Randy Marsh

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:37 AM ^

Yes, he is a 2 star with a not so impressive offer sheet. But let's keep the "LOL nice pick up URbz!" to a minimum please? They got him the same way we got Channing Stribling.

evenyoubrutus

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:53 AM ^

The same way we got Channing Stribling? You mean taking a a guy at a position which we already had a lot of highly rated commitments both that season and the season before? Thanks for the 11warriors logic.

Quail2theVict0r

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:16 PM ^

I don't mean to get technical here, well...maybe I do, but Channing Stribling was a three star on both scout and rivals. His offer list was unimpressive but I'm not sure the situations are the same at all. The only thing that is similar is that they both got offers after camp performances, which can probably be said of a lot of kids no matter where they are ranked.

Randy Marsh

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:21 PM ^

Stribling may have ended up a 3 star, but I'm pretty sure when he was offered/committed he was a 2 star.

Anyway, what I said was we got him the same way. Which we did. I didn't say anything about who we already had in the current class and previous class.

Coaches saw him at camp, liked what they saw, and offered. Same as Collier.

markinmsp

June 23rd, 2013 at 3:24 PM ^

 Disagree. Could they both be lesser known players that develop, possibly, but there the similarity ends. I have been following their QB search quite closely. They got him as the 6th or 7th option after several others had turned them down for or favored other schools (Watson, Heard, Allen, Harris, Kizer, Darlington, Peavey). His offer didn’t even exist until the last two made their decisions. Stribling was offered long before we got bypassed by other DBs last year.  Also, as I remember, a vocal group of us were worried that he’d use a spot a higher rated DB would need.

Shakey Jake

June 23rd, 2013 at 1:14 PM ^

There weren't a bunch of higher level players that passed up the Michigan offer as what seems the case with the other QB prospects Coach UM offered. I am not dissing the kid as he obviously is a talented kid but OSU fans are spinning this so much they are getting dizzy. The real story here is that many top flight QBs are not interested in playing at OSU and OSU fans know this but won't dare talk about it. The only thing saving OSU right now is the fact the school has easy cup cake schedules.

Perkis-Size Me

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^

Well if they offered him, they must see something in him that a lot of other schools don't. Somewhat like Channing Stribling with us. Maybe he's just got a ridiculous upside but needs a lot of fine-tuning.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

Farstate

June 23rd, 2013 at 6:18 PM ^

Good recruiters at good programs have to settle for lesser players all of the time. Actually, it happens to everyone every year. Saying someone is a good recruiter so he wouldn't settle for someone, regardless of the time of year, ignores reality. QB's have been flying off the board for a while this year and at some point everyone needs a body on the roster.

The guy could contribute and he could be good. Let's not pretend there isn't a hint of desperation though.

turd ferguson

June 23rd, 2013 at 2:55 PM ^

Sorry.  I should have said more in the original post.

To start, my memory of the Stribling offer is that a lot of people were upset because it seemed like we had a good shot with a lot of other elite prospects (even if a couple of kids, like a Kendall Fuller, might have been gone).  The worry was that he would take one of their spots.  That's not the situation with this Collier kid.  If he had been offered four months ago, I think you would have heard that reaction from OSU fans, but it's pretty clear at this point that their top options are off the table.

Also, I think there are important differences between CB and QB.  You can miss at CB without terrible consequences, since you take a lot of them and guys can move from other positions to CB (safety, WR, etc.).  Plus, CBs aren't as carefully scouted as QBs, so it's more likely that a good one (or 50) slips through the cracks.  On top of that, QB is an extremely important position, and since you typically only take one per year, a couple of misses there can hurt badly.  It's a dangerous position to take a lot of risks in recruiting.

Just my thoughts.  Oh, and OSU sucks.

Philbert

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:44 AM ^

Not gonna lie, when I heard this yesterday I went over to 11w to check out there reaction and started doing my research. Kid seems pretty good. Not sure if he would ever beat out the kid from Texas in the 2013 class but he will probably be a bellomy like stop gap between 2 highly touted kids. Chances are OSU will probably land a highly rated kid next year. I imagine this kid doesn't mind going to Ohio state to play school.

WolvinLA2

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:45 AM ^

This kid actually looks like a good fit for Meyer's offense. He had 33 TDs for a very good football team between passing and rushing, and he's 6'4". I wouldn't hate on this pickup at all.

wresler120

June 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 AM ^

Everyone wants to complian when their school lands a 2 star or below and laugh at other schools when they do the same. Look at this kids film and size ... he's a good fit for Meyer's system. Also, don't forget that Hoke just offered Brandon Watson and Freddy Canteen who had very impressive showings at the Michigan camp, despite their lackluster ranking.

