Per Chris Peterson GBMWolverine - depressing news
This article if true & accurate very depressing.
Out:
Stevens, Donovan, and Marshall. Beard super unlikely.
Guys on list:
Smart (Shaka Smart continues to get mentioned and according to Webb, Donovan actually recommended Smart, his former assistant, as a candidate.)
Ed Cooley
Lavall Jordan
Frank Martin
johnny Dawkins
coach K.....Utah lol
Hopefully Peterson/Webb no nothing. If true, this is not good. Gotta think Howard is best option on these guys. Maybe Cooley?
My question for group that is more connected than me. Webb & Peterson usually spot on? Hoping they are known to be wrong!
I do not want smart. Beilein owned him.
If it’s Smart, I want Yaklich to stay.
Your argument for not wanting Smart is based off of one game?
Pretty sure we've seen him 3 times.
Genuinely wondering, how did the other matchups go? I couldn't seem to find anything on Google.
Michigan beat VCU 78-53 in the round of 32 in 2013
Michigan beat Texas 72-78 in the 2015 Battle 4 Atlantis
Michigan beat Texas 53-50 in AA during the regular season in December 2016
How about Smart’s performance at Texas?
He’s an above average higher imo, but far from elite.
His performances could have been higher
Sorry I'm late to reply. Wife went to vcu for med school the whole time he was there, I remember michigan destroying him. He inherited a good vcu program. He hasn't exactly improved a program much, just kept it the same. Vcu did well without him both before and after. I'm not sold on him. Reminds me of the Amaker hire all over again.
That's a weird reason to not want a coach.
I just posted a second ago in a different thread, but I wouldn't mind Smart. You can't duplicate his ability to recruit with some of the other coaches being discussed, and he's young enough to evolve.
He's much better than a lot of the other names I have heard in this search.
At this point in the game we could do a lot worse than Smart. It would dramatically alter our recruiting targets, but in terms of a proven commodity who has flashed the ability to win at a high level he would fit the bill. It would not be ideal, but I wouldn’t be up in arms about it. Given the Wilson news and the Poole/Iggy departure (and possible other recruiting attrition), this is starting to look like a “rebuild” anyway and not a “plug and win.”
If the standard is we can only hire coaches who bested Beilein, the list will be... what? Pitino, Jay Wright, and that dude from Oregon?
I'd take Dana Altman (that dude from Oregon).
Hard pass. Really gross rape scandal surrounding him and Oregon
Hmm, I was not aware of that, only his record and his recent run in the tourney. Also, looks like he just signed an extension through 2026 a couple months ago. And he's older than I realized - will be 61 next month.
Yeah, he's a pass unless we're bringing in Engler at the same time...
Well the forklifts are already helping renovate Schembechler Hall, so if nothing else it would be convenient.
Good thing Smart would never have to play Beilein.
Sounds like GBMWolverine is just repeating what Sam has been saying. I don't know Chris Peterson's work, but Sam is as connected to the AD as you can be.
He is connected but people overrate insiders. Beilein told Warde he was interviewing at the beginning of May and not a peep was heard from a single insider over the ensuing two weeks. Webb came out and said it was extremely unlikely Michigan would reach out to Donovan and less than 24 hours later everyone was reporting we had reached out to him. Following this process is going to be a lot of bad information from anyone and give you an ulcer.
I'm guessing this whole thing is pretty fluid, so yeah, I would take anything anyone is saying right now with a massive boulder of salt.
Don’t you mean the tiniest grain of salt?
Actually meant to type, "I would not take anything anyone is saying right now with a massive boulder of salt." But yours works better, thanks.
Hold on, now. If you regard something with skepticism, you would take it with a grain of salt. If you regard it with very great skepticism, you would take it with a huge grain (or let's say a boulder) of salt. If the tiniest grain of salt, are you suggesting that you are only slightly skeptical and tend more to believing than disbelieving these reports?
I has confused now.
This is total BS. I am sure the subscription to GBMW has gone up this week because of all these rumors.
Unless a candidate's agent has said that he is not interested or the search firm has found something negative about a candidate, no one has been eliminated. The names that Sam and others are hearing or not hearing is because someone other than the AD (assistants, agents, friends etc) wants to affect the choice. I expect Warde to look at the list of potentials this weekend, then he will call a few alums (e.g., former players). If everything goes well, we will get the news in 2-3 days.
Thanks for the update?
If this is true, I would want Smart for his recruiting prowess or I guess Coach K. Seems like he has some good offenses. Just keep Yaklich and it could work out.
I have no problem with Shaka Smart or Juwan Howard personally.
Smart is being really underrated here. He's had a few really bad years but his luck on Kenpom has been hovering around #300 every year. His starting PG has also missed all but 12 games for 2 years.
Imagine us without Simpson for all but 12 games for the past 2 years. We'd be nowhere.
Also I'm pretty sure Beilein's first few years in AA weren't that celebrated
Found Brian's secret account!
Lol yeah I'm citing Brian here with the first point, probably should've mentioned
his luck on Kenpom has been hovering around #300 every year.
