Myocarditis?
Near the onset of CFB, many, including the authors at MGoBlog, were concerned about the apparent prevalence of myocarditis in athletes (IIRC, MGo stated at least 10% of athletes who get covid will have myocarditis).
Perhaps the information is not being released, but cannot recall seeing anything related to myocarditis as the season has progressed. Either officially, or unofficially (i.e. player X is out for the year with an undisclosed injury).
Has anyone seen data? Obviously would be great news if heart issues were not a prevalent side effect.
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December 7th, 2020 at 2:52 PM ^
I'm a resident physician and just finished some time in the ICU. It's definitely one of the ways Covid-19 manifests; anecdotally, I've seen several cases, mostly in kids. It's probably just transient, though; I don't think any of my patients had measurable lasting damage. Attempting to exercise/play with myocarditis might be a different story.
December 7th, 2020 at 2:57 PM ^
So as a physician and having had my son contract Covid (nothing worse than a very minor cold, no coughing, no fever), do you recommend any tests for such a condition?
December 7th, 2020 at 3:22 PM ^
Just adding to the narrative that Covid hits people in different ways: I don't know if I'm young (I'm 37), but my Myocarditis didn't materialize and cause me problems until a month after my positive Covid test. Now a few months later, it's improved and I can exercise alright (with reduced intensity) but I'm not yet able to drink alcohol without my heart intensifying.
December 7th, 2020 at 4:14 PM ^
So true. One of my best friends parents both got it. Both in their early 60's. The wife was basically symptom free. Got a text from my friend that his dad passed away this morning. Been a tough day.
December 7th, 2020 at 4:29 PM ^
Does this eventually go away? I was exercising okay about a month after recovering from COVID, but then my stamina (when running or doing HIIT) fell off a cliff and general fatigue came back. Plus the occasional random heart flutters and "intensifying" as you say. I don't know what to do about it.
December 8th, 2020 at 11:45 AM ^
One of my running buddies had mild covid, age around 60, and his doc told him to keep his heart rate <135 for a month afterward, so reducing intesity after recovering may be part of the routine.
I would get checked out.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:57 PM ^
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December 7th, 2020 at 11:08 PM ^
Always a funny line, but wanna raise a point/awareness that healthcare workers are actually getting paycuts in this current situation despite hospitals running at capacity with no beds available and ridiculous amount of turnovers. Advice to you, Try not to get sick and not just covid, be compliant with your doctors recommendations about your chronic issues, take care of your elderly/disabled family members as a lot of them are getting neglected
December 7th, 2020 at 4:04 PM ^
Also a physician. My recommendation would be to see the pediatrician for testing if he has any symptoms, like palpitations or fatigue, greater than what he had pre-covid with strenuous activity.
December 7th, 2020 at 7:30 PM ^
Impossible to say from here, unfortunately. I would recommend a visit to his pediatrician before returning to athletics.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:28 PM ^
Fortunately, I am not an athlete.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:36 PM ^
can confirm....
December 7th, 2020 at 3:38 PM ^
Hahahaha.. epic troll that is much appreciated!
December 7th, 2020 at 3:49 PM ^
putin knows i love him
December 7th, 2020 at 3:50 PM ^
The people that are responsible for that are languishing away in a gulag in far away Siberia.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^
Welp, that carpet guy is dead. Poor carpet guy.
December 7th, 2020 at 7:57 PM ^
Knew that was coming! Good job!!
December 7th, 2020 at 8:21 PM ^
Hackman is brilliant.
December 7th, 2020 at 9:23 PM ^
Better yet, from Young Frankenstein:
(edit: I now see I was very late in posting this)
December 7th, 2020 at 8:59 PM ^
So as a physician you know it’s caused by other viruses as well right? Or are you just going to tell part of the story? Shame on you.
December 7th, 2020 at 2:53 PM ^
Justin Feagin.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:46 PM ^
came here to see this posted .... not disappointed
December 7th, 2020 at 2:54 PM ^
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Mods...no matter the honest intentions of the OP, might as well save yourselves the trouble and just pre-emptively delete/lock this one.
December 7th, 2020 at 2:55 PM ^
I don't know about myocarditis, but I do remember this study, which has a significant influence on the Big Ten deciding to originally cancel their season:
https://nypost.com/2020/07/01/doctor-if-college-football-is-played-someone-is-going-to-die/
This doctor predicted 3-7 college football players dying because of CoronaVirus if the season was played. This doctor also said this (exact quote): "I guarantee someone is going to die. The virus does not discriminate.”
