April 16th, 2024 at 12:40 PM ^
How many glasses of milk to go with the 50 burgers?
P.S. Make them cheeseburgers.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:35 PM ^
Giving coaches a show-cause for merely interacting with recruits during a dead period seems rather heavy handed. Coaches elsewhere have done worse than that over the years without receiving show-cause.
That said - wouldn't it be something if Michigan hires Jim back, after he finishes with the Chargers, in some kind of role (hopefully not HC since that would likely mean Moore had a problem)?
And let’s remember that Ohio State self-reported a couple of similar violations during the same period. But they’re squeaky clean. 🙄
Bill Self is still coaching.
While we’re at it, Rick Pitino is still coaching.
And, of course, Urban Meyer and Gene Smith were allowed to continue working in the NCAA after they covered up domestic violence allegations.
Pitino did get a show cause at least... for offenses that were orders of magnitude worse, of course.
This does feel heavy handed. But at the same time, what did they really do? Give a probation and a show cause to coaches who weren’t gonna coach in college anyway?
To me, this reeks of bumbling administrators taking actions to justify their salary.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:36 PM ^
a true "Nothing Burger"...guess that's what I'm having for lunch.
OMG! Coaches talked to a few recruits during Covid. What a horrible crime!!
Yet, the FBI investigates and finds all sorts of issues with paying players pre-NIL, and nothing from the NCAA. Why do we continue to support this organization and why does Michigan keep falling on its sword?
North Carolina had an entire fake major set up.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:37 PM ^
Lol... can't believe there are any sanctions at all for this crap. This is the kind of shit OSU self-reports on the regular. If Harbaugh had done the same, this would have been dead years ago. Love the guy, but wish he would play "the game" a little better at times.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:48 PM ^
Imagine you're driving down the road in the right lane going 65.5 MPH and get pulled over for going .5 over the speed limit. And the entire time the cop is going through the "I need to see your drivers license, proof of insurance, etc" cars are flying by going 95 or more. I'm guessing your reaction would be "are you fucking kidding me? Look around, why are you pulling me over for going .5 over the limit while cars are going 30, 40 over?????"
I'm guessing Jim's reaction to the cheeseburger violations would mirror yours in that situation.
ehh... I don't buy that analogy. I'm not sure what Harbaugh did to warrant the "uncooperative" tag, but I doubt it was as harmless as voicing displeasure at the investigation.
I think a better analogy would be that he flipped the cop off then pulled out with screeching tires as the cop was writing the ticket.
The problem is the lens that people are looking at Harbaugh through. It’s really simple: he doesn’t think he did what they accused him of and so he’s not going to admit to it just to make it go away. Some people are that rigid on truth, yes.
If the NCAA pulled me over for going .5 over, I'd do the same thing, except Id stay there for a few minutes to allow them to inhale all the smoke.
I think maybe a better analogy would be that he got pulled over doing six over on the highway, and then pulled the "Sovereign Citizen" routine on the cop.
Didn't Harbaugh say he didn't remember?
Unless what I recollect is incorrect, why are you not giving him the benefit of the doubt?
April 16th, 2024 at 12:37 PM ^
Where's the point where we sue the NCAA? Isn't that how this works in SEC land?
April 16th, 2024 at 12:38 PM ^
Go away, NCAA. We're busy.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:41 PM ^
So Tennessee sues the NCAA and the NCAA gets rid of its rules on NIL. Michigan cooperates and gets punished. Warde looks real bright here.
Those cfp boondoggles don't come cheap.
Don't blame Warde that the school didn't sue. He can't pull off a lawsuit without the School Pres supporting it.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:41 PM ^
so in short...the impermissible in-person recruiting during the covid dead period is about meeting a local recruit for cheeseburgers, the impermissible tryouts is when JH was having a push up contest via zoom with Thomas Fidone's cousin who was battling lukemia and told JH he could do a 1 handed push up. The on field coaching was Ryan Osborn overstepping his role, and the former coach who is no longer cooperating is a big middle finger from JH and the NCAA got their feelings hurt. JH gets ran out of town and fatass gets his spot on the CFB playoff chair. I think I'm going to be sick.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:42 PM ^
It should make you feel better that Jim was highly likely to go to the NFL after our title whether Dudek-gate or Signgate happened or not
April 16th, 2024 at 12:50 PM ^
I know Jim says things that are the best answer in the moment..for example in a recent interview he said the Chargers job is the best job he's ever had. It's not a shot at Michigan, it's just how the guy is wired. Through youth sports I've had a couple interactions with Jack Harbaugh and I once asked him if Jim would retire as Michigan's coach. He chuckled and pointed out at the field and said something along the lines of how important it was for his kids to have an upbringing in Ann Arbor like he did. Never gave me an answer but I took that to mean if he had full support he would be a lifer here. Now I understand Jim actually went to HS out in cali, and had gauged NFL interest every year. I'm just of the opinion if he had a more supportive AD he would still be here and we would have told the NCAA to fuck off about this little stuff. Again, just my opinion.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:45 PM ^
As I understand it, it was lunch with committed recruits, which makes this even dumber.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:59 PM ^
JH gets ran out of town and fatass gets his spot on the CFB playoff chair.
And you absolutely know the first question FA asked when told these would be the punishments was "this doesnt effect me being on the CFB playoff committee right? Right? I mean I didnt do any of that awful, awful stuff - it was that other guy, not me."
The fact that they actually issued show-cause penalties for this nonsense should give everyone a very clear idea of just how much the NCAA hated Harbaugh and how badly they wanted him gone.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:42 PM ^
Just to follow up on all the details that the OP provided, the violations described in this report are centered around the "cheeseburger incident" et al. Anything having to do with the so-called sign stealing scheme by Connor Stallions is apparently still under investigation and the NCAA hasn't announced any official violations on that front.
