Projected Basketball depth chart. Trying to stay positive
1- Smith / Brooks 25/15
2- Brooks / Jackson 20/20
3- Wagner / Livers. 30/10
4- Livers / Johns. 20/20
5- Dickinson / Davis 25/15
8 deep without 4* Williams or 4* Bajema or Nunez who started a few games last year. Obviously alot rides on either Smith or Zeb being a playmaker, and Johns taking the next step. Still a good roster, Go BLUE!
Still a tournament team, just not a title contender. Have to wonder what additional roster changes could still occur. Will Howard fill those scholarship spots with other transfers or incoming freshmen? Will Livers or Wagner enter the draft? I don't think they will, but the worst seems possible right now.
I'm still in shock. How quick can you go from envisioning title runs to just being happy we make the tourney. Love our boys, but holy crap.
Stiffen that upper lip. Dong punches have been par for the course for Michigan sports since I was a freshman. You get over it much quicker every year removed from undergrad.
This is the point where Coach Beilein picked up Spike and MAAR. Let's see what rabbit Coach Howard can pull out of his hat.
Next year will be relatively fine, it's after that which is concerning. 1 point guard on the roster, 1 center, losing Livers and Wagner (if we don't lose them sooner), losing Brooks, Smith, and Davis
We need to take at least one more player in this class or get DDJ or Castleton back, the roster will be completely barren after next year
Well neither Christopher or Todd really changed that dynamic since they are both targeting being one year players
1- 2021 recruit / Zeb. 30/10
2- Zeb / Bajema. 25/15
3- Williams / Bajema. 25/15
4- Johns / Williams. 32/8
5- Dickinson / 2021 recruit 30/10
Obviously the 2021 recruiting class is going to be huge, especially at PG and C.
Remember Michigan has 3, 3* walk ons as well, and Nunez
My guess is Davis starts over Dickinson but it should be an open competition for that job, so we'll have to wait and see.
The little we've seen of Bajema tells me the talent is there. If he can bulk up a little bit during the quarantine, he could earn significant minutes next year.
Overall, we'll be fine. We'd be a lot more fine if DDJ and Castleton did not get scared away by two five stars pretending to come here, but whatever. If they were scared of the competition, maybe we didn't really need them anyway.
Castleton didn't transfer because of Todd, Todd wasn't playing center and Castleton can't guard the 4. He transferred because of Davis coming back after passing him last year. DDJ its tough to tell but he honestly hasn't been that good of a player despite seeming like a great guy and teammate
Maybe Davis starts early but my amateur eyes see Dickinson being a dominant college player. If he is not starting by the Big Ten season I don’t think this team hits the upside.
Still good, but the entire thing lifting us up all year was "who cares what happens -- we are going to dominate next year with a team of 5 stars / 4 stars." Need to pick it up on the court this year if we aren't truly going to get the caliber of players we thought we would be getting.
It will be a re-do of this season. It will be an ok roster and if Juwan can make a small run in the tounament maybe he can collect some high end talent in the 2021 class.
I think your roster above is fine, I think the problem is, it's an absolute best-case scenario. I'll be pleasantly shocked if we can get 25 mins & 20 mins out of Dickinson and Zeb.
Livers could still go pro, Wagner could still go as well.
This team still has a nice ceiling but with so many unknowns, the floor for this team could be.....yikes.
Unless Franz and Livers are getting told they'd have guaranteed contracts, I can't see either one leaving for the chance to make a roster in a league that isn't capable of guaranteeing them will be up and running.
No way Dickinson gets 25 minutes a game. 20 tops.
Still a tourney team. Still excited for the real beginning of Juwan’s thing (Dickinson might be a 1-2 year guy but the other 3 freshman are probably here 3+). Still time to get more players. Still a bummer today.
Do not be discouraged Juwan. Instead, tamper with the best guards in the country. Nobody is on campus it’s poachin’ time.
Eli average 32 MPG last season. So why does he drop to 25 after we lose Z and DDJ?
I have Brooks at 35 min
Yes you do. I downvoted myself. I think all this social distancing is rotting my brain. Yesterday I mixed up the Munich and Montreal Olympics. Today I can’t do simple arithmetic. I have become Idiocracy personified. Y’all can call me Frito Pendejo from now on.
P.S. I like money.
And don't forget, we've got a couple scholarships to use on...someone...somewhere.
It doesn't make any sense to speculate at this time. Who knows who will even be on the roster by the time the season starts? Who knows if there will even be a basketball season, college or pro? I wish I was kidding but nothing would surprise me at this point. We just lost 4 likely players in just a few days, our 2 highest profile recruits and 2 promising current players. And their delayed decisions likely cost us a couple other recruits.
