Patterson #3 in Big 10 in QBR
Behind Haskins (OSU) and Stanley (Iowa). He's #19 overall.
http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/5
Another interesting thing to note...McSorley is #5 in the Big 10 (#37 overall), and that's only because of his running (which is far beyond any other QBs in the Big 10). His passing does not grade well at all within this system.
October 7th, 2018 at 11:38 AM ^
Wait but what about Heisman Hopeful Lewerke?
October 7th, 2018 at 11:40 AM ^
That was some Heisman-level choking. We'll be seeing him choke like that on Sundays.
October 7th, 2018 at 8:18 PM ^
Choking on Sundays? Maybe on a hotdog in the stands.
October 7th, 2018 at 11:41 AM ^
MSU has more losses coming including on Oct 20th. Any recruits they have committed we could go after taking advantage of their incoming 3-9 season?
October 7th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
Probably not, although it does make you wonder if guys like Dobbs and Barnett look at the rest of their class and think "holy crap, I'm about to join a whole bunch of MAC level recruits at MSU. Maybe I should rethink my life decisions."
I swear, I don't understand what Mork says to these guys.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:01 PM ^
Mork: So you guys like racists or what?
October 7th, 2018 at 12:07 PM ^
I would also imagine he could sell them on the lax enforcement of academic standards. And, um, other laws as well which current public events would indicate I should not be joking about.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^
It's crazy too because Reschke has barely played this year. I think it's mostly been on mop-up duty and special teams. So 5 games into a year that he decided to let a guy who said multiple racist things toward another former player, he's got 2 losses and 4 tackles on his resume.
Why anyone would want to play for Datonio if they had better options is beyond me.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:18 PM ^
Not so fast my friend! I am pretty sure Reshke started this week. (Not that it helped much..)
October 7th, 2018 at 1:28 PM ^
I think he is a starter now. It probably was Mork's plan the whole way.
October 7th, 2018 at 3:03 PM ^
I didn't see that; I guess his numbers weren't updated on football reference when I checked. Last I saw he played a couple of downs against CMU. It is a bit jarring that as starting LB would have 3 tackles in a game.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:08 PM ^
Slow down the tough talk until we beat them. Crazy concept I know, but I’ve seen this movie before.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:14 PM ^
What he said has nothing to do with who wins our game. He’s talking about ethics and why people would want to play for a program with those priorities.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:31 PM ^
Not to mention what a fan says has never in the life of sports effected the outcome of any game. People forget, their fans say the same shit out fans say. One side will win and the other side will lose based on the play on the field.
October 7th, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^
Yet, it may affect the outcome....
October 7th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^
A million likes.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^
While that's technically true, and nothing would surprise me, most of MSU's wins over us in the MD era could be seen coming once the season started. I don't remember many games against them where we all went into it feeling like we were the clear cut favorites.
October 7th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^
Here comes the annual overconfidence about the MSU game. Oh boy......
MSU is virtually out of the Big Ten race, and the playoffs aren't happening. They definitely have at least one more loss heading their way when OSU comes to play them, but I still say our game with them is a coin flip. Forget how they played yesterday. They're going to be a totally different team on October 20th.
That game is now a "save our season" game for MSU. Michigan had better be ready to match their intensity, because for all the reasons we could win, there's probably just as many reasons as to why we could lose it.
October 7th, 2018 at 11:49 AM ^
Comes up at a cool #9 in the conference
October 7th, 2018 at 3:35 PM ^
Lewerke has yet to play a good defense and still he ranked towards the bottom of the Big Ten.
October 7th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^
Passer Rating is a much better metric than QBR.
Shea is second in rating to Haskins, whose passer rating is fully insane. 30 point gap between he and Shea, who has a spectacular passer rating himself.
October 7th, 2018 at 11:50 AM ^
What’s your rationale for stating that passer rating is superior to QBR? Aside from the fact that our guy does better in it, of course ;)
October 7th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^
It’s more objective - you know exactly how to calculate it and it has fewer inputs. It measures very explicit things. QBR is a shady metric invented by ESPN that seemingly measures a wild range of things that mostly requires one to trust that ESPN is calculating properly and that ESPN has made excellent judgment re: what is most indicative of qb performance. I’ve never liked QBR and it sometimes gives outputs for individual games that are obviously divergent from how any decent scout would deem a QB’s play in that game.
October 7th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^
o.k., just a guess, but does the Michigan passing offense ask Patterson to make more difficult throws than Haskings, on average?
No doubt that Haskins is accurate, has good vision, etc.
Anecdotally, however, it seems OSU's offense has more short dink and dunk passing (sometimes with pre-snap read selecting the receiver target for a quick toss) than does Michigan's offense.
Have not see more than parts of OSU's games, so I could be wrong...
October 7th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^
What little I've seen of OSU it looks like Haskins is mostly a one read QB. No doubt an accurate one, but having watched the highlights of both the PSU and IU games, only once did I see Haskins go to a second read. Moreover, Haskins hasn't been asked to perform against a pass rush anything like Michigan will provide. He's an accurate one read statuesque passer.
October 7th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^
Somehow, PSU got after him pretty good - and it showed in his ratings. Haskins' stats go WAY down when he gets a rush in his face. I mean, every QB's stats and accuracy will drop with a guy in his face, but his fell off the cliff. Getting a good rush on him is imperative because it stops OSU's offense; where getting a good rush on Patterson invites some other bad things for the defense.
October 7th, 2018 at 4:07 PM ^
Haskins hasn't been asked to perform against a pass rush anything like Michigan will provide? Really??
