Patterson #3 in Big 10 in QBR

Submitted by Eye of the Tiger on October 7th, 2018 at 11:35 AM

Behind Haskins (OSU) and Stanley (Iowa). He's #19 overall. 

http://www.espn.com/ncf/qbr/_/group/5

Another interesting thing to note...McSorley is #5 in the Big 10 (#37 overall), and that's only because of his running (which is far beyond any other QBs in the Big 10). His passing does not grade well at all within this system. 

bronxblue

October 7th, 2018 at 12:10 PM ^

It's crazy too because Reschke has barely played this year.  I think it's mostly been on mop-up duty and special teams.  So 5 games into a year that he decided to let a guy who said multiple racist things toward another former player, he's got 2 losses and 4 tackles on his resume.  

Why anyone would want to play for Datonio if they had better options is beyond me.

Perkis-Size Me

October 7th, 2018 at 3:13 PM ^

Here comes the annual overconfidence about the MSU game. Oh boy......

MSU is virtually out of the Big Ten race, and the playoffs aren't happening. They definitely have at least one more loss heading their way when OSU comes to play them, but I still say our game with them is a coin flip. Forget how they played yesterday. They're going to be a totally different team on October 20th. 

That game is now a "save our season" game for MSU. Michigan had better be ready to match their intensity, because for all the reasons we could win, there's probably just as many reasons as to why we could lose it. 

DrMantisToboggan

October 7th, 2018 at 11:43 AM ^

Passer Rating is a much better metric than QBR.

Shea is second in rating to Haskins, whose passer rating is fully insane. 30 point gap between he and Shea, who has a spectacular passer rating himself.

DrMantisToboggan

October 7th, 2018 at 12:17 PM ^

It’s more objective - you know exactly how to calculate it and it has fewer inputs. It measures very explicit things. QBR is a shady metric invented by ESPN that seemingly measures a wild range of things that mostly requires one to trust that ESPN is calculating properly and that ESPN has made excellent judgment re: what is most indicative of qb performance. I’ve never liked QBR and it sometimes gives outputs for individual games that are obviously divergent from how any decent scout would deem a QB’s play in that game.

Ghost of Fritz…

October 7th, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^

o.k., just a guess, but does the Michigan passing offense ask Patterson to make more difficult throws than Haskings, on average?

No doubt that Haskins is accurate, has good vision, etc. 

Anecdotally, however, it seems OSU's offense has more short dink and dunk passing (sometimes with pre-snap read selecting the receiver target for a quick toss) than does Michigan's offense.

Have not see more than parts of OSU's games, so I could be wrong...

Hail Harbo

October 7th, 2018 at 2:54 PM ^

What little I've seen of OSU it looks like Haskins is mostly a one read QB.  No doubt an accurate one, but having watched the highlights of both the PSU and IU games, only once did I see Haskins go to a second read.  Moreover, Haskins hasn't been asked to perform against a pass rush anything like Michigan will provide.  He's an accurate one read statuesque passer. 

1VaBlue1

October 7th, 2018 at 3:01 PM ^

Somehow, PSU got after him pretty good - and it showed in his ratings.  Haskins' stats go WAY down when he gets a rush in his face.  I mean, every QB's stats and accuracy will drop with a guy in his face, but his fell off the cliff.  Getting a good rush on him is imperative because it stops OSU's offense; where getting a good rush on Patterson invites some other bad things for the defense.

Fieldy'sNuts

October 7th, 2018 at 12:09 PM ^

Christ. How does Dwayne Haskins have 25 TD passes already? That's insane for 6 games into the season even for an athletic Urban Meyer offense. And he could have as many as 9 more games to play yet this season. 

Sambojangles

October 7th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^

If you include back-ups (the "unqualified" filter), McCaffrey is #8 in the B1G, still ahead of Hornibrook, Thorson, and Lewerke. Obviously in limited time against backups, etc. Sadly, among all the B1G QBs, OSU has 1-2 in Haskins and Martell. 

BroadneckBlue21

October 7th, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^

But good YAC requires QB accuracy—not just getting them the ball but putting it in front of the  WR for them to keep momentum. Yes, they’ve scored on some long screens, too, but I watch OSU games because of the wife. Haskins with time has a great intermediate to deep game. And, their RBs are still the best in BIG, but they have Haskins. 

Heres what I want from fans: respect the opponents’ skills. You want Michigan to regain their glory days, you need to u derstand how good the players are we are up against. 

One of biggest things the team needs to do, too, is what Shea said: each game needs to be taken as preparation for OSU. 

BuckeyeChuck

October 7th, 2018 at 4:27 PM ^

I legitimately felt my eyebrows raise when I saw who was #2. Would not have expected Stanley to be ranked above Patterson & McSorley. Was genuinely surprised.

I suppose it's because Iowa has been off my radar because they are not on OSU's schedule this year, and I have no recollection that the two teams played last year.  ;-)

JonnyHintz

October 7th, 2018 at 6:29 PM ^

Shea is 95/138 (68.8%) for 1,187 yards 10 TDs and 3 picks. 8.6 yards per attempt.

Stanley is 87/141 (61.7%) for 1,153 yards  9 TDs and 4 picks. 8.2 yards per attempt. 

Im not sure what your source is here, but the math doesn’t add up at all. Shea is outperforming Stanley in every category. There’s no way Stanley has a better QBR

I mean obviously I see your source, I just think it’s a crock of shit. Stanley is 5th in the conference in passer rating. Shea is 2nd.

andrewgr

October 8th, 2018 at 1:31 AM ^

Yes, and if ESPN wanted to use Passer Rating, they would have used Passer Rating.  They went to some amount of effort to come up with a more sophisticated measure that takes into account a number of factors that aren't accounted for in Passer Rating, and yet your criticism is that their measure doesn't give the same results as Passer Rating.  

If you want to read about how QBR is calculated and what factors it takes into account that Passer Rating doesn't, you can do so here.  The TLDR is: it adjusts for quality of opposing defenses, the down/distance of the play (a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 4 is better than a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 10), game context (an 80 yard touchdown is less impressive in the 3rd quarter leading by 28 than it is in the 4th quarter trailing by 7), etc.

I don't have an opinion about how good of a job QBR does at what it set out to do, but criticizing it because it doesn't give the same results as Passer Rating is lazy and not useful.

Mgoczar

October 8th, 2018 at 1:19 PM ^

Whatever. Shea is the best QB so far. This is not a homer take. Haskins throws 5 yards screen pass and Paris Campbell takes it to the house. Yea, great NFL level throw there buddy. 

Show me PA pass with your back turned and sitting in pocket for 5 seconds and a nice curl 50 yards down the field in coverage. Haskins is ok and in and OSU system a failed NFL QB.