Update on Harbaugh suspension from ESPN: "NCAA deal with Michigan's Jim Harbaugh rejected"

Submitted by Swayze Howell Sheen on August 13th, 2023 at 11:43 AM

Source: ESPN

From the article:

"The Michigan infractions case is related to impermissible on and off-campus recruiting during the COVID-19 dead period and impermissible coaching activities -- not a cheeseburger," said Derrick Crawford, the NCAA vice president of hearing operations, in reference to a common over-simplification of the case in some media circles that distilled it to buying burgers. "It is not uncommon for the COI to seek clarification on key facts prior to accepting."

[my own comment: sounds like Derrick is an asshole]

Harbaugh's lawyer also is quoted:

Tom Mars, Harbaugh's attorney, also issued a statement Saturday, saying, "Pursuant to the NCAA's internal operating procedures, and under threat of penalties, Michigan, the involved coaches, and their lawyers are prohibited from uttering a word about this ongoing case. Yet the NCAA can issue a public statement putting its spin on the case?"

[my own comment: I like Harbaugh's lawyer]

So, the saga continues, and it looks like the NCAA is digging in their heels, unlike speculation from the previous thread. 

Bo Harbaugh

August 13th, 2023 at 12:58 PM ^

Someone has to pay for all the illicit benefits, drugs, strippers and illegal activity going on at Tennessee, Bama, UGA, OSU.

Entire thing is like an Onion article.  Just look at Kirby, Saban, Meyer over the years and compare to Harbaugh...and this is the guy they choose to go after?  LOL

Hopefully Warde and admin back him up and tell NCAA to go fuck themselves.

Blue in Paradise

August 13th, 2023 at 6:56 PM ^

I am not aware of that at all.  This is not politics here as I am not even stating my own views - just stating publicly known facts...

1. Jim Harbaugh is a close, personal friend of Michelle Obama and was personally invited by Michelle to one of Barack Obama's State of the Union speeches.

2. Harbaugh was a big supporter of the BLM marches in the summer of 2020 both participating himself and encouraging his team to participate.

3. I assume you are referring to the "choose life" comments from last year.  I have no clue what his views were on the Prop vote last year but I am ok with other people's view regardless of whether they agree with me or not.

 

To summarize, I believe that Jim Harbaugh, like most thinking people, have complicated / nuanced views on political and social issues.  More people should have nuanced views vs. just falling in line with their "side" (whatever "side" they are on).

goblu330

August 13th, 2023 at 9:33 PM ^

Ok.  Maybe it isn’t political.  Whatever.  I don’t care in the least what Harbaugh’s political stances are but some people are insane about that stuff and don’t do nuance well.

All I am saying is I feel like the NCAA is after Harbaugh for some reason personally.  I don’t know why it is but that is how I feel.

Angry-Dad

August 14th, 2023 at 8:35 AM ^

If the NCAA has an ax to grind with JH it may come from his position of giving players more power and freedom of choice. He pushed publicly for the one transfer rule and spoke openly about the current rule pushing kids to have to fabricate or exaggerate conditions at their current school to get a waiver. 
 

just a thought.  Lots of coaches bitch about the portal also. 

Michigan Arrogance

August 14th, 2023 at 7:48 AM ^

I don't think it breaks their own bylaws - only the other party (UM/JH) can't comment. They just generally don't walk into the weeds like this. And the cheeseburger statement really nails it b/c UM/JH NEVER said a damn thing about cheeseburgers. Interweb msg boards did. 

Which means, the 'lawyers' who work for the NCAA are getting 'barrassed about their bullshit by reading about it on this and other boards. Sad, considering most of them are 'lawyers' who couldn't find a realy 'lawing' job and go stuck playing pretend law with the NCAA. They are fretting about having to find a real job in 5 years when the NCAA dissolves. Polish up those CVs NCAA people, you may have to move back in with Omma and Appa.

JonnyHintz

August 13th, 2023 at 1:11 PM ^

I don’t know if this is what is being referred to specifically, but my understanding is the NCAA is punishing Jim/Michigan for knowingly providing false or misleading information to their investigators. The issue is, from what I’ve heard, that Harbaugh essentially answered “I don’t recall who paid” when questioned about the burger. Which, it’s reasonable that you wouldn’t remember who paid for a specific meal that occurred 2 years ago, especially given a schedule as busy as a college football coach. 

 

If that is the case, the burden then falls on the NCAA to prove that Harbaugh DID recall who paid and then lied about it. Which, proving what someone does or does not remember is a pretty tall task. (“I don’t recall” is a common answer in many Congressional hearings for this exact reason) So arguing that in an actual court of law gives the NCAA very little to stand on. In addition to the inconsistency in NCAA rule enforcement. 
 

It is easy for the NCAA when they are both the prosecution and the judge in these cases, but if it gets taken to an actual court of law they lose that leverage. The further this goes past the NCAA, the less power they actually have. 

maquih

August 13th, 2023 at 1:27 PM ^

What JonnyHintz said is totally fair and accurate, I believe, but in the moment I was thinking more generally. 

There's a lot of stuff the NCAA does that's just not legally sound.  If they get challenged like this in court, there's a lot of procedural stuff (e.g. asymmetrical gag order) that threatens all the foundations of the NCAA's bureaucracy, issues far bigger than the allegations against Harbaugh.

Usually, the NCAA is sanctioning activity that would be far worse for the school if it made it to an actual court.  (Think Ole Miss' head coach hiring prostitutes for underaged recruits, the criminal implications are grave.)  But in this case, Michigan and Harbaugh didn't break any laws at all, they have no fear of criminal prosecution.  They would happily walk into a courthouse and explain all the details to a judge.

JonnyHintz

August 13th, 2023 at 1:33 PM ^

Yes, a large part of the NCAA’s “power” is centered around the school’s simply accepting the ruling of the NCAA. 
 

The Penn State/Sandusky scandal was horrendous, don’t misunderstand me here. BUT, what jurisdiction does the NCAA actually have to impose sanctions on Penn State in that situation? To my understanding, and maybe I’m wrong, but no NCAA rules were broken there. It was a legal matter, and Penn State deserved harsh, harsh penalties for it. But I don’t know that the NCAA itself had any real power to do anything. Penn State simply accepted the penalties, but likely had a strong legal case if they had taken it to a court of law. 

JonnyHintz

August 14th, 2023 at 5:35 AM ^

I’m not arguing that they should have fought it. It certainly would have been a PR nightmare for them to do so. But the NCAA oversteps quite often and the schools either self-punish or accept the NCAA penalties when they’d have a strong case against the NCAA if they fought back. 

S.G. Rice

August 13th, 2023 at 11:50 AM ^

Did they stick another fork in the deal this morning?  

The NCAA was, is, and always will be a clown operation.  Maybe they're not quite as corrupt as FIFA or the IOC but they're easily dumber.

Goggles Paisano

August 13th, 2023 at 11:55 AM ^

I also interpreted Derrick to be a flaming asshole as well.  He must like the power this gives him to put Harbaugh "in his place" for the serious wrongdoing and huge competitive advantage Michigan gained for the alleged "more than cheeseburger" violations.