Amazon All or Nothing Michigan discussion
So I have been waiting for someone to post a discussion thread, and nothing has been posted yet unless I missed it. I know you all binge watched it, don't act like you didn't. So what did you think, did you learn anything you didnt know?
I thought it was great. Very well done, as bad as things went last year I expected this thing to be a terrible watch, I was wrong.
Some things I learned
1. Pep Hmilton was calling most of the plays? I figured he was more involved when Drevno came down from the booth but it seems like he was calling them.
2. Chase Winovich is friggin hilarious. He should be mic'd up every game
3.Wilton Speight did not come off great. Honestly I just don't think I would find him likable even if he was a good qb.
4. Don Brown is even more likable then I thought. The guys personality is awesome. Rare combo of being a really nice guy, funny, and the best D coordinator in the country.
What do you guys think? I don't think they could have done a better job with this special, really a great watch.
Think it's because they're focusing on the QBs and Pep is QB coach and passing game coordinator. He winds up being the featured coach on offense. I mean, I'm on episode 4 and they haven't spoken to an RB or OL at all.
April 12th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
that's all drevno did last year. fucking fistbumping.
the constant harping about drevno by people who don't know shit about shit just never gets old.
Guess I haven't got there yet, just getting through the third episode. I guess the offense on the side lines didn't seem to get pumped up at all and the coaches weren't on the sidelines to actually be teaching.
Nick Baumgardner wrote an article about the series and he wondered if Michigan, per their contract to retain heavy editing rights, purposefully limited the final amount of face time given to Drevno and Frey due to them leaving the program.
hasn't been a real good coach in every stop he has gone. Everything he touches turns into shit. He ruined Andrew Luck at Indy which is hard to do considering he was highly regarded in the NFL. He hasn't done well in previous stops either so knowing is one thing but actually coaching and getting results are an another thing.
Remember Pep calls the passing plays and Drevino calls the running plays. Who got the better result? The running game which is a point in favor of Drevino.
Wait, Luck had his best year when Pep was there.
his worst year at Indy when he was the coach. I would argue that 2016 was his best year and that was without Pep. Too bad that he was out last season with a shoulder injury.
Our run blocking was pretty good. Our pass pro was atrocious. That's STILL on Drevno.
There are productive offense that has good passing game that has shitty OL blocking. That's still on Pep
You would of thought we'd eventually stop with the longer developing pass plays and focus primarily on very quick routes to mitigate poor OL play and make our QB play simpler.
49ers 2006:
Alex Smith < 60%, 16 TDs, 16 INTs
Bears 2007-2009
Griese: 61.5%, 10 TDs, 12 INTs
Grossman: <60%, 4 TDs, 7 INTs
Orton: < 60%, 18 TDs, 12 INTs
Cutler: 60.5%, 27 TDs, 26 INTs
Stanford 2011-2012
Andrew Luck: 71.3%, 37 TDs, 10 INTs
Nunes: < 60%, 10 TDs, 7 INTs
Hogan: 71.7%, 9 TDs, 3 INTs
Colts: 2013-2015
DVOA: 13th, 17th and 30th
Browns 2016
DVOA 30th
Not good. Luck was a Senior and a bondafide prospect by then.
Also, Speight played like an All-B1G the season before and regressed badly the next season. That's on Pep
Speight was really good last season and regressed big time the following season. Pep is the one who is coaching up QBs. JOK was worse and Peters isn't better than Speight.
I would bet that Jed Fisch would've maximized the QBs ability last season if he was still the coach at Michigan.
I'm sorry but I don't think Speight was the same after the Iowa game. What I saw at the beginning of the 2017 season looked about the same to me as what I saw at the end of the 2016 season.
In the 7 games he played (inlcuding Iowa & Purdue), 3 to close out 2016 and 4 to start 2017 he never had a QBR over 42.6. Prior to the Iowa game he had 7 games with a QBR of 73.4 or above with 5 in the nineties (including MSU).
April 16th, 2018 at 10:18 PM ^
Add the stats of the year immediate preceding and the year immediately following the years that Pep was there. These QBs (outside of Luck and maybe Hogan) were still shitty. In several instances they were more shitty the year before and after Pep left: Smith, Greise and a few others. So this doesn't show much. Do you think if Steve Kerr went to the Lakers they would be good? Hell, we already have that experiment. Luke Walton was the best coach (record-wise) the year he sat in for an injured Kerr. Walton ended up coaching the all-star game. His record has been shit at the Lakers. Is he a bad coach or does he have bad players?
So what was edited out of Chase's call to the lineman opposite him:
"Block me! BLOCK ME!"
(TFL)
(walking back and passing the lineman)
"I TOLD you to block me!"
Maybe my favorite moment of the show so far. Any swear words deleted?
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Speight came off as a spoiled kid who cared way too much about the media. Acted like a big shot when he should have been more concerned about his game.
I disagree about O'Korn. To me, it seemed like he really cared and desperately wanted to do well. I genuinely feel bad that he got so much hate.
...was saying he was better than Speight, on camera, he never even came close to what Speight did in the early part of the 2016 season. Confidence is one thing but excessive, unsubstantiated confidence looks like arrogance.
Wilton really is the embodiment of rich white guy with all the privilege in the world without knowing it. Yikes.
JOK's cockiness is just pointless given his lack of production.
Peters, you there bro?
Caff, Shea and Milton can't get to work quick enough. Addition by subtraction might actually be a thing with Speight and JOK.
Harbaugh needs to work on his pregame/motivational speeches. No wonder the team comes out flat on offense.
How the f*** does a football documentary give you powers to see Speight's life story and how "priviliged" he is/was? He's from Richmond Virginia, not exactly the epicenter of rich whiteness. And what the hell does his race have to do with his arrogance? What an ignorant comment.
lol triggered much?
Save your comment for the people calling Speight a whiny bitch in this thread.
Your insecurities are showing.
Maybe this is one of the reasons the defense is so much better than the offense.
The defense is cohesive and has a leader. The offense . . . not so much.
needs to take some pointers from John. You could tell immediately that John Harbaugh knows how to motivate players.
don brown's speeches are epic. coach harbaugh came off as a family guy and one who definitely cares for his players, but some of the speeches were weird. not sure how holding a baby downstairs is like football? i dunno, it just seemed weird to me. felt like john and jack were better at getting the vibes right before a game.
best part of the show was karan and his daughter. what an outstanding young man.
I agree, Harbaugh did not come off as a great motivator.
However, I do think he came off as a good teacher. I think he is good at getting conceptual points across. The baby thing was wierd, but I understood what he meant about the importance of keeping the ball.
The scene where he was teaching the guy to snap the ball I think showed how good of a teacher he was in just getting across the fundamentals of how to do something.
Show me the time when Speight ever lit it up. Even most often when the defense didn't give him games on the silver platter, he pissed them away. Kid is spoiled chump with a non winning mentality. Just doesn't have it or developed it. If Speight is under center against ND I'm not watching it. I know what he's capable of and what the outcome of the season will be already.
Gained some respect for Pep. I’m more enthused about having him come back next year.
This show is already one of my favorite shows on tv right up with Game of Thrones. My GF has actually been watching it with me and really enjoying it too.
Pep was lietrally feeding Speight the little pep talk lines to use on his players. How does Speight not kno, just from watching his predecessors, what kinds of things a QB needs to say to his fellow players?
Clearly the best QB? He struggled against Florida, Cincinatti, Air Force, and Purdue. How the hell does he win 2-3 more games?