Bracketology: 5 Seed/Midwest

Submitted by uncle leo on

Lunardi has moved us up to a 5 seed in the newest version:

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

And before everyone yells at me about Bracket Matrix. It hasn't been updated to account for yesterday's victory yet.

I do believe CBS's version has been updated, and still has Michigan at 7.

 

I would be a'ok with that region. Tennessee as the 4, Xavier as the 1.

TrueBlue2003

February 19th, 2018 at 12:45 PM ^

would happen if we won our next two and won at least two in the BTT.

If we win our next two, those are both Q1 road games, plus it would (likely) lock us into 4 seed, which means two more wins in the BTT would be over Nebraska and MSU.  That would definitely, 100% be enough to get us a 4-seed.

I think we'd even get it if Nebraska also won out, we still got the 5 seed, and beat Iowa/Illinois and Nebraska but lost to MSU.

These next two road games are difficult and will be huge resume boosters if we get them. Even if we split them, we'd be looking good for a 6 seed if we get to the BTT semis.

 

TrueBlue2003

February 19th, 2018 at 6:00 PM ^

about the B1G as a conference or its overall strength.

It cares about our resume and we would have a very good one if that scenario played out. Remember, we've played a very difficult conference schedule since we played Purdue and OSU twice, and played at MSU, Maryland, PSU and Nebraska.  We played road games against the top 6 teams in the conference.

mfan_in_ohio

February 19th, 2018 at 9:41 AM ^

We'd have to pass either Purdue or MSU. So we'd probably have to win the BTT and have one of those teams flame out over the next two weeks. Also we'd have to have Xavier get sent to Nashville. More likely, even if the next two weeks go well, we'd get sent to Boise, San Diego, or Wichita, which is ok because those would be mostly neutral sites, except for San Diego vs. Arizona.

mfan_in_ohio

February 19th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^

So Purdue would have to be bad enough to not get Detroit but good enough to kick UNC or Auburn out of Nashville. Hard to see that happening. Also West Lafayette is about an hour closer to Detroit than to Nashville. It's a much bigger difference than what Xavier would have. Speaking of Cinci teams, I left them out, but we'd have to finish ahead of them too. It just looks like Detroit is out. There are too many good teams fighting for those two spots.

The Man Down T…

February 19th, 2018 at 1:31 PM ^

Money.  UNC, Duke, Wake, NC State, UNCC all have rabid as hell fans.  Even when their teams are poor they show up and scream.  And they all hate each other so they'll show up to the other games to scream against the others. There won't be many empty seats, if any.  Ratings will be huge in the region as well.

 

As a side note, I enjoyed the heck out of UM's last trip to Charlotte.  I took the kids out of school and we went. We pounded Tennessee, I think, then lost to Duke on a last second miss.  Kids loved it, I loved it and we'll do it again if they ever come to North Carolina again. 

TrueBlue2003

February 19th, 2018 at 1:38 PM ^

we definitely don't have to pass Purdue. West Lafayette is barely closer to Detroit than Nashville (275 miles to 350).

Xavier or Cinci could go to Pittsburgh if we get a 4 seed (same distance for them to go there or Nashville or Detroit).  We would probably still be in Detroit if we get a 4 seed.  Too close to home for the NCAA not to want to sell those tickets.  They probably aren't going to send us 20 times further from home just so another team can make a 275 mile trip instead of a 350 mile trip.

funkywolve

February 19th, 2018 at 10:15 AM ^

What are you using to say UM is head and shoulders above Bama, Missou and Creighton?  Right or wrong, the NCAA puts a lot of stock in RPI.  I know the NCAA is going to the quadrant format this year but I don't have the time to break everything down into the quandrants.

UM - RPI 28, SOS - 81, NCSS - 273, record against RPI 1-25 is 2-4, 25-50 is 1-0 and 51-100 is 2-2.  Overall record against RPI top 100 is 5-6

Bama - RPI 32, SOS - 14, NCSS - 28, RPI 1-25 is 4-3, 25-50 is 1-0, 51-100 is 6-5.  Overall recrod against RPI top 100 is 11-8.

Mssouri - RPI 23.  SOS - 22, NCSS - 76.  RPI 1-25 is 3-3, 25-50 is 1-2, 51-100 is 6-3.  Overall record against RPI top 100 is 10-8.

Creighton - RPI 34, SOS - 55, NCSS - 230, RPI 1-25 is 1-4, 26-50 is 3-3, 51-100 is 3-1.  Overall record against RPI 100 is 7-8.

Dan84

February 19th, 2018 at 12:39 PM ^

But this leaves out a good bit of information about the teams. For example, Alabama is 17-10, and Missouri is 17-9 with a home loss to Illinois. Creighton's record is better, but their best win, RPI-wise, is Seton Hall, followed by Providence.

