Who Will Be The UM Starting QB in '24

Submitted by Mercury Hayes on December 3rd, 2023 at 7:20 PM

Who Will Be Michigan’s Starting QB in ‘24

Discussion about Michigan’s future at the QB position is inescapable.  This week we heard announcers pontificate about JJ McCarthy’s draft decision and also read numerous MgoBoard posts about interesting transfers such as Tyler Van Dyke and Dante Moore.

This diary aims to but some research and reason behind the potential chaos for your reading pleasure in this month between now and the Rose Bowl.

 

JJ McCarthy – approximately 30% chance

The Rose Bowl and College Football Championship outcomes and individual performance will heavily dictate how this transpires. Current NFL mock drafts have McCarthy as high as a first round pick (3rd QB taken). It is nearly a consensus that Caleb Williams (USC) and Drake Maye (UNC) are top five picks – everything else is inconsistent. I’ve seen McCarthy listed as early as the 21st overall pick. But other mock drafts have him behind Michael Penix Jr (Washington) and Bo Nix.

There is likely a financial case to go to the league. But, with the NIL landscape and next year’s draft class, a return would put McCarthy in the conversation for the Heisman Trophy , the 1st overall pick in 2025 and Michigan record books for wins and legacy.

It is still more than likely he goes to the league, but there’s a chance.

 

Jack Tuttle – approximately 15% chance

If there is another player on Michigan’s roster who would likely be a starting QB next year it’s Tuttle. Many Michigan fans are clamoring for Alex Orji and Jayden Denegal, but this year’s passing stats are telling. Tuttle has the most attempts outside of McCarthy and has one more season of eligibility. Tuttle would have a 6th year granted based on getting a pass for his 2020 COVID year, and taking a 2021 redshirt (he only appeared in one game). Based on my decent knowledge of these things, he will be eligible, although I don’t think its likely.

The only way Tuttle gets the starting job next year is if Harbaugh and Moore think he can take them to the playoff. And I feel strongly if you have that kind of backup waiting in the wing, you get him live reps in 2023.

There will be people on this blog that are worrying about the schedule, and I’m here to tell you that Michigan will be re-loaded next year (whether Harbaugh or Moore are at the helm). Michigan has excelled at keeping players longer through NIL, and hitting the portal. They can cover over any gaps needed to get them good enough.

 

The schedule is not as hard as we once thought with USC taking a tumble, PSU not making the roster and rival MSU taking a major step back this year.

 

Fresno State – Likely win

Texas – toss up

Arkansas State – likely win

USC – likely win (at home, and no Caleb Williams)

Minnesota – likely win

Washington – toss up (they replace a QB too, but it is on the road)

Illinois – likely win

Michigan State – likely win

Oregon – toss up

Indiana – likely win

Northwestern – likely win

OSU – toss up

Generally speaking, it looks 8 likely wins, and 4 toss ups. Lets say Michigan wins two of those 4 games, they would be 10-2 with an outstanding schedule and quality wins. They would be in the playoff (maybe even with a 9-3 record).

That being said, is Jack Tuttle the guy who can beat two of Oregon, Texas, OSU, Washington? If not, the coaches will turn elsehwere.

 

The Field – 5%

I realize there was a time when Davis Warren was the backup, and that Alex Orji is a good runner. Jayden Denegal has even shown a pulse. Still, Tuttle has had more pass attempts than all of them and I feel it is unlikely he gets jumped unless there is an injury or something unforeseen. It is telling that Orji has only thrown one pass with Michigan (and it was last year).

Meanwhile Denegal may have it but again, wouldn’t we have seen more of him in games against teams like Purdue, MSU and Iowa? This feels unlikely. Again, if one of these guys can win 2 of those toss ups, and not drop a clunker, they will get the nod.

 

Jaydn Davis – 15%

If JJ wasn’t ready as a freshman, it is hard to think Jaydn Davis will. But on a pure athleticism basis, Davis is probably a top option. It feels like he will need to have a strong summer with the playbook to beat out Tuttle who would be in his 6th year at a P5 program.

 

A Transfer – approximately 35% chance if I added all these numbers up right.

Jack Rudock, John O’Korn, Shea Patterson, Alan Bowman, Jack Tuttle. Jim Harbaugh has routinely recruited and started transfer portal QBs. If Tuttle is not the guy, they can take a player for one year while grooming Davis. This would allow them to possible have a depth chart of 1. Transfer, 2. Tuttle, 3. Davis. Of course, this would create churn with some of the other QBs mentioned, or maybe Orji finds a different role (H-back, TE, etc). This may be dependent on who is available – and alongside Oregon and Washington, Michigan should have the pick of the litter.

There have already been a number of transfer QBs hitting the portal. Many are unlikely (Tyler Van Dyke stinks, and Dante Moore would be a slap in the face to Jadyn Davis). So who would we be looking at in the portal? A few of the top names like Riley Leonard and Will Howard are intriguing. Still, its too early in the process and surely more players will be in the fold by the end of the season.

