guess it would be a disappointing run for everyone over there, though more 22-15 than 15-22, and ending with another retirement rather than a dismissal.
April 26th, 2011 at 11:04 PM ^
I'm guessing you didn't see the /sarcasm on the bottom of my post?
April 26th, 2011 at 11:14 PM ^
I was responding to both the sarcastic argument (which people do actually make) and the implicit counter-argument in the sarcasm, as you can see after a careful re-reading of the content.
Like I said, we don't actually have an answer as to whether "the spread," by which we really mean Rich Rod's version of the run-oriented spread, can work over the coarse of the Big 10 season consistently, and better than the alternatives. RR's offense was only successful 1/3 years, and Randy Walker's only 2/7. That's a total of 3/10, or 30% success rate...but with a really small and potentially skewed sample size.
Meyer doesn't run the same system, so whether he did or did not have success, wouldn't tell us whether RR's system would or would not work.
April 26th, 2011 at 10:36 PM ^
I hate to bring it up, but I have to. As an english major who ended up in a career no where related to my field of study, commenting on other's misuse of grammar and vocabulary is the only way my college education is ever put to use.
So, how would this situation be ironic? No one situation is having any sort of effect on the other, which is one of the key ingredients of irony. Although it is slightly arguable that ironic could be used in this hypothetical situation (an argument that would be lost) the more appropriate word you are looking for to explain this is coincidental.
Now while we're on the topic of irony, the eventual downfall of Tressel because his lying about Tatgate would actually be a perfect example of tragic irony, but that's for (hopefully) another day.
April 26th, 2011 at 11:01 PM ^
yes i believe that he was on the staff while earl bruce was the coach at ohio state so he understands the tradition there. Having went to school at the university and his both he and his wife being from there and family still there, if health reasons permit you would have to think he would seriously consider the position regardless of the sanctions. If he could pull kids from florida that would be bad news...the speed down there is where its at and i think tOSU finally realized that after their last two nat' championship games they need to recruit sec calibur speed and have.
April 26th, 2011 at 11:24 PM ^
Not so ironic. Urban Meyer was a spread guy on offense, but he also fielded some punishing defenses. The latter seems to fit pretty well with OSU, and the Troy Smith team ran some spread.
April 27th, 2011 at 10:44 AM ^
No...I'm not a stalker of coach's daughters...This was RT'ed and then re-posted by someone in my Twitter feed:
April 27th, 2011 at 11:20 AM ^
hello there Nicki Meyer.
is straight up Fine. No way he wants her in Columbus with that crude, rude, uneducated 'fan' base (no foul on the good students there). No father would want his daughter harassed by the same bunch that makes me keep my kids at home, rather than travel to that cesspool for a game. If I go, I go with my men. It is no place for a lady.