Apologies that I didn't specify that
April 16th, 2024 at 12:46 PM ^
Slap on the wrist and negotiated resolution and that is likely how the sign stuff ends too. Michigan is going to get a fine, scholarship reduction, and a extra probation while Harbaugh, Stalions, and Partridge get 100 year show causes.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:47 PM ^
So 1yr probation because recruits came during the dead period. And 1 year for each cheeseburger…. Wow glad we didn’t host an actual recruiting weekend like that team with a nut for a mascot….
April 16th, 2024 at 12:48 PM ^
Fuck the NCAA and fuck the AD for being the NCAA's lapdog.
The NCAA goes after Tennessee and the Tennessee AD full out sues the NCAA.
The NCAA goes after Michigan and the Michigan AD asks how they can help the NCAA screw over the program.
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Ppl have this misconstrued! The Tennesseee AD didn’t do anything…it was the the lawmakers of the state that threatened the NCAA with lawsuits. Unfortunately here, there are Sparties in the state legislature and they wouldn’t go along with suing the NCAA on Michigan’s behalf
April 16th, 2024 at 12:49 PM ^
How convenient that this come out on the first day of the Spring Transfer Portal.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:53 PM ^
Moore was suspended by the school for this no? Very likely he's got a show cause, but 1 year is nothing big deal.
April 16th, 2024 at 12:54 PM ^
Does this mean Connor Stalions won't be able to take over Michigan football after all? Or will it simply require another hundred or so pages in his manifesto?
April 16th, 2024 at 12:55 PM ^
How does this affect Moore? We know he was one of the coaches due to the suspension. I don't understand what a show-cause is so I don't know how that will affect his employment.
Typical press release that makes nothingburgers (in this case, literal burgers!) sound like a criminal enterprise. That's the NCAA.
5 show causes, 3 years probation, and recruiting restrictions. Can you imagine what the penalties would've been if Manuel hadn't "repaired" our relationship w/ the NCAA...? Empty suit. Still.
Eh I mean they are 1 year show causes all for guys not here anymore. They are purely symbolic penalties which is good for us because they don't hinder our efforts to win future football games.
It wouldn't have mattered even if they were still here; a show cause penalty means that anyone wanting to hire them before the show cause was complete would also serve the penalties.
This is the NCAA's standard response to most forms of petty recruiting violations so that shouldn't bother anyone.
What is dumb is this kind of crap gets self reported left and right every year by other schools. This is all about a few people in the NCAA having a petty grudge with Harbaugh, Michigan, or both. This is where the true lack of leadership at the top of the NCAA comes through. No leader should let something like this happen. Even if the full infractions committee ran to the NCAA pres saying, "THEY WON'T COOPERATE WITH US!!!" That leader needs to tell that committee to focus on the shit that really matters and let this petty shit go.
It's also where the true lack of leadership at the top of the Athletic Dept. comes through.
Awaiting a statement from Warde Manuel about how great a partner Charlie Baker has been and how we are cooperating fully with the NCAA.
The committee will not discuss further details in the case to protect the integrity of the ongoing process, as the committee's final decision — including potential violations and penalties for the former coach — is pending.
HAHAHA.
The lack of self-awareness is fantastic.
No surprise here - the case has been dismissed without impacting the team going forward very much. I doubt the recruiting limitations will impact us much at all - it's about NIL more than in-home visits. We're frigging CFB champions - NCAA Prez Charlie Baker said so.
Perhaps someone can re-cap the timing. Did the "crime(s)" happen in early 2021? Did these allegations come to light in 2022 after Dudek left?
This "statement" by the NCAA shows they were clearly trying to bench JH for perhaps all of 2024, or at least the 1st half of the season (JH would have missed games vs Texas, USC, and Washington).
Total BS but the NCAA is a dying snake that is using its death rattles.
What exactly does probation mean? Is it like a bench warning - "do it again and we'll really punish you this time."
It's a double secret. We can't tell you.
I wonder who the other coaches are? So just to recap the last few years, we've now had multiple coaches commit NCAA violations, two coaches with DUI's, a coach fired for committing computer crimes, an analyst fired for sign stealing, another analyst fired shortly after being hired for being a horrible human, a coach fired for talking about sign stealing, and the former head coach under investigation for not cooperating? Am I missing anything or anyone? What a shit show. Yet there's barely been any problems with the players. Get it together coaching staff.
To me, the Tennessee NIL case is totally different from this case. NIL has been backed by a unanimous Supreme Court opinion in 2021. The NCAA tried to skirt this opinion with pissy interpretations of the court ruling (punishing Florida, FSU, etc.) - Charlie Baker probably figured it would lose again in the courts and just drop the case.
Federal Courts don't usually get into the "disciplinary process" of institutions like the NCAA unless there is an alleged violation of Civil Rights or Title IX laws. Like it or not, they probably had the "authority" to discipline JH even though he did nothing to deserve an L1 and even the L2 were a crock. This is a horribly warped and biased organization and has been for decades. Dating back to the Steve Alford charity sorority calendar days in the 1980s (suspended for the Kentucky game), followed by the Prop 42 eligibility requirements that heavily impacted Black athletes. In the 1990s, they had the BS loss of eligibility rules for Curtis Enis when he accepted clothing from an agent for an awards ceremony. Finally, O'Bannon of UCLA challenged them and won in court.
The B1G and SEC can put an end to this blood-sucking organization any time and should.