We should have more clarity after the playoff as the team performance and finish will set the dominos in motion. Of course, even after all those words - it may not even be one guy. Rose Bowl opponent Alabama benched their starting QB, and Michigan has some intriguing options. Aside from a clear front-runner by August, maybe there is an open competition during the Fresno State game.

Comments

jdemille9

December 3rd, 2023 at 7:27 PM ^

I think the chance of JJ returning is probably 50/50. He seems like the kind of kid who loves it here and he has a chance to be the first QB off the board in 2025.

That said, I don't feel comfortable with anyone currently on the roster to lead us (assuming JJ leaves). We lose way too much, on both sides of the ball, to have an inexperienced QB at the helm. My money is on a grad transfer.

EGD

December 4th, 2023 at 9:41 AM ^

If McCarthy was more an Ohio State-style merc, I think he'd likely come back for another season and try to play his way up to the #1 pick or at least top-5. But for McCarthy, I actually think being graded for the late first round might actually increase the chances he goes to the draft because then he's more likely to wind up on a competitive team rather than a rebuilding project. 

Gob Wilson

December 3rd, 2023 at 7:35 PM ^

I hope the chance of JJ returning is 50%. That would be great. I also would like to see Alex Orji progress this spring. He's been enrolled at UM since January 2022 and a quick review of his tapes from HS demonstrate the ability to throw deep. Moreover, his size and speed are scary. 

Mike Damone

December 3rd, 2023 at 10:20 PM ^

Agreed on 45-50% for JJ.  Fire up the NIL cash machine, and lets make it happen.

Can Orji throw?  Would be nice to see.

I think people are underestimsting Davis Warren, because he's been banged up this year.  If JJ goes - betting he will be the bridge to Jadyn Davis.

Riley Leonard would be good - but not sure M is on his current radar.

EGD

December 4th, 2023 at 9:47 AM ^

I have to imagine Orji must have some ability as a passer, otherwise why would they keep him at QB?  Given his size and athleticism, I have to believe they would try and make him into some kind of tight end or H-back or find a spot for him on defense if he couldn't throw.

Or perhaps this is just my wishful thinking (because man, if that guy can throw...)

WestQuad

December 6th, 2023 at 8:34 AM ^

Everybody who makes it to Michigan or a D1 school looks great in their HS tape, but Wow.  Just wow.   Orji kept throwing long bombs.  One play he threw it from his own 35 to the opposing 15, without much effort. That is 50 yards.  I'm not sure who his comp would be.  Vince Young?  Dante Culpepper?

It will be interesting to see if he gets on the field.  I wonder if his name helps or hurts him.  

DaftPunk

December 3rd, 2023 at 8:15 PM ^

JJ's ready for Caleb Williams level NIL next year if he wants it (what fast-food vendor wouldn't want him selling their fried chicken?)

One year closer to that free agent payday if he goes, but higher starting pay scale for a better draft pick in 2025 (ignoring injury concerns.)

Would Dante Moore be better than Tuttle next year?  First year in a new system v. knowing it inside and out. Portalling for a QB could screw up our current recruiting. Unless a lot of veteran talent comes back, I don't know if playoff considerations are foremost next year.

jdemille9

December 3rd, 2023 at 8:44 PM ^

How would getting a QB out of the portal screw up recruiting? Given Michigan's archaic and asinine transfer credit rules it'd be a grad transfer and he's a one and done. If it's some freshman like Dante Moore, I still don't see how it hurts. Sure, the loser of the QB battle is gonna transfer but I'd rather have two elite QB's battle it out and lose one than just have one to ride or die with. 

If JJ does not return, I'm with you on playoffs not being the foremost consideration next year, we are set to lose a lot of key players (especially on offense) and the schedule is not kind. 

The Oracle 2

December 3rd, 2023 at 10:10 PM ^

If they liked Dante Moore a lot before, I don’t know why they wouldn’t still feel the same way now, especially since he sounds like he realizes he made a mistake and is ready to work to show people who he really is as a QB. He still has the 5 Star talent, so I doubt they’d fail return his interest, if he is interested, just because Davis might not like it.

I think it’s certainly possible McCarthy returns, but it’ll be almost totally based and where it looks like he’d go in the draft. If it looks like he’s not a lock to go in the first 15-20 picks in this loaded QB class, and right now I don’t think he is, the smartest move might be to come back, make some good NIL money, get even better, and improve his position for the 2025 draft. Because he seems to be a smart, mature kid, he might be more willing to look at it that way than another kid might.

Fitz

December 4th, 2023 at 10:13 AM ^

Top 5 picks get 35M+ guaranteed, going 15-25 is ~15M so there is a significant financial different in the short-term. Long-term you can certainly argue that going to a good team will allow you to recoup that money several times over with a longer, more successful career. Plus you wouldn't have to play for a shitty team. You figure the Rams, Seahawks, Vikings, or Saints in that middle tier with older QBs are probably where he'd end up.

Benthom11

December 3rd, 2023 at 9:56 PM ^

Right now, I'd say 2/3 chance JJ stays. So 66.7%

He's likely behind Williams, Maye, Daniels, Penix, Nix. 