Is it normal for a coach to repeatedly have a terrible luck rating? Or does it mean he's just bad in tight games?
He wasn't there while at VCU so unless you believe he just got way worse as a coach between the two stops its likely just being unlucky.
Well, he does coach differently at Texas - he's scrapped the "Havoc" press which had been his calling card.
I recall the so-called Havoc press defense being regarded as a tactic to make up the talent deficit which comes from being a mid-major that has difficulty recruiting against the majors.
Beilein's approach evolved over his years in AA. He was thought of as the guy who runs that funky 1-3-1 defense. Michigan has rarely run the 1-3-1 over the past several years, well before Donlon and Yaklich showed up.
Yeah. But we have not (to date) seen Smart adapt and thrive to his new situation. He's had a tough go of things in Austin.
He is in a big boy conference now.
I mean the first 5 star he got at Texas got diagnosed with leukemia.
"Luck" per KenPom isn't about injuries, but about how your record compares to your efficiency margin.
Completely disagree. Shaka Smart is being insanely overrated that he keeps getting mentioned ina all these coaching searches.
First off, having an injured pg is not the same as saying "imagine us without Simpson". Simpson is an all B10 player, potential all american, and by far our most important player. I don't think Texas was missing nearly as important of a player as Simpson. Even so, this year we went without one of our best players (Mathews) for a few weeks and barely missed a beat.
Shaka Smart has a below .500 record in a terrible B12 conference. No amount of bad luck or injuries accounts for that. In 4 years he has yet to win a tournament game, and only made it twice. This after taking over a program that had made 15 of the last 16. He has made 1 sweet 16 EVER. His best season at Texas was his first year with none of his players. Even all that great recruiting his teams have gotten worse over time.
Beilien took over a a program that hadn't made the tournament in a decade, and made it to the second round in year 2. To compare his start to Smart's at Texas is absurd.
Texas was missing a 5 star point guard... for two years.
Also, yes Michigan won 2 tourney games in the first four years, but in the other two years we didn't even make the NIT. Beielin's record is almost identical to Smart's in his first 4 years in the program.
And dead last luck will absolutely skew the record in a bad way. At the end of the day, this guy is an ELITE recruiter and it's highly unlikely that his teams fare as badly as they did the past 4 years. I'm betting things will regress to the mean in a pretty big way.
Also, yes Michigan won 2 tourney games in the first four years, but in the other two years we didn't even make the NIT. Beielin's record is almost identical to Smart's in his first 4 years in the program.
That's not an apples/apples comparison. Shaka replaced Rick Barnes, who had a long, successful tenure. Barnes' program was getting a little stale but still, his last four years were better than Shaka's first four have been. You can't compare that situation to Beilein taking over a Michigan program that hadn't made the tourney in a decade.
1. I think missing a 5 star PG is somewhat comparable to losing Simpson. Think of how our offense looked with him off the floor, and then think of the guard depth. You would have had Poole, Brooks, and ??? Also Simpson was light-years ahead of Matthews in terms of importance to the team, and the Matthews injury was critical in the games against MSU. Now imagine if SImpson had been a 5 star guard instead of a very good distributor and defender that shoots poorly enough that teams don't defend his 3-point shot, and take that away from us for the last 2 years. Do we even make the tournament? Maybe, but it's close.
2. A terrible B12? Do you watch college basketball? Every B12 team was in the top 100 on KenPom. Texas Tech knocked off us, Gonzaga, and MSU, and could have won the championship. The B1G had more top 10 teams, but the B12 had more in the top 25, and only had two teams out of NCAA consideration.
3. It took until his 6th season (the first runner-up team) for Beilein to have a winning B1G record. That 6th season was also his first Sweet 16 year at Michigan. He was also .500 over his 5 seasons in the Big East.
Look, I think any coach Michigan can get is a downgrade from Beilein, but when he was brought in to Michigan his WVU teams had started to trend downward, and after three years that tournament win was looking a little fluky. And don't forget losing to a 13 seed in year 5. I think the comparison to Smart is a reasonable one, although he walked into a better roster than Beilein did.
There are many (some) here who keep making this claim that the Big12 is bad. I saw it numerous times throughout the season. It clearly shows they do not watch much college bball outside of us.
The Big 12 is most certainly not terrible
Maybe a little biased but Coach K from Utah would be a far better candidate than the others listed above. His offenses are pretty fun. Keeping Yaklich would assist in his lack of defensive prowess. He's been able to snag some pretty good talent while putting players in the draft.
Sucks if Donovan truly isn't available.
so... 5 of 6 are minorities.....a coincidence.....someone posted earlier that Warde wants a minority hire first and foremost.
Edit fixed the poor wording on the bad take.
The guy is reiterating a point that was made earlier by 1202. How else is he supposed to say it without hurting your feelings?
Wasn't aware that my feelings were hurt but thanks for making me realize that they were. The post originally made no sense as it was worded poorly. Edit fixed that but it's still a bad take. The fact that 1202 originally posted the "point" doesn't make it any better of a take.