Fire John Beilein
January 12th, 2017 at 11:50 AM ^
Nothing to do with race. That was also a comment about coaches and dirty recruiting which came out previously. When people in Chicagoland and Detroit were asked about their perception of the Wolverines, it was reported the perception is M plays "white boy basketball" and thus one of the reasons why big time recruits don't go there (the other reason was Michigan doesn't pay players -- the same discussion even suggested Duke and Sparty did; which I found interesting)
January 11th, 2017 at 11:42 PM ^
Are we even a basketball school? Honest question...Who comes here and does a better job than what he has. Clearly his system has grown stagnant and recruiting leaves much to be desired, but based on our past 25 years of performance
1) who is a realistic replacement at this point?
2) What is a realistic expectation for the program?
Again, just to be clear - I am not saying Belein is untouchable or we don't need change. I think he did a great job lifting the program for a few years but obviously the lack of elite, or even good recruiting has decimated the program. I am honestly asking where do we go from here and what can we realistically expect given the past quarter century.
January 11th, 2017 at 11:54 PM ^
but yeah, jus not feeling it (n' i don't give an eff if this is feelingsball) w/ this team. I want to root for them, and try to work something up, but in my heart of hearts, I just can't. It's like there's nothing there.
Beilein was soooo close.
Now, seems like he's tired, has just run out of steam...
...and I don't think that's necessarily an age thing. He might be able to step away & recover.
But right now, yeah. Jus doesn't seem to have it in him, now.
I do think, though, that he's earned the dignity of not being publicly fired. There are many ways to achieve a parting of ways.
January 12th, 2017 at 12:15 AM ^
Well I'm just sick of seeing the best university in the Midwest and pretty much the northern half of the United States having a shitty basketball team. Michigan has the resources. I grew up watching and knowing that they had good teams in all sports pretty much. Indiana is the only team I thought that had Michigan's number in the past. Now it's every team. Need to lay down the law guys. Beilein has got to go. Bring in the big hire and pay him money. There is nothing else to do in the winter. Basketball is the second best sport. All real men know this. Even though they are a bunch of pumpkin pushers. Hell, even the people that hate the Wolverines like to see them highly ranked, competing and then hopefully losing. Michigan is needed. Their relevance is needed by all.
January 12th, 2017 at 12:21 AM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 12:36 AM ^
I am going out on a limb and say that the old man has one more major comeback in him.
I paid for seven tickets at Saturday's Maryland game and still say give the old man this year and next to pull it out of the fire.
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January 12th, 2017 at 12:49 AM ^
without getting dirty in the process?
January 12th, 2017 at 12:51 AM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 1:28 AM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 2:15 AM ^
That is inexcusable. Recruiting is part of the job, so do it. Simple as that.
January 12th, 2017 at 8:50 AM ^
You are right. Harbaugh does it big time. He does not view it as beneath him or somehow corrupt. It's part of the job.
January 12th, 2017 at 8:17 AM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 12:56 AM ^
Beilein coming to MIchigan was the best thing ever to happen. . .to West Virginia. Look at them now. Funny that Beilein came to Michigan because he thought it would be eaiser to win here, yet Huggins has a better record, same number of Final Fours, more Sweet 16. . .
Beilein thought WVA was holding him back! Mr. Humble and Down-to-Earth in reality is arrogant. And he was holding WVA back, just like he is holding Michigan back.
January 12th, 2017 at 12:57 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 7:33 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 8:51 AM ^
Hatter's house.
January 12th, 2017 at 1:14 AM ^
Honestly I think he's a damn good coach who does more with less talent than some of these high profile coaches. I hate to say it but he cant seem to close the deal on the elite recruits who can take the program to a perennial powerouse but no one can deny that he can coach kids up to compete with those guys.
He probably won't ever out-recruit Sparty, OSU, and Indiana, so he will remain (just) competitive until he gets More Trey Burkes, McGarys, Robinsons, Hardeways or Stauskas' to play for the good guys. Michigan is to football what Duke, Kansas or Kentucky is to basketball. None of these schools have great success in football because they are die-hard committed basketball schools and I think Michigan might be the same way.
We have had some great success in basketball over the years but I dont think we care enough that he's not consistently elite, as long as our football is. The real question is, do you roll the dice and fire a damn good coach who struggles a bit recruiting and possibly wind up with a guy who can't coach but can recruit or do we continue to be who we have always been, Michigan the great football school that occasionally makes a championship basketball run?
If you fire him, it better be for the homerun coach who can do both (like Harbaugh). If that guy isn't out there, and we're not committed, leave him alone and enjoy your football. PERIOD!!!
January 12th, 2017 at 2:05 AM ^
...who is a grade A recruiter and decent coach? As long as the team is better, wing games and making runs at titles, then who cares. Assuming everything is clean.
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January 12th, 2017 at 8:21 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 8:42 AM ^
We are literally out recruited by 3/4ths of the Big Ten. Are you saying those teams all cheat?
