NC State & Wisconsin Nearly Identical Choke Games

Submitted by BornInAA on

In nearly identical games, NC State and Wisc had the chance to win the game in regular time and OT.

Both teams were rushing over 5+ yards a carry against gassed defenses in the 4th.

Then, the coaches, (for both teams, different games) decide to pass nearly every down at the end of the game and into OT to lose.

A good coach, like our own, if it works - will run the same play over and over.

 

 

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A Lot of Milk

October 16th, 2016 at 1:21 AM ^

This was in reference to overtime, not the whole game, it's my bad for not clarifying. OSU was getting in the backfield towards the end and was the reason they couldn't move the ball at all when they got to OSU's five. At THAT point, the only choice they had was to throw the ball, their running game was halted in OT.

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ak47

October 16th, 2016 at 12:12 AM ^

Wisconsin had a first and 20 and third and 12 and got stuffed inside the five on 3 out of 4 run plays. They aren't comparable at all

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jmblue

October 16th, 2016 at 12:36 AM ^

Only two of the four plays inside the 5 were runs - they passed on 2nd and 4th down.  (Well, they were supposed to pass on 4th down, anyway...)

After 1st down they never tried to run between the tackles again.  The fullback dive that they faked on 2nd down would have worked.  I didn't mind them then calling a run for 3rd down, but an outside play to the short side was a dumb choice.  

But all things considered, NC State's management was still much worse.

 

 

 

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JonnyHintz

October 16th, 2016 at 1:05 AM ^

No, he's really not. He's of ZERO running threat. It's like Speight attempting a read option. There's a specific reason it's not part of the playbook. Lack of QB mobility being chief among them. I'd like to think the Wisconsin staff PROBABLY has a better grasp on their playcalling than an MGoBlogger armchair coach. If the QB had mobility, they'd run him.

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Muttley

October 16th, 2016 at 12:35 AM ^

Every play in Wiscy's last regulation drive before the holding penalty was in fact a run.  And they ran twice on their final set of four downs in OT from the OSU 4, netting exactly zero yards.

But no reason for facts to get in the way of the OP's post.

 

  • 1st and 10 at WIS 25

    (3:57 - 4th) Corey Clement run for 7 yds to the Wisc 32

  • 2nd and 3 at WIS 32

    (3:32 - 4th) Dare Ogunbowale run for 4 yds to the Wisc 36 for a 1ST down

  • 1st and 10 at WIS 36

    (2:49 - 4th) Dare Ogunbowale run for 9 yds to the Wisc 45

  • 2nd and 1 at WIS 45

    (2:15 - 4th) Corey Clement run for 7 yds to the OhSt 48 for a 1ST down

  • 1st and 10 at OSU 48

    (2:01 - 4th) Clement, Corey rush for 4 yards to the OHIOST44, PENALTY WISCONSIN holding (Connors, Brett) 10 yards to the WISCONSIN42, NO PLAY.

  • 1st and 20 at WIS 42

    (1:44 - 4th) Alex Hornibrook pass complete to Jazz Peavy for 8 yds to the 50 yard line

  • 2nd and 12 at 50

    (0:55 - 4th) Alex Hornibrook pass incomplete to Robert Wheelwright

  • 3rd and 12 at 50

    (0:49 - 4th) Alex Hornibrook pass incomplete to Dare Ogunbowale

  • 4th and 12 at 50

    (0:41 - 4th) P.J. Rosowski punt for 35 yds, fair catch by Dontre Wilson at the OhSt 15

  • --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

  • 1st and Goal at OSU 4

    (OT) Corey Clement run for no gain to the OhSt 4

  • 2nd and Goal at OSU 4

    (OT) Alex Hornibrook pass incomplete to Troy Fumagalli

  • 3rd and Goal at OSU 4

    (OT) Corey Clement run for no gain to the OhSt 4

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    (OT) Timeout OHIO ST, clock 00:00

  • 4th and Goal at OSU 4

    (OT) Alex Hornibrook sacked by Tyquan Lewis for a loss of 11 yards to the OhSt 15

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taistreetsmyhero

October 16th, 2016 at 12:13 AM ^

Nc state was a different level of incompetence. That passing play on first down was a disaster. And they had 2 time outs and chose not to run another play when they were gashing clemson on the ground. And then they missed a chip shot.

Wisky just isn't a good offensive team. Hornibrook had some good individual plays but overall their offense just isn't good in the red zone because they are way too predictable and have no real threats.



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SHub'68

October 16th, 2016 at 1:54 AM ^

when it is desperately needed to wipe 7 off the board for those playing against OSU.  I thought the dropped 3rd down pass by Wisconsin's TE and the two horribly missed holds by OSU probably cost the Badgers the game.  My guess is we will need to play through a couple of those when we play at the toilet seat.

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1VaBlue1

October 16th, 2016 at 12:15 AM ^

UW was running well until that hold dropped them at 1st & 20.  After that, they had to throw.  Too much time left to give the ball back at midfield if they played 3rd & 12 as a two-down situation and keep running.

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MGlobules

October 16th, 2016 at 12:16 AM ^

but didn't have the horses. They were increasingly shut down in the second half. OSU got away with a couple of holding calls that might have altered the outcome, but OSU still looked, in the end, like the stronger side. NC State, OTOH, simply blew it.

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Steweiler

October 16th, 2016 at 12:18 AM ^

let's not forget the terrible non-calls of holding against OSU that kept them in the game. Total crap officiating on the huge plays, with the exception of the long run\fumble in the 1st.

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SHub'68

October 16th, 2016 at 2:04 AM ^

if we do not drop 50+ on those guys.  My only real concern about that game right now is for all our players to get through it healthy.  You know, Speight doesn't get his head twisted off, stuff like that...

It's pretty funny how some of them are reacting -- you'd have thought 9 years of unprecedented success for them would buy some understanding from the (un)faithful for a down year.  Especially with all the injuries, losing a top QB like that.  Sheesh.  It is nice that things have gotten so quiet, though.

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Perkis-Size Me

October 16th, 2016 at 12:30 AM ^

We jump Clemson but not OSU.

The committee will say OSU won a tough game on the road against a top-10 team.

The committee will then look at Clemson and see a team who struggled to put away a mediocre conference opponent at home. Which has been somewhat of a growing trend for them.



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