In retrospect, sitting here today on December 7, it is fair (although some may not want to hear it) to point out that the predicted deaths from that study have not manifested.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:09 PM ^
You actually believe the conferences took this guy's word and ran with it? A computer scientist? Using projection calculations? Okay. Nothing more said to you would matter.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:15 PM ^
Yes, I do. The story got significant media attention back in July, and was commented upon by a handful of Big Ten football players and coaches in various media articles.
It is fair to assume this was part of Kevin Warren (and other)'s consciousness when they made their decision back in early August.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:31 PM ^
Oh, yay. It’s everyone’s favorite covid truther.
Myocarditis or not, this season is a mess and will continue to be since a significant number of games have to be cancelled every week. But sure, keep on hanging on to that one article that turned out to be wrong.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:45 PM ^
Dismiss me as a "truther", but part of the "scientific process" is pointing out when things are wrong. That study, which did get a lot of positive play here and elsewhere back in July, was wrong.
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As for cancelling games, the SEC is currently scheduled to play all 70 of their regular season conference games. Yes, some of them were postponed and moved, but as of December 7, they only have 2 weeks to go and barring further cancellations they are tracking for "70 for 70."
The B1G "leadership" got themselves in this mess. (1) Cancelling the season in early August, in what was arguably a political move, (2) then backtracking, (3) but still delaying the start of the season, (4) such that their schedule didn't include a single bye week. If "this season is a mess", a large chunk of that is the B1G "leadership"'s fault.
December 7th, 2020 at 4:04 PM ^
This is true. The Big Ten did everything wrong by waiting until late fall/early winter, when the second wave was projected to hit, to start the season and then giving themselves no wiggle room to reschedule games. Incompetent leadership has hurt this conference for a long time now.
December 7th, 2020 at 5:10 PM ^
You want to "point out when things are wrong"?
You were wrong about Sweden.
December 7th, 2020 at 5:53 PM ^
What specifically did I say about Sweden where I was wrong?
Every country in North America, South America and Europe has shown an inability to eliminate the virus. The USA is not an outlier in this regard.
Every country in North America and Europe saw an increase in cases once we moved into the fall, which indicates there is a natural heavy seasonal component to the virus' spread. Once again, the USA is not an outlier in this regard.
It is what it is. In the current environment, one where we cannot truly stop the virus from spreading, I favor less rules and regulations as regards closing things.
Lockdowns and shutdowns don't produce many incremental positive effects, while they do hurt thousands of people economically. As such, I don't think they are a policy worth further consideration.
December 7th, 2020 at 6:15 PM ^
Economically? What about socially, mentally, physically, and particularly for our children, developmentally?
What about increased suicide, drug overdoses domestic violence? What about the numbers showing young people in particular including millennials are reporting depression and despair on orders of magnitude greater than before Covid shut downs?
December 7th, 2020 at 6:57 PM ^
I 100% agree with the spirit of your post. For the record, I was definitely not meaning to minimize all the other effects besides the economic ones.
December 7th, 2020 at 6:35 PM ^
It is astounding how so many who have little to no education in this matter believe they are somehow specially empowered to define this matter-even to those whose knowledge is formally informed. (Yes, there are ideologues within the medical community-they are not an enlightened exception here.) If one has a poor understanding of this matter, which includes you, what you say here makes sense. However, your statements are half-truths and you do not understand the other half that fills the gap and completes the truth. Yes, we have not been able to make much of a dent in this pandemic virus. And it revolves around the why. You clearly demonstrate no understanding as to WHY the failure to arrest this virus continue. And sadly, no amount of explaining will result in your understanding.
December 7th, 2020 at 6:55 PM ^
To sum up your post:
"NittanyFan is wrong, but I won't provide any facts or evidence to support my belief that NittanyFan is wrong."
December 7th, 2020 at 7:12 PM ^
Along the same lines though, countries with minimal restrictions aren't economic or social outliers to the positive. So avoiding lockdowns also doesn't produce many incremental positive effects, unfortunately. Turns out long lasting, deadly global pandemics suck regardless of how we react to them because they're disruptive enough themselves. Whoda thunk?
Sweden's economy contracted by 8.6%, only slightly better than the EU as whole and about the same as its far more strict neighbors: "That is less than other countries hit hard by Covid-19, such as Italy, Spain and the UK, but still similar to the rest of Scandinavia. Sweden's unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics, up from 7.1% in March."