Also, how many people are laughing at us now for taking guys like Jake Ryan, Ben Braden, Demond Morgan, and Thomas Gordon? These were all 3 star recruits ranked in the 30-50th for their position. And, it's almost a certainty that Collier gets bumped to a 3 * based on his OSU commitment alone, not to mention his film.

elaydin

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:05 PM ^

Fans should have absolutely no problem with kids that get offered at camps.  I know sometimes it drives the star gazers crazy, but these are the kids that the coaches have had a chance to work with personally over the course of a couple days.  That seems to me to be a lot more reliable than just watching someone's tape from 8 months ago.

M-Dog

June 23rd, 2013 at 3:03 PM ^

Lloyd's best classes came mostly from camp offers.  That's how they did it back in the day before mega-recrutiing services and Junior-year comitts.  They held camps, observed who looked good, and gave them offers.  It worked pretty well.  It still works today although some kids will be off the board by the time you have the camp.

 

Mlaw2010

June 23rd, 2013 at 6:09 PM ^

I agree. I'm all for camp offers. How'd WR, Collier was offered well after camp and only after Darlington (Neb) and Peavey (Arkansas) both told Urban "No thanks." Maybe the kid can play, but I'm not sure he was in Urban's top 5 choices for the class. That being said, maybe he develops into a contributor...time will tell.

MGJS SuperKick Party

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:11 PM ^

Recruiting ratings are such a crap shoot. I love the fact that we are cleaning up on the rankings, and I think it gives you a better idea of talent levels. I think the biggest thing for people is a passion for the university and team that they are playing for. I will take a 2 star with slightly less physical abilities that loves my university over a 5 star player who doesnt care that much about the school and is just looking for a paycheck. He has good measurables and I'm not familiar with Georgia high schools, but maybe the competition is lacking, or he comes from a small school.

MichiganMan_24_

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:15 PM ^

Stribling plays CB..Collier is a QB and a QB touches the ball every play so that alone makes it hard to compare..Both need redshirts and time to develope..I think UM and OSU would be happy to get 2 starting seasons out of the two guys..and that is basically what these type of recruits are..Luckily i think both programs are in position to be able to let these kids grow into players...Both schools are going to have talent period

Jkidd49

June 23rd, 2013 at 12:29 PM ^

either you generally except that rating system are sound and a good reflection of talent or you dismiss them as nothing more than a guess but you can't have it both ways.

M-Dog

June 23rd, 2013 at 3:07 PM ^

Yes, it's just like the odds on Vegas slot machines.  If you play 1,000 times, you will lose money.  But you can win on any individual play.

In general 4 and 5 stars correlate with team success.  But any individual recruit may turn out differently.

alum96

June 23rd, 2013 at 6:16 PM ^

Actually I have read a lot of pieces that show 5 stars generally don't flame out.  They usually become at least average college level football players.  Yes there are exceptions but their window of probabilities is less than 2-4 stars. But there are generally only 30-40 of them a year so it is a small sample size.  The 5 doesnt mean they will be a star but generally sets a decent floor MOST of the time.  

As for 4s, 3s, and 2s, frankly throw then all in a pot and let them wash out - you just never know.  The floors AND ceilings are immense for this group.  The #1 NFL pick 2 months ago was a 2 star and of course we all have tons of anecdotal evidence to this.  So to your larger point I agree - too much star gazing, either you have a good evalutator of talent in your coaching staff or you don't.

Of course just loading up solely on 5s, and or getting the #1 and #2 players in the country in a class - which no one ever does or ever has a chance to (errrr...) increases your probability of landing talent across the board.  Again something like landing the #1, #2 and potentially 3 of the top 5 in the country is not something any coaching staff could do, I am just speaking in a theoretical sense.

M-Dog

June 23rd, 2013 at 2:51 PM ^

Plan D or E.  They had their sites on other guys like Barker, Kizer, Darlington, Harris.  Had they been able to get any one of them to commit then no Collier offer.

But it's not like the recruiting services somehow get to put a hard lid on talent during a kid's junior year.  Other guys turn up, or guys that were meh blow up.

When you are Ohio State or Michigan your Plan D or E guys can still be very good.

 

elaydin

June 23rd, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^

OSU didn't offer Kizer and Darlington didn't want to camp.  They offered Collier while Harris was still available, so it seems natural to assume they either liked Collier better or they'll take two QBs.  

Either way, getting an Elite 11 finalist as your plan C or D isn't a bad way to go.

y2mh

June 23rd, 2013 at 4:07 PM ^

 Not sure what Darlington not wanting to camp has to do with it as they already had extended him an offer and he just decided Neb was better for him. Didn’t offer Kizer because they were still after available Harris, Ulmer, Darlington, Allen, and Peavey. Kizer decided not to wait on them and took the ND offer he had on the table. And with Harris they are not close to being a leading contender so they see they have a strong possibility of being a “bridesmaid” again.