Rating M's recruiting by offers: Poggi #1. EDIT. Dawson checks in at 3
Many posters say they put more credence in offers to a recruit rather than Star Rankings. Using this criteria, the number one recruit in the 2013 class is Henry Poggi, followed closely by Logan Tuley-Tillman. Updated with David Dawson checking in at 3. Lack of a Rivals reported ND offer, keeps Dawson behind Poggi and LTT.
Some players such as Shane Morris and Jourdan Lewis suffer the consequences of committing early and not getting as many offers as they otherwise would.
Here is a list of my unassailable rankings based on offers per Rivals. Following the rankings will be a list of each recruit and his, IMO, top 5 offers. Feel free to click on each and every recruit and check out his complete offer list on your own.
If a player had less than 5 offers, I listed all offers. in the case of poor Scott Sypniewski, he had no offers other than M. Poor kid will have to get by with a Michigan education.
1 | Henry Poggi |
2 | Logan Tuley-Tillman |
3 | David Dawson |
4 | Kyle Bosch |
5 | Patrick Kugler |
6 | Dymonte Thomas |
7 | Mike McCray |
8 | Shane Morris |
9 | Maurice Hurst Jr. |
10 | Ben Gedeon |
11 | Taco Charlton |
12 | Chris Fox |
13 | Jake Butt |
14 | Ross Douglas |
15 | Deveon Smith |
16 | Wyatt Shallman |
17 | Delano Hill |
18 | Csont'e York |
19 | Jaron Dukes |
20 | Da'Mario Jones |
21 | Channing Stribling |
22 | Jourdan Lewis |
23 | Khalid Hill |
24 | Scott Sypniewski |
The Offer chart is now in numerical order; 1-24, allowing for easier comparison.
Player | Offers |
Henry Poggi | |
Alabama | |
USC | |
Ohio State | |
Notre Dame | |
Florida | |
Logan Tuley-Tillman | |
Alabama | |
USC | |
Ohio State | |
Notre Dame | |
Florida State | |
David Dawson | |
Alabama | |
USC | |
Ohio State | |
Florida | |
Florida State | |
Kyle Bosch | |
Alabama | |
Notre Dame | |
Stanford | |
Nebraska | |
Michigan State | |
Patrick Kugler | |
Notre Dame | |
Florida | |
Florida State | |
Stanford | |
Tennessee | |
Dymonte Thomas | |
Ohio State | |
Notre Dame | |
Tennessee | |
Michigan State | |
UCLA | |
Mike McCray | |
Ohio State | |
Oklahoma | |
South Carolina | |
Nebraska | |
Tennessee | |
Shane Morris | |
Alabama | |
Tennessee | |
Michigan State | |
Cincinnati | |
Syracuse | |
Maurice Hurst Jr. | |
Ohio State | |
Nebraska | |
Michigan State | |
North Carolina | |
Penn State | |
Ben Gedeon | |
Ohio State | |
Stanford | |
Michigan State | |
Penn State | |
Pitt | |
Taco Charlton | |
Notre Dame | |
Nebraska | |
Tennessee | |
UCLA | |
Pitt | |
Chris Fox | |
Ohio State | |
Tennessee | |
Iowa | |
Purdue | |
Colorado | |
Jake Butt | |
Stanford | |
Wisconsin | |
Tennessee | |
UCLA | |
Iowa | |
Ross Douglas | |
Nebraska | |
Wisconsin | |
Tennessee | |
Penn State | |
Pitt | |
Deveon Smith | |
Ohio State | |
West Virginia | |
Indiana | |
Bowling Green | |
Wyatt Shallman | |
Michigan State | |
Cincinnati | |
Syracuse | |
Delano Hill | |
Iowa | |
Illinois | |
Pitt | |
Csont'e York | |
Illinois | |
Cincinnati | |
Syracuse | |
Jaron Dukes | |
Illinois | |
Toledo | |
Da'Mario Jones | |
Toledo | |
Central Michigan | |
Bowling Green | |
Channing Stribling | |
Ball State | |
Charlotte | |
Howard | |
Hampton | |
Jourdan Lewis | |
Toledo | |
Khalid Hill | |
Central Michigan | |
Scott Sypniewski | |
None |
December 14th, 2012 at 9:03 PM ^
You put a lot of effort into this chart and I appreciate it. It just reiterates how great our line class is.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:04 PM ^
December 15th, 2012 at 8:00 AM ^
I noticed that as well. You don't see the currently elite programs like Bama, Oregon, etc. but Stanford, Wisco and Iowa immediately stuck out to me as teams who have had very good TE play recently and TE's are extensively used in their offenses so you know they are looking for guys they feel are true "impact" players at the position.
Looking at Poggi's offer list (I'm always a little skeptical of these lists, btw), I am surprised that he isn't getting more "love" from UM fans. That is a d@mn strong (apologies to Les Miles) offer list.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:07 PM ^
I'm glad the MAC is getting better, because we have their WRs.
EDIT: I re-read this and realized it's a dickish thing to say. BUT this is the interwebz so its kind of already out there....
December 15th, 2012 at 8:14 AM ^
I like our recruits, don't get me wrong, but we really do need to start reeling in some top skill guys.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:07 PM ^
Nice work.
It'd be interesting to see how some of these guys' offer sheets would have filled out had they stayed uncommitted longer. Jourdan Lewis, for instance, would have a helluva lot more offers than just Toledo if he were uncommitted right now. Same for Channing Stribling.