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354#:~:text=Sweden%2C%20which%20avoided%20a%20lockdown,from%20the%20previous%20three%20months.&text=Individual%20nations%20did%20even%20worse,13.8%25%20and%2012.4%25%20respectively.
Look at Japan's suicide rate which has spiked even though they haven't locked down: "We didn't even have a lockdown, and the impact of Covid is very minimal compared to other countries ... but still we see this big increase in the number of suicides," said Michiko Ueda, an associate professor at Waseda University in Tokyo, and an expert on suicides.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/28/asia/japan-suicide-women-covid-dst-intl-hnk/index.html
I'd still rather avoid any lockdowns, but acknowledge that 1) in the absence of mask wearing that people continue to refuse to do, it's probably the only way to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system and 2) it's a really, really hard balance to know how strongly we should be trying to avoid that.
It would have been nice if we could have done what Japan did which was to never lockdown and avoid massive healthcare burdens. How did they do it? Mask wearing, cooperative contact tracing, effective testing programs, careful populace.
December 7th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^
Man if you don't get it by now, you never will. So why waste time trying to offer you facts, etc.
Anyway, the fact that you wrote "it is what it is" says...pretty much all we need to know.
December 7th, 2020 at 11:24 PM ^
But it IS what it is.
We're a country (1) where intrastate travel is protected by the Constitution, (2) where a number of powers are given to the states and not the Federal government (net: a Federal mask mandate wouldn't have any standing by law), (3) where freedom and liberty are traits historically ingrained amongst millions of citizens who will be reticent against any attempts to curtail them, and (4) where we have thousands of miles of land borders that people can easily cross.
Eliminating a virus is vanishingly impossible given those 4 features above. Vanishingly impossible.
It IS what it is. You may not like to hear that. But given some of the structural realities of present-day America, this virus would have spread regardless of who was the US President, even if it was George Washington or Abraham Lincoln reincarnated.
It IS what it is. That's simply stating reality. I'm a realist, even if you are perhaps not.
December 8th, 2020 at 12:11 AM ^
It's only impossible because total assholes who won't even try to stop it are making it impossible.
December 8th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^
" Eliminating a virus is vanishingly impossible given those 4 features above. Vanishingly impossible. "
Yet we've done it, with numerous diseases.
Smallpox
Polio
Diptheria
Rubella
December 8th, 2020 at 12:16 PM ^
We've only eliminated those 4 viruses in America with the help of a vaccine --- which, of course, hasn't been available in the USA for the past 9 months.
You are comparing apples (eliminating a virus with the help of a vaccine) with an orange (eliminating a virus without the help of a vaccine).
FWIW, 3 of those 4 viruses you mention are still occurring in the wild on Earth, if not in America.
For the 1 that is truly eliminated worldwide (SmallPox), it took 183 years between the first vaccine and confirmation of global eradication. 183 years.
December 7th, 2020 at 10:32 PM ^
You need to read up on Australia...
December 7th, 2020 at 11:19 PM ^
The US is not Australia. Australia does not have thousands of miles of land borders that people could easily cross.
Those thousands of miles of land borders make a "zero CoronaVirus cases" goal basically impossible.
If you compare the USA to the various countries that all DO have hundreds and thousands of miles of land borders (e.g., basically all countries in North America, South America and Europe), you will find that nobody in a similar position has eliminated CoronaVirus.
Nobody.
Net: Australia is neither a good or relevant comparison point.
December 8th, 2020 at 12:30 AM ^
Really? You really believe that the reason COVID is tearing through the USA is that we have land borders with Canada and Mexico?
No. COVID is not invading from Canada or Mexico.
You are so wrong it is just mind-boggling.
Start over. Read up on what Australia did to defeat the virus.
December 7th, 2020 at 3:58 PM ^
DetroitBlue, Nittany is most assuredly NOT a “truther”
You might not like or agree with his thoughts on this subject. Lord knows I don’t very often, but most of his points are well thought out and he regularly sources scientific evidence for his views (peer reviewed articles etc). Thankfully just because something is in a peer reviewed journal doesn’t make it absolute fact. We (scientists) wait until there is an overwhelming amount of data supporting one version significantly more than the other ....
He may not be right, he may cherry pick from the existing data a bit, but he doesn’t stubbornly state something as fact when there’s zero evidence to back it up (or even evidence to the contrary)
December 7th, 2020 at 4:54 PM ^
The season's a mess! Look at all the cancelled games! We should have cancelled ALL the games so we wouldn't have to cancel some of the games!