The 6th ranked QB has generally been picked in round 3-5. Trask was the highest drafted #6 QB of the last 10 years, with the last pick of the 2nd round.

Tuttle is out of eligibility barring a medshirt. Redshirted 2018 at Utah. Was at IU 2019, 2020 (doesn't count), 2021, 2022. At UM 2023.  Got hurt and only played 1 game in 2022, so maybe he'll get that medshirt and get a 7th year. 

Logan88

December 4th, 2023 at 8:56 AM ^

Agreed. 

The guys currently on the roster (other than JJ) are not inspiring. UM would be looking at a 7-5 or 8-4 season with any of those guys barring massive improvement (which is theoretically possible) over the summer.

Personally, I like Will Howard from Kansas St. He is a grad transfer so no problem with credit transfer, he is a proven multi-year starter on a goodish KSU squad. I think he would be a slightly better version of 2021 Cade McNamara which would probably be good enough to get UM to 10-2 and a playoff berth (no win over OSU or Big 10 title though).

Harmon4Heisman

December 3rd, 2023 at 11:47 PM ^

JJ shouldn't go to the league. Needs to develop more. IMO there are many times when he panics and doesn't "see" the field. Yes he's made some great thread the needle passes under pressure. Many of them have been into coverage and frankly, lucky. Twice yesterday he should've gotten rid of the ball when he was being chased down for a sack. This was a problem brought up earlier in the season even, with people saying he just needs to throw it "into the blue." I think the single play alone of him throwing to a double-covered Roman instead of running the open lane for an easy 1st down shows this. 

Go Blue Beat T…

December 4th, 2023 at 12:56 AM ^

If Tuttle has another year it’s him V Denegal in the spring game and fall camp; only if JJ declares.

 

Tuttle looks like the more polished player, Denegal the more talented athlete. Depends how much of a grip on the position he can pick up between now and then, but Tuttle could have a year 6 Bo Nix type breakout because he was a highly touted guy out of hs too with an interesting transfer record

LBSS

December 4th, 2023 at 10:04 AM ^

I'm rooting for the funniest possible outcome: for McCord to come up here, turn into an unstoppable throw-god, and crush OSU en route to a fourth consecutive B1G title and playoff spot.

westquad1999

December 4th, 2023 at 12:51 PM ^

I think this suggests the transfer portal or Tuttle staying and getting the first crack and running with it. Was an awfully big recruit, and if he's motivated to stay for that sixth year, he might be better than many portal options. 

Fresno State will return a really good offense. Mikey Keene is a future NFL draft pick and as a reshirt sophomore led the MWC in completion percentage and averaged 278 passing yards per game. Decent chance the Bulldogs enter the season ranked. 

rainking

December 4th, 2023 at 7:33 PM ^

PS I think McCarthy returning or not is 100 percent based on how this year plays out. Win out, he's probably gone. Don't win the title, maybe he comes back for the proverbial "unfinished business."

truferblue22

December 5th, 2023 at 11:33 AM ^

I think it will be a transfer. I don't really see JJ coming back; obviously hope I'm wrong for selfish reasons. He, like all of us know, if we're going to win a title THIS is the year, not next year. 

DELRIO1978

December 5th, 2023 at 12:27 PM ^

I am selfish but if I was JJ I would take the NIL of $2 million, give $500,000 to the linemen and work another year with Ben Herbert; I would also add 2% for CJ Carr to wake up and smell the coffee, realizing the Irish rather have a B- portal quarterback than trust him; 

greymarch

December 5th, 2023 at 12:37 PM ^

It wont be JJ (he's going to the NFL, and if doesnt, he's nuts.  He's a first round pick for god's sake), and it wont be a true freshman.

 

I think it's going to be a transfer QB.  Michigan's schedule is so damn tough, and Michigan is losing so many players to the NFL, UM will be desperate for an experienced QB with some talent.

 

Davis cant get UM into the top 12 his freshmen year against that schedule.  Doubt Tuttle could either.

 

#GoBlue

 

UcheWallyWally

December 5th, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^

We won’t get to see it but maybe there will be practice rumblings? The coaches are going to get a hell of look at what they have in Orji over the next month as he plays the roll of Milroe against the starting defense.  If the defense contains Milroe you can expect to hear just about everyone from the coaches to the players make mention of Orji as an unsung hero in there preparation.  Heck if he plays good enough they’re likely to expand the Orji package for the game.  
 

I mentally preparing for JJ to leave in think it’s more like 80% he comes back.  Someone will come threw with a sizeable nil package for him.  He just seems like the kid that’s enjoying college to much.  Don’t neg me but I also think he just needs the work.  Another year of college experience makes his likely hood of success at the next level much higher. 

PAproudtoGoBlue

December 6th, 2023 at 8:44 AM ^

JJ.  He’s only 20. Those other guys going before him in the 2024 draft I  believe are all 23 or 24. My point is he’s not shaving any time off his NFL career and he gets one more year of maturation under Harbaugh and he’s still probably the youngest QB taking in the first round of the 2025 draft.