Effect of 2014 E8 loss to Kentucky on Beilein's recruiting?
If someone says to you, "Take Care of Something" - that means "Light it on Fire", right?
Upon reading the thread title, I thought you were going to make some asinine comment about recruits perception of UM vs. Kentucky. I think you actually might be onto something here though. Belien has made a few comments over the last year that would lead me to believe that this is definitely a contributing factor.
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think it is limited to the Kentucky game though. We got physically manhandled in a few games this year. MSU made us look like the JV at Crisler and Wisconsin mutilated us down low in the BTT. Louisville also ran a lay up line against us in the second half of the NC game with McGary a year before the UK game.
He can't compete consistently at al elite level and get dominated down low. He get do it at WVU and consider it a success when they sneek into a Sweet 16 or something but we have to be able to defend at the rim and rebound to consistently compete in the BIG and nationally.
There is also an element to this that we are more or less good for a while in the backcourt and on the wing. I am of the perspective that Hatch is going on medical, Williams is signing, Levert is returning, Spike is redshirting and Walton is a four year player. Chatman, MAAR, and Dawkins are likely all four year players and Irvin may very well stay 4.
There is not much room in the backcourt or on the wing right now. Add to this that Donnal was a dissapointment and Michigan State is going to have the front court from Hell the next two years and I think JB is just looking at it from a perspective of need.
April 17th, 2015 at 10:14 PM ^
i mean, maybe.
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might be he found himself without any experienced big men this year. While the Kentucky game might have raised some eyebrows with Beilein, I don't know if you change your recruiting strategy based upon one game.
And a game that you lost by a 3 pointer at the buzzer.
I posted this in the Hello front page post.
Michigan might not be full for 2016 because there is a chance that Davis takes a prep year. If that happens there is room for a guard in the 2016 class.
That's a rumor floating around, especially over at Rivals.
Another nugget that they posted that got me excited:
He likes Michigan so much that he is willing to take a prep year and maybe even a red-shirt year if the coaches ask him to.
If he takes a prep year this changes the whole conversation for me because it doesn't leave us high and dry on recruiting ballhandlers and scoring guards for the 2016 class
Prep year + Redshirt year at Camp Sanderson. This dude coule be a beast by the time hes a Soph (RS).
Also, not only that Kentucky game, but you look at how Wisconsin gets it done on offense with their bigs.
Kid absolutely has some developmental work to do, and may not even see the floor until 2018. But he has some potential as a low-post scorer, which is something we've lacked for a while (other than McGary in the 2013 tourney). Plenty of bigs are slow and plodding, even some with NBA contracts. But if a guy is tall (6'10" is his floor, could still be a 7-footer), strong (Camp Sanderson), has good footwork (he does), and can finish (he shows some ability in this area), he can be a real asset.
Well let's not discuss anything then. Let's just have a thread where we all post "Hail Beilein"
HAIL BEILEIN!
of that.
free speech and everything, but I don't think it is right to speculate on transfers by name.
April 17th, 2015 at 10:11 PM ^
while those guys we've since added were all tall, none of them are very athletic.
are athletic. Wilson is all kinds of athletic but just needs bulk. Doyle is a pretty effective finisher who displayed better than average footwork for his age and an ability to finish strong at the rim. He is athletic just not the kind of athletic you are thinking.
are the kind of athletic we would need to not get dominated in the post, is what he's saying, because that was the theory presented by the OP. If the attempt was to try to not get dominated in the post, Beilien would have pursued longer, shot-blocking rim protectors. But that's not what he's done.
He's just recruited another below-the-rim skilled big man, who can finish around the rim but probably won't have any more success on the defensive side than Morgan or Doyle had the past two years against bigger teams. And there's nothing wrong with that. We've had pretty good success with Beileins current style. That style has been making sure every player has skill on offense and needs to be accounted for, and we sacrifice a bit on the defensive end to be able to have that.
This was exactly my thought when reading the OP. He said after that game we need "above the rim" guys. Doyle, Teske, Davis are not really guys with hops like that. They are tall. DJ Wilson supposedly is athletic - we'll see we have barely seen him. But that is the exception not the rule.
With all the long range shots this team needs a 6'10 version of Dennis Rodman would be perfectly damn fine. A Udoh type. And no, he was not projected as a NBA player coming out of HS - he was a raw, jumping jack. That's a perfect 5 for the Beilein system to clean up the glass, protect the rim, block shots. He should get 8-9 pts a nite just cleaning up everyone else's mess.
As for the 4, I keep going back to Chris McCullough of Syracuse as a 4 that Beilein should be going after. He is a jumping jack 4 who was ranked just about the same as Chatman (Not a top 10 guy destined for UK, Kansas, Duke) - solid shooter (not all the way out to the 3) and affects the defense via rebounding (7 per game in under 30 min) and blocked shots (2 per game in under 30 min). Plus was averaging an excellent FG% in the 2 pt range (48%) and lots of points for a true freshman. No these guys are not a dime a dozen but again UCLA OSU (which are not UK, Kansas, Duke, UNC) seem to get guys in the 25-65 range pretty easily to fit their needs. Beilein seems to recruit guys as if he is at West Virginia still - either find a guy rated low to begin with who ascends late in his HS career (GR3 Irvin types) or go for borderline 100 to 200 range.
You marry that sort of 4 with an above the rim player at 5, along with our normal 1-3 and you have a hell of a lineup that is difficult to deal with and balanced.
bigs as athletic? They did okay against Kentucky.
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I think it was more likely all the armchair quarterbacks (point guards?) on the interwebs complain'n that we never have a back to the basket game or a solid rim protector.
We have a winner. Need moar bigs to compete and succeed against the elites. JB is a weird guy that the coolness of Bacari and Lavell can't overcome when recruiting the 1 and done types. Therefore to excel against the best you need to continue to take your high IQ, untapped talent (Irvin, GRIII, Levert, Stauskas, Burke, Hardaway) and add them to 3yr, 4yr and 5yr 6'9-6'10 legit post men (minus the eilte athleticism).
in the committment post on the front page. It seems like JB wants a few more big guys who can get the basketball off the boards. We'll see. I actually prefer his old method of "you don't need to rebound if you make enough 3's"........
Beilein was quoted in the off season after the Kentucky loss saying he was going to start recruiting taller, more athletic (ie shot blockers) recruits.
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the pessimism, the disrespect for the greatest fucking coach of Michigan college basketball of all time, the inability to see how great things are about to get for this program once again - I can't take it anymore.
Some of you are so fucking dumb it hurts.
we lost on a deep three at the buzzer really confounds me.
More though, the idea that our genius of a coach who has run this program with general mastery - the idea that this guy is not proceeding from a plan but is simply reacting or reacting in panic, it's just ridiculous.
We have a great staff. They know what they are doing. The immediate future is very bright.
I can't even fathom the weeping and the doubting of Coach Beilein.
April 17th, 2015 at 11:05 PM ^
over Marcus Lee going Marcus Lee and the team being right there at the buzzer in a year where his All American center was lost to injury.
Your post remains ridiculous and there are too many ridiculous posts about this basketball team made by Michigan "fans" on pretty much every Michigan forum.
It's madness.
April 17th, 2015 at 11:22 PM ^