Of course, this is all immaterial, since the committee weighs "What's the best narrative to have people talking about the tournament?" far above all of this, but, on the merits, Michigan should have those teams beat, at least at the moment.

funkywolve

February 20th, 2018 at 12:08 AM ^

the NCAA puts a ton of emphasis on records.  Obviously it's a factor but I think they look at overall resume to see how that record was achieved.  It's one of the reasons why MSU is seeded 3rd in the first release even though they have a better record then some of the teams with better seeds.

Alabama and Missouri have played about 66% of their games against teams in the RPI 100.  UM has only played 37% of their games against teams in the RPI 100.  

MH20

February 19th, 2018 at 9:38 AM ^

Some updates on the RPI of our opponents, specifically ones on the brink of dropping quadrants.

 

Nebraska is currently 60 so they'd probably have to lose both their remaining regular season games to fall below 75, which is highly unlikely considering they're both at home. A bigger threat to drop, IMO, is Maryland, currently 67th. Their remaining schedule is difficult: @ NW and home vs. Michigan. A decent chance they go 1-1 (that's what KP predicts) and it's not crazy to see them losing both games (although McIntosh may still be out for NW)

 

Your point about Iowa [lost at home to IU on Saturday, current RPI of 157, potentially dropping to 160+] is valid and a real bummer. IU is locked into Q3 for Michigan since it was at home so they could've dropped 40+ spots and still been in the same quadrant. Iowa at home is on the cusp of being Michigan's 10th Q4 victory, i.e. basically useless.

 

Another team that I had hopes for that hasn't come through for Michigan is VCU. They've been mostly a dumpster fire since Maui, bottoming out in both RPI (136) and KP (158(!) after a 24-points loss to 11-15 GWU). Was hopeful they could have a decent year and find themselves in the top-100 to give Michigan a Q2 win

 

Lastly, Wisconsin is currently 134 (Q2 road cutoff is 135), so...I know we like to hate the Badgers' awful style of play and former coach, but we really want them to win out. If they could steal a Senior Day victory over MSU, that would be tremendous.

AC1997

February 19th, 2018 at 9:46 AM ^

In the immortal words of Mitch McGary - Win the Game!  

I could see a 1-1 finish for Michigan, which would be slightly annoying but understandable.  If there's a way we could get Nebraska in the BTT that would be great because I'd like to stomp them for another "solid" win and revenge.  

There has been too much chaos this season to accurately predict seeds ahead of time.  (42 upsets of top 10 teams by unranked teams)  Michigan you'd think would be off the 8/9 line barring a losing streak to end the season and that's the most important thing.  

bklein09

February 19th, 2018 at 1:51 PM ^

Isn’t it just about guaranteed that we’ll get to play Nebraska in the BTT? That’s assuming we don’t lose our first game if we end up the 5.

With PSU losing last night, I think Michigan and Nebraska are locked into the 4/5. Just the order that needs to be determined.

TrueBlue2003

February 19th, 2018 at 2:52 PM ^

that we're locked into a 4/5 matchup with Nebraska.

But still a 18% chance that we lose a tiebreaker with PSU for the 5 and end up with the 6 seed.  What would have to happen:

PSU beats M (62% chance)

PSU beats Nebraska (50% chance)

Maryland beats M (57% chance)

Whole Milk

February 19th, 2018 at 10:48 AM ^

I'm curious what the comparative odds are with both. I would assume predicting the bracket would be easier, but I could be wrong. Selecting 68 teams in their exact spot is very difficult, but with each team realistically having about 12 spots to be placed, it makes it easier, especially with the regional situation as well.

tlo2485

February 19th, 2018 at 10:58 AM ^

Lunardi for some reason seems to be predicting final seeding rather than current. Last week he had us where we would likely be with a win vs. OSU. Now he has us where we would probably be with a strong finish and at least an appearance in the BTT Semis, which isnt an unrealistic bet. Or he just likes Michigan. There seems to be a lot of chatter this year, and growing every year, about how strong we are in post season tournaments. This type of reputation could help our seed more and more if we keep it up.

Whole Milk

February 19th, 2018 at 11:15 AM ^

I, for one, hope this is not the case. I'm all for what is best for Michigan, but determining seeding based on prior years' teams success in the tournament is similar to Alabama automatically getting a spot in the CFP when their resume doesn't deserve it. Have to base the seed off of this years team, not the accolades of Burke, Stauskas, or Walton.

smwilliams

February 19th, 2018 at 11:13 AM ^

FWIW, on Bart Torvik's site, if we win out (wins at Penn St., at Maryland, win the BTT), we end up a 3 seed.

If we lose out (losses at Penn St/Maryland, lose to Iowa or Illinois in the first round of the BTT) we end up a 11 seed, but not in a play-in game.

My guess is we end up in the 6-7 range.