Didn't he lead the Buckeyes to victory during the 2nd half of the The Game at the Big House last year, going 6/7 for 94 yards and a 198.5 rating? Or did you not catch that game?
October 7th, 2018 at 8:42 PM ^
The kid is talented. He was an unknown quantity at that time.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:09 PM ^
Christ. How does Dwayne Haskins have 25 TD passes already? That's insane for 6 games into the season even for an athletic Urban Meyer offense. And he could have as many as 9 more games to play yet this season.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:13 PM ^
Throw 6 TDs a game and that kind of shit happens. He's also helped out by the fact that his WRs get a lot of YAC TDs as well.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:16 PM ^
Passing spread offense.
See also: good passing spread offense coupled with surprisingly not great defense, meaning they need more TDs than you’d think they’d need.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
And their running game hasn't exactly been great so they've needed to pass more.
October 7th, 2018 at 1:56 PM ^
They also throw more than a typical Meyer team as Haskins is not a rushing threat.
October 7th, 2018 at 2:19 PM ^
Nobody they've played could tackle their receivers. Tons and tons of YAC on short routes and screen passes.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^
If you include back-ups (the "unqualified" filter), McCaffrey is #8 in the B1G, still ahead of Hornibrook, Thorson, and Lewerke. Obviously in limited time against backups, etc. Sadly, among all the B1G QBs, OSU has 1-2 in Haskins and Martell.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:22 PM ^
Another thing I learned from looking at all QBs - Indiana has a guy named Michael Penix Jr. Seriously
October 7th, 2018 at 1:00 PM ^
Is he related to the Texas K Cameron Dicker?
Maybe 2nd cousins?
October 7th, 2018 at 1:46 PM ^
IU alum here. We don't put the Penix in often enough. Word is he's outstanding at the deep ball.
October 8th, 2018 at 7:37 AM ^
But I heard when he’s under a lot of preasure, he really stiffens up.
October 7th, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^
Haskins is a good QB, but I think his numbers are inflated by great YAC... Unless I'm wrong and the stats already do that...?
October 7th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^
But good YAC requires QB accuracy—not just getting them the ball but putting it in front of the WR for them to keep momentum. Yes, they’ve scored on some long screens, too, but I watch OSU games because of the wife. Haskins with time has a great intermediate to deep game. And, their RBs are still the best in BIG, but they have Haskins.
Heres what I want from fans: respect the opponents’ skills. You want Michigan to regain their glory days, you need to u derstand how good the players are we are up against.
One of biggest things the team needs to do, too, is what Shea said: each game needs to be taken as preparation for OSU.
October 7th, 2018 at 6:58 PM ^
Not really. Great YAC requires your team to recruit really fast and athletic receivers and have Oregon State, Tulane, and Rutgers on your schedule...
October 7th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^
How about Grant Perry?
October 7th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^
I legitimately felt my eyebrows raise when I saw who was #2. Would not have expected Stanley to be ranked above Patterson & McSorley. Was genuinely surprised.
I suppose it's because Iowa has been off my radar because they are not on OSU's schedule this year, and I have no recollection that the two teams played last year. ;-)
October 7th, 2018 at 6:30 PM ^
He’s not #2. He’s #5 in passer rating. This metric is insanely off. Shea has better passing numbers in every category.
October 7th, 2018 at 6:29 PM ^
Shea is 95/138 (68.8%) for 1,187 yards 10 TDs and 3 picks. 8.6 yards per attempt.
Stanley is 87/141 (61.7%) for 1,153 yards 9 TDs and 4 picks. 8.2 yards per attempt.
Im not sure what your source is here, but the math doesn’t add up at all. Shea is outperforming Stanley in every category. There’s no way Stanley has a better QBR
I mean obviously I see your source, I just think it’s a crock of shit. Stanley is 5th in the conference in passer rating. Shea is 2nd.
October 8th, 2018 at 1:31 AM ^
Yes, and if ESPN wanted to use Passer Rating, they would have used Passer Rating. They went to some amount of effort to come up with a more sophisticated measure that takes into account a number of factors that aren't accounted for in Passer Rating, and yet your criticism is that their measure doesn't give the same results as Passer Rating.
If you want to read about how QBR is calculated and what factors it takes into account that Passer Rating doesn't, you can do so here. The TLDR is: it adjusts for quality of opposing defenses, the down/distance of the play (a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 4 is better than a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 10), game context (an 80 yard touchdown is less impressive in the 3rd quarter leading by 28 than it is in the 4th quarter trailing by 7), etc.
I don't have an opinion about how good of a job QBR does at what it set out to do, but criticizing it because it doesn't give the same results as Passer Rating is lazy and not useful.
October 8th, 2018 at 6:25 AM ^
Like I said, Shea has better numbers across the board. In every aspect.
A look at passer rating has Shea #2 in the B1G and Stanley is #5. There’s no realistic measure that would have Stanley ahead of Shea.
October 8th, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^
Whatever. Shea is the best QB so far. This is not a homer take. Haskins throws 5 yards screen pass and Paris Campbell takes it to the house. Yea, great NFL level throw there buddy.
Show me PA pass with your back turned and sitting in pocket for 5 seconds and a nice curl 50 yards down the field in coverage. Haskins is ok and in and OSU system a failed NFL QB.
October 8th, 2018 at 3:11 PM ^
Care to make it interesting? Say, $100 from the loser to the charity of the winner's choice on which QB goes higher in the NFL draft?