I'm a big basketball fan but I am completely soured on the recruiting process and college basketball in general after the past several days.
A ton rides on Dickinson in the post. If he can’t defend we will be in trouble.
Don’t forget the ruling coming May 20th on immediate eligibility for transfers. That changes everything. Maybe in a good way, or bad. (Bajema/Johns/etc. willing to leave if they don’t have to sit. Or grabbing a stud guard from somewhere else).
If Johns isn't earning more than 20 minutes a game next year it will be a disappointment. He improved as a shooter, showed the ability to drive and was a strong weakside shotblocker. With added strength and improvement as a shooter it will be tough not to give him minutes as a small ball 5. This year it didn't work because he couldn't quite exploit slower but stronger bigs on hte offensive end; next year, if he improves he should be able to while learning enough tricks to mitigate damage on the other end when he faces the Kofi Cockburns of the world. I believe his arc will be similar to DJ Wilson's.
On top of all that, Johns right now looks like the only big with the mobility to defend pick and rolls and we will need that next year because teams will attack Dickinson (to say nothing of Davis) in pick and roll all day.
A breakout from Johns would go a long way to mitigating the loss of Todd.
I think/hope Bajema gets in there, particularly over Zeb at the 2. I don't see any way Zeb gets 20 minutes. Also, Johns is going to get more run at the 5, depending on the matchup. Davis and Dickinson simply won't cut it against certain opponents, particularly on the defensive end.
Once the NCAA announces that sit-out transfers won't have to actually "sit out" and will be eligible immediately, I think we'll see another wave of players hit the transfer portal.
I think the likelihood is high that we add at least 1 more player, possibly 2. I think ideally you add 1 grad transfer (Haarms) and 1 recruit or multi-year eligibility transfer (Carton?).
Start Bajema at the 2 and let Williams have minutes at the 3. Johns can have some minutes at the 5.
More than their importance for next year is for the 21 year where they will be needed as the upperclassmen for what appears to be a large class.
Bajema barely played all season. What makes you think he’s going to make a big jump to start? Dude is gonna be 8-10 in the rotation.
Freshman to sophomore typically has the biggest jump, especially when the main weakness of the player was strength. Look at guys like Caris LeVert, Darius Morris, etc who could barely get on the floor as freshman and morphed into big-tme players in one offseason. I'm not saying Bajema will definitely start, and it could be that there were more issues than strength, but it's not crazy to believe he'll take a big step.
If his shooting ability is real, he doesn't need to be that much better than below average defensively to get on the floor. My guess is because of his strength issues he was unplayable defensively, but I doubt that's the case again this year (of course if the shots don't fall it is what it is). One summer in Camp Sanderson should show us a different player and if strength was the issue, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect him to start.
Because there are no other 2 guards, and if you count Brooks, minutes are slim. Bajema needed to add some bulk and most likely will in the offseason. He showed flashes last year. I think he will play a lot of minutes even if he doesn't start.
I'm still incredibly excited about the Livers/Wagner/Johns combination. They are a versatile trio and will keep us competitive.
An obvious point: in the wake of the Christopher, Todd, DDJ, and Castleton announcements, losing Livers and Wagner would be.....bad. We would transition from an embarrassment of riches to a dangerously thin roster. My how things change in the course of a few days.
Losing Livers alone moves us to a lower tier Big Ten team. Losing Livers and Wagner would make us last place contenders. We don’t have a luxury of depth anymore as you say.
1-Brooks/Smith
2-Brooks/Wagner
3-Wagner/Livers
4-Livers/Johns/Williams
5-Davis/Johns/Dickinson
Total mpg by player (assumes 100% healthy and 12 scholarships):
Livers 34, Wagner 31, Brooks 29, Johns 28,Smith 25, Davis 23, Williams 7, Dickinson 7, Jackson 4, Nunez 4, Bajema 4, Howard 4
This is basically a 6 player rotation with spot time/situational time for the remaining 6 players. Nunez, Williams, Dickinson, Bajema, Jackson, Howard could all be +/- 10 mpg from what's above, but the gains would come from this pool of players as opposed to the top 6. I see them as being in a pool of 30 mpg that could be divided differently as players step up or show themselves to need more development. I could also see the allotment among these players shifting as the season goes on.