December 15th, 2012 at 12:46 AM ^
Yeah, this is a very cool post, but you really can't compare the offer lists of kids who commit at different times and live in different parts of the country. Obviously, like the OP says, kids like Jourdan Lewis and Shane Morris would have received many more elite offers if they had stayed uncommitted longer. On the other hand, a lot of pretty middling recruits get elite offers later on after programs miss on their top choices.
There's also a geographic component to this. Bryan Mone probably would have all kinds of offers from elite programs right now if he were playing football in Florida or Ohio. In a place like Utah, it's hard to get exposure (and get coaches to come to your games), and many will assume that you're unlikely to go so far from home for college.
Anyway, I like this post, but I think it's more interesting as a snapshot than informative as a cross-recruit comparison or ranking.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:32 AM ^
I agree with everything you said, although I don't think the 'pretty middling recruits' have started to get elite offers yet. That's more a January thing.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:33 PM ^
Thank you for taking the time to put this together, Gordie.
It really does put things in perspective when you can see, in no uncertain terms, that we've been winning recruiting battles with the likes of Alabama, Ohio State, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Stanford and others. It is a compliment to the current coaching staff on many levels.
December 14th, 2012 at 9:39 PM ^
December 14th, 2012 at 9:44 PM ^
Thanks. Interestingly, the school that seemed to show up on the offer list the most, even more than Stanford, was probably Tennessee. Might just be a one year anomaly but it was noticeable.
December 15th, 2012 at 5:14 AM ^
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December 14th, 2012 at 10:03 PM ^
December 14th, 2012 at 10:04 PM ^
A big tip of the hat, both for your idea and taking the time to execute it. Count me among those people who've often thought that offers were a better barometer than stars.
While we all know that certain schools have a good history at certain positions, I think it is fair to say that most of us have a school or two whose opinions we respect in general. I'm always happy (JMO) to snag anyone high on LSU's hit parade. And of course, Wisconsin and Penn State for linemen and the blue collar positions, USC for the skill positions.
Which programs out there are other posters impressed by ?
December 14th, 2012 at 10:27 PM ^
Not sure if Shane would be that low on your list if all of his offers were public. He's made the pretty believable statement I think that he has a lot more offers than are known but he doesn't think it's important to report them because they mean nothing to him. Not important, just a note.
December 14th, 2012 at 10:40 PM ^
Shane Morris has Alabama offer so thats like the Green Bay Packers asking him to take Rogers spot.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:50 AM ^
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December 15th, 2012 at 11:34 AM ^
Maybe I'm getting you wrong here, but if you think the talents of AJ McCarron and Aaron Rodgers are similar..
December 14th, 2012 at 10:41 PM ^
December 14th, 2012 at 10:51 PM ^
I don't follow recuriting so much that I recall all the schools that offer the guys we are high on. But, taking a quick look at some of those lists, and Tennessee showed up as offering a pretty good portion of our committs. Is that normal/surprising to anyone else? I'm surprised to see UT offering that many MI/OH/PA/ILL kids. There's probably a really simple reason like an assistant coach with B1G roots, but I just didn't realize an SEC school would be offering so many of the guys we are also going for in the B1G.
December 15th, 2012 at 8:40 AM ^
December 15th, 2012 at 12:28 AM ^
I could have sworn Sypniewski was offered by every D1 school in the land!! Wasn't he the #2 long snapper in the country? It's not everyday you get your hands on that kind of talent!
December 15th, 2012 at 1:11 AM ^
December 15th, 2012 at 2:32 AM ^
Good point about the early commits. Jourdan Lewis, for example. All sites list Michigan and Toledo as his only offers but I remember reading that Nick Saban told him he is one of the top ten players in the country or something. I think Lewis is also playing the Shane game by not reporting all the offers he gets.
December 15th, 2012 at 4:04 AM ^
December 15th, 2012 at 8:33 AM ^
Tennessee was likely getting shut out in the south so coming north to supplement their recruiting.....Auburn did last yr....ole miss has....
December 15th, 2012 at 11:37 AM ^
I don't think that's really true at all. Ole Miss has a lot of momentum in the south right now. If you look through Auburn's class last year, outside of Shane Callahan, Kozan, and Diamond, all of their elite players are coming from Florida-Georgia-Tennessee-Alabama. They just cast a wide net, and when you have momentum with your recruiting, that pays dividends.
December 15th, 2012 at 9:18 AM ^
Is it just me or does Tennessee offer half the country?
December 15th, 2012 at 10:47 AM ^
I'm surprised Hurst is ahead of guys like Gedeon, Charllton, Fox, and Butt. I thought he'd be a good player for us anyway, but I didn't realize he had OSU and Nebraska offers.
December 15th, 2012 at 11:38 AM ^
Probably has a lot to do with the time gap there. IIRC he got a lot of offers early, but the better ones like OSU and UM didn't come til May.
December 15th, 2012 at 1:19 PM ^
So Dawson has to be (at least) tied with Poggi for the top offer list right? He's got Bama, Florida, Notre Dame, USC, Ohio State, Florida State, LSU...
December 15th, 2012 at 5:12 PM ^
Updated to include Dawson and Hill
December 15th, 2012 at 5:50 PM ^
Bump this to Diaries... this is good stuff...