OT: New Way to Lose for Lions
Tate scores go ahead TD with 0:08s to go, but is ruled down just shy of goal ine. Because it was reviewed with less than 0:10s remaining in the game, a 10s runoff is in effect, ending the game. Unbelievable. How many different ways can this team lose a game?
September 24th, 2017 at 4:44 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^
Would have been 10 because a couple seconds ran off before they stopped it. I've seen Stafford get everyone organized and run a sneak in that time.
September 24th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^
It would've been close, but to say no way at all is stretching it. I mean, one one thousand, two one thousand, three one thousand...
It's possible the Lions could've rush back and gotten a snap off at the half second mark between one and zero.
September 24th, 2017 at 5:05 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:20 PM ^
last season. Stafford made a 30 yard completion with 9 seconds left and got the ball off with 2 seconds left.
To say, they would not have done it is presumptious. Lions absolutely have one chance left to play to win the game.
September 24th, 2017 at 5:27 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 4:45 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 4:53 PM ^
I try to avoid kissing anytime I engage in behavior like that. Do I look like I want HPV in my mouth/throat ? No thank you !!!!
September 24th, 2017 at 4:46 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 4:48 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 4:56 PM ^
How does the NFL design a rule entirely that bases the outcome of a game by the referee judgement on the field? If they don't call TD, then no review, no run off. Of course then it'd have to somehow take less than 8 seconds for the refs and the players to set up again for the next play, but then to avoid all of these non-football related things deciding the result of a game, DON'T HAVE A FUCKING RUN OFF. How about if there's 10 or less seconds in the game, the clock goes to 0:00 and the offense gets one play. The timing to spot the ball is not the players' responsibility, so in any case what's most "fair" is to give the benefit of the doubt to the players and not the refs.
September 24th, 2017 at 4:51 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:01 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:31 PM ^
Anything is fair game behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive holding and pass interference can still be called less than five yards downfield - you can't tackle a guy two yards downfield; if you could that would be the best defense against any pass play.
September 24th, 2017 at 10:22 PM ^
There is no pass interference penalty behind the line of scrimmage, but they will still call holding.
Of course, that wouldn't apply to tackling the back on a play action fake.
September 24th, 2017 at 4:52 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 4:54 PM ^
Good point ! That was an awful call to bail out the Lions......But to be fair, that OP on Jones was also awful.
September 24th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:00 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:08 PM ^
Did you ever watch Jourdan Lewis play at UofM ? If you have great coverage you should be able to get away with a little tugging. Plus the so called hold was not involved in the play.
September 24th, 2017 at 4:55 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 4:57 PM ^
Because of course in NFC East land we want to see the Eagles, not two 2-0 teams.
T'any rate, the replay call sounds as egregious as it looked on the NFL.com game summary. I get there can be reasonable disagreements on whether he was down, but WTF is there 10 second run off for a replay?! Last time I checked, the clock doesn't run when the ref is under the hood. Why does every strange, non-sensical rule have to bit the Lions in the ass?
September 24th, 2017 at 4:58 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
It's a long season. Lions are still looking good and we have a shot at making the playoffs and potentially winning the division
September 24th, 2017 at 6:45 PM ^
September 24th, 2017 at 5:00 PM ^
New twist ya'll. Even IF his knee was down, and even IF it was conclusive to change the call on the field, there were 11 seconds left on the clock when Tate was "down", which the refs should've readjusted the game clock to. So with math... WE'D HAVE ONE SECOND FOR A SNAP.
September 24th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 5:02 PM ^
You have 1st and goal at the 1, and you DON'T try a run play? Not even once? How about a QB sneak, with everyone ending the play standing right in formation to run the next play if Stafford doesn't get in.
September 24th, 2017 at 5:03 PM ^
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September 24th, 2017 at 5:21 PM ^
as it happened. But if he wasn't touched before crossing the goal line with the ball, why would it matter whether Tate's knee or elbow was down before the ball crossed the plane of the goal line. I mean there is a contradiction in going down when you make a catch elsewhere on the field and then are not touched down. In those circumstances, the clock isn't stopped until the whistle is blown.
The argument here is that because the play was reviewed and it became a dead ball situation because it had to be reviewed, the play now goes from a live ball to a dead ball situation punishing the defense because the offense gets another chance to run a play without the benefit of a timeout.
But the Lions didn't stop the clock, the officials stopped play for an official review of a TD call. If the call isn't reviewed, it's ruled a TD and the Falcons have 8 seconds left to make a play to win.
The rule application is based on the contention that this is only a technical dead ball call, and that stopping the clock for a review of any kind ought not to give the offense additional time to line up before the clock resumes. But if there is a penalty on either team, the same issue would apply. The clock is stopped and the penalty would be marked off closer or farther away from the goal line with the clock stopped before the ball is put back in play allowing both sides to line up.
The defense benefits when it fouls in the endzone because the foul prevents a possible catch and score. And this penalty is especially beneficial in the last seconds regardless of how close the ball is placed ner the goal line, because the issue is as much about time as opportunity to score no matter where the ball is placed.
And in this case the Lions were punished for making a successful play that was called a TD and then overturned. Because of that, the run-off should be overturned as well. The Lions weren't given a chance to make another play call because the officials took that chance away with their own call, not the Lions failure to convert. The conversion was overturned.
September 24th, 2017 at 6:18 PM ^
Sorry, he was short. :( pic.twitter.com/prY8hYGtPf
— TheMan DownTheHall (@TMDTH1) September 24, 2017
September 24th, 2017 at 6:31 PM ^
You can't see his knee touching the ground. It is blocked by a Falcon player's helmet.
September 24th, 2017 at 6:44 PM ^
September 25th, 2017 at 3:16 AM ^
Is how do you know he is being touched? If you watch the full play the defender taps Tate on the shoulder when the ball is over the goal plane. From a 2-D freeze frame you do not know if Tate was being touched. I told my wife, normally they would count the TD because it would be considered indisputable from the call on the field. But I told her since it is the Lions, that they will over turn it and the Lions would lose. Bingo!
September 24th, 2017 at 5:16 PM ^
Here's another thing I just noticed. At the time of his knee being down with the defender touching him, there was 11 seconds left in the game. It's not the lions fault the clock operator let the clock run for an additional 3 seconds. Lions could have lined up in anticipation of a play with 1 second left and ran a play.