The big wildcards are Bajema and Smith. Bajema's performance to date indicates 4 mpg is a reasonable expectation. His recruiting profile suggests a jump is possible. By his past performance, Smith looks capable of being a 25 mpg contributor. Looks could be deceiving based upon his competition level. These are the two players that could really scramble what's above. Smith is the only of the 6 "starters" I could see getting dramatically less minutes and Bajema is the only of the 6 "reserves" that I could see breaking through and making it a 7 man rotation.
Without looking at the schedule, I think this team wins 18-20 games, finishes mid-pack in the B1G, has a couple of nice high quality wins, has a stretch where they struggle, makes the Tourney as a 10 seed. Sound familiar?
I can guarantee you that Nunez, Bajema, and Dickinson get more than 15 combined minutes
Zavier’s contributions will be sorely missed - there is no one on the roster to break down a defense - I see 16 or 17 wins (hope I’m wrong).
If we are sure Wagner is gone after next season we have 7 scholarships open the following year. If we were to lose a couple more players to transfer or Johns going full DJ wilson that number could be 9. Good god man. How do you recruit 9 spots?
Even as it stands now itll be more like recruit 5 players and get 2 transfers. If it goes up to 9, add one new player and one more transfer.
Do you think the DeJulius ship has really sailed? Didn’t Sparty have someone test the transfer portal and come back last year??
FWIW, Christopher and Todd weren't going to be here past next year either so nothing has changed on that front.
It's not 9 spots. It will likely be 7. We have 2 open spots now. Then we lose Livers, Davis, Brooks, Smith, and likely Franz
April 14th, 2020 at 10:43 PM ^
So next year will be the year nobody unexpected leaves. Gotcha.
Early playing time would be a selling point...
Damn. We need another guard for sure.
Bajema will get some run this year. It may be as few as 5 or as great as 15 minutes. Great shooter and should be much more ready for the other parts of the game.
I also think Johns gets some time at the 5 with Hunter getting more like 20 minutes.
I think Zeb, Bajema, and Terrence Williams will get about 10 minutes a game each as backups and steal minutes from each other situationally.
On nights when teams are pressuring our ballhandlers and/or we need some more perimeter creation, I'd expect Zeb's minutes to steal more minutes at the 2. If Franz is in foul trouble and we need shooters, I'd expect Bajema to get some more minutes. And if the other team has a player or two that is causing a lot of problems, I'd expect Williams to get minutes as a defensive specialist (I do not think Michigan will be a good defensive team next year).
So I think those three guys will form a role player by committee that fluctuates by opponent rather than a true pecking order between them.
Michigan lost a lot of talent today. But all that changes is that Livers, Franz, and Johns have to really step up and carry the load now. Todd would have split time with Livers and Johns and Christopher would have taken scoring load off all 3. Now they just need to have great seasons and all play 30+ minutes. Secondly Bajema needs to have a breakout season. With the new roster, Bajema and Nunez will get minutes. If they arent shooting well then those other 3 will have to be lights out every night.
If Livers and Franz have NBA late 1st rd type seasons this can still be a team that is in the top 4 of the B1G and a top 4 seed in the tournament.
The DJ Carton possibility Brian brought up is really intriguing. Thats a home run transfer pick up. Immediate plug in and start at PG. And I think he could get a waiver because the OSU LB Blue got a mental health waiver over last off season.
PG - Smith/Brooks/Jackson/Wade
SG - Brooks/Nunez/Bajema
SF - Franz/Livers/Bajema
PF - Livers/Johns/Williams
C - Dickinson/Davis/Johns
We can still be a solid B1G team, we just need some people to step up. We might need more scoring from Mike Smith than once thought. We need Bajema to have taken step forward defensively. Nunez needs to actually become a somewhat decent shooter. Franz and Livers are going to have to take a lot of shots. Johns is going to play an important role as the 6th man who plays both front court spots. Zeb Jackson and Terrance Williams will both likely need to play some minutes. Brandon Wade may need to see minutes at PG
Beilein was missed this past year —- my feeling is Zavier will be missed this upcoming year.
Start your best 5....Livers, Wagner, Brooks, Johns will see heavy minutes......Dickinson, Davis, Smith will see quality minutes.....Bajema, Nunez will see spot minutes....Williams, Jackson, Howard, everyone else will barely see time.....my guess is it will be a 7-man rotation and an 8th based on foul trouble or someone who can play defense.
April 15th, 2020 at 10:14 AM ^
Well now that Christopher is out, I hope this opens a door for Bajema. He doesn't look like much (with all due respect Cole) but the kid can play. And has a fantastic stroke. I watched a lot of his high school tape and Cole has skills, man. Seems like a gamer, too.