Delany on Satellite Camps - Let's Also Talk Oversigning
Delany says any national discussion about satellite camps should also include a look at oversigning, grayshirting & "flipping" recruits.
— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) April 29, 2015
I'm sure the SEC would be thrilled to have that conversation. Finally the B1G commish does something good.
h/t to Nick Baumgardner
April 29th, 2015 at 10:49 AM ^
Delany said that? The Delany? B1G Commish? Didn't see that coming, but well done man.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:32 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 11:14 AM ^
I think he really meant "paying" instead of "flipping". It's a not so subtle dig at the SEC bag men.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:32 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 10:34 AM ^
Agreed, but it's a way of turning the narrative. You have to shift the conversation before you can address the merits.
The SEC is raising a big stink about satellite camps, so it gives Delany a chance to say "well, we've been quiet about your policies, so maybe we should bring everything to the table."
April 29th, 2015 at 10:58 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 10:42 AM ^
for DeLany, lets see if he is serious.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:46 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 10:52 AM ^
Had to google Wilfred Laurier University to see if they would have television sets in their location. Results are inconclusive because Canada.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:51 AM ^
Having gone through this with my son - I can tell you giving all of the flexibility to the prospect would be a mistake. Just as susceptible to abuse as giving all of the power to the school (which we are closer too on the continuum).
Many schools' staffs are ligitimate and honest and enabling prospects complete flexibility puts all of their efforts and sometimes limited budgets at risk.
With that being said, there should be additional rules that allow for options for the player after he signs (within a reasonable time) that give him a chance to move on if for instance his recruiter and position coach leaves.
Agree that oversigning and what seems to be statistically significant rates of medical redshirts and such to enable room are really what a player (and his parents/guardians) are most concerned about.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:52 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 10:54 AM ^
They should also have a look at medical redshirts. It seems like there are a lot of 3* limps in Tuscaloosa.
April 29th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^
This is great, but the real problem remains that players don't matter to anyone in NCAA or the conferences. Satellite camps will help Big10 teams win because they need the players and SEC has already prohibited them. Oversigning helps SEC teams win because they are more aggressive about it. Therefore the Big10 likes satellite camps and doesn't like oversigning.
But his opposition to flipping? Flipping is students trying to choose the school that is best for them before getting locked into a one-sided contract. Even by calling it that, he's showing that he thinks the students have no role in the process. It's not schools flipping students, it's students changing commitments as new information appears.
No one has supported satellite camps for the obvious reason - that they can help students get better at football and learn more about which school will fit them best.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:25 AM ^
There could be some rules put in place to restrict contact with committed recruits, dependent on a request from the recruit. There's also the possibility of an early signing period that the Big Ten would need to have paired with earlier official visits like in basketball.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:00 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 11:05 AM ^
Tell me you meant "pimp hand", because I don't want to know about what Delaney's "pump hand" is up to. Ever.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:13 AM ^
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April 29th, 2015 at 11:23 AM ^
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April 29th, 2015 at 12:00 PM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 11:01 AM ^
Obligatory. Good on Jim D. And Jim H for starting shit with the SEC (but that always goes without saying).
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April 29th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
I don't think flipping a commit to one school to another is the issue but rather how it was done... Again, I could be wrong in what Delaney meant but..
You have to admit that some shady things happen with schools like Ole Miss... Treadwell recruiting would be one that seems completely weird...
April 29th, 2015 at 11:02 AM ^
Trying to think if any coaches in league would be against it.
as much as the next person but do we have definitive proof?
April 29th, 2015 at 11:03 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 11:05 AM ^
I still think one of Brian's best ideas is to do away with roster limits and just limit recruiting classes to 25 commits. No incentive to get them off your team after that.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:22 AM ^
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I don't get it. Why do they need to know that? Do the number of scholarship men and women at a given school have to be the same number? They will know how many are on scholarship. It's just not set in stone before a recruiting class is finished (although you'd have no incentive to not get 25 guys since it won't count against you in the future). Guys get kicked off teams or added as late graduate transfers.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:47 AM ^
I don't think it can be as simple as a straight 25 class limit. How do you count transfers, walkons? Figure out how many years an incoming player has to complete there eligibility and count all granted scholarships over all those years whether or not the player remains on the roster. So an incoming freshman would count against the scholarship limit over the next 5 years (4 years to play + possible red-shirt).
Why couldn't transfers count as part of the 25 class limit? Why would walkons have to be any different than they are now (that they don't count and don't get a scholarship)?
April 29th, 2015 at 11:06 AM ^
April 29th, 2015 at 11:09 AM ^
I'm not too excited. In Delaney speak "a look" means meekly bowing and begging for forgiveness.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:11 AM ^
I think the point is that the SEC wants the NCAA to make it a rule so that their conf rule doesn't handcuff them.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:43 AM ^
their rule. In fact, they would have already done so. If the NCAA doesn't end these satellite camps, the chances of the SEC keeping their rule is 0.0%
April 29th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^
Agreed that the SEC will not sit idly by. However, I think the bigger issue is the SEC wants to restrict acess to its talent more than a level playing field - and what I mean by that, is the SEC/ACC do not want the ability to hold their own camps, they want to shut down camps in their "home" territory. I think the SEC would much rather have outside programs remain somewhat of a "black box" to kids in their own backyard than they would value the chance to setup a camp in Ohio or Michigan
April 29th, 2015 at 11:12 AM ^
the game their way for 10 years led by meyer and saban. Good to see Delaney pull his head out of the sand and get in the game. Slive has been winning the off the field war up until now.
April 29th, 2015 at 11:12 AM ^
SEC: Dee who?
Delany: Deez nuts!
April 29th, 2015 at 11:33 AM ^
SUCKEM SABAN!
April 29th, 2015 at 12:21 PM ^
Oh. My. Gawd.
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April 29th, 2015 at 11:18 AM ^
First and foremost, the not-so-subtle troll of the SEC....well done, Mr. Delany.
Particularly on the issue of flipping though, it seems like the solution that gets fronted for that is the institution of an early signing period for football. It's a discussion that I think you would have to frame very carefully as even we've benefitted from the odd flip, as have other teams in the conference. Grayshirting and oversigning, on the other hand, do feel free to continue asking Mike Slive how many counties have committed to Alabama this week.