January 24th, 2017 at 9:42 AM ^
Lol in what world are you living?
A cursory glance at the rankings indicates have recuriting top 6 in the big ten the last 5 years except 2015 where we took 1 palyer
January 12th, 2017 at 11:48 AM ^
I'm with you but who is the magical figure you speak of that can coach his ass off and can recruit against coach K and win?????
January 12th, 2017 at 12:13 PM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 1:37 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 8:44 AM ^
Be careful what we wish for? Running a basketball program is not remotely close to running a football team.
1 player... that's right, 1 player can make the difference. One recruiting class can INSTANTLY elevate your program. Back to Back good recruiting classes will have you in the hunt for a conference title. (See JB).
Be careful what you wish for... haha. If we rehired Amaker, it would be an upgrade right now. That's how far off the cliff JB has fallen in every aspect of his duties.
January 12th, 2017 at 11:39 AM ^
No.
Carr was clearly past his sell by date. Carr also contributed to the dysfunction in the Michigan family after his retirement. He milked that split NC for all it was worth by getting a free pass regarding lazy recruiting, running shit offenses (Mike Hart into the line), and his impact on the coaching search.
RR's tenure exposed what was going on.
It's time to take off the blinders. Red needs to go too!
January 12th, 2017 at 3:06 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 8:43 AM ^
Its time for JB to Go..Ive been a Long time staunch supporter but the Iowa game was my last straw...Then the last 2 games of complete lack of intensity grit emotion and the complete disaster that has been Irvin and MOAR Walton and Robinson has been painful to watch...TIME FOR A CHANGE
January 12th, 2017 at 8:45 AM ^
having JB continue goes against the ethos of excellence, leaders and best...etc.
he has had ample chances and his recruiting, coaching are not producing results
how incongruent to have the excellence of Harbaugh adjacent to JB's mediocrity. unacceptable
January 12th, 2017 at 8:47 AM ^
It's time, Hes a great guy but its time to run into the sunset. This is alot like West Virginia where after he got that program handled, it went down and he went to Michigan.Problem is not the offensive coaching, problem is recruiting and defense.Did not take advantage one bit of the NCAA runner up we got in 2013 in terms of recruiting.Scared to recruit the inner city and cannot recruit big.New assistants not cutting it. too predictable now. I like Coach B but the writing is on the wall
Need to make a huge splash with a new coach
January 12th, 2017 at 9:11 AM ^
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January 12th, 2017 at 10:06 AM ^
We are 15th in the country in points per possession. The offense - although it might not look ideal - is doing fine, especially considering the talent on the team. The defense is what is killing us. Allowing too many open threes and too many easy drives. We would have to have a a UCLA type offense to make up for the defense.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:44 AM ^
January 12th, 2017 at 8:48 AM ^
it's hard to admit, but JB is a mediocre-plus coach. Career win percentage is around 62% - UM win percentage almost exactly the same. Really good coaches get into the 70+% win percentage. He's just not in that league, doesn't matter why.
If we are OK with middle of the big ten, he's our guy.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:24 AM ^
My feelings about this team, even over the last couple of seasons, were that we could beat anybody at anytime, and also lose to anybody at anytime. That played out, too, with some great upsets (Maryland/IU last season), and dumbfounding losses (NJIT/EMU in 2014-15).
Now it seems we can only lose to anybody at anytime, with very little shot at sustaining enough solid play to actually pull an upset off, or beat a team of equal caliber.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:26 AM ^
Can we start wearing paper bags to Crisler and chanting Fire Beilein yet?
January 12th, 2017 at 10:21 AM ^
No way. Michigan fans should never do that. It will show that we never deserved Beilien in the first place. This season is not going so hot and while there's still time to turn it around the trajectory does not look good. I think Coach Beilein should retire but I think the fan base should be very cautious with how they voice their displeasure. Wearing paper bags a la Jets or Browns fans is not the way. That would be ridiculous and for more embarassing for the program than the team on the court.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:31 AM ^
College basketball is more corrupt than doing business in Russia. The reality is to win consistantly you have to cheat badly. Some folks said Beilein is afraid to recruit the inner city. Do we want Beilein to cultivate an array of shadowy boosters to take care of our star players? I would rather lose and be clean. For everyone else to win consistantly means everything has to work out perfectly. Unlike college football where you have a turnover of 25-30 players and 75 scholarships if a few players do not turn out you are doomed. Michigan is struggling because a group of individuals never were able to expand their games beyond what they were. The next group of people it might turn out. Remember the first few Beilein teams also struggled. Unfortunately, I cannot guarantee that along with 80% of the rest of college basketball.
So before we fire Beilein who do you think is going to come coach here that is better? Are we going to find some individual who has a hot team, perhaps go in time and fire 2017 Beilein and replace with 2013 Beilein? MSU is probably going to have another rough year next year in football. I'm sure the same thing will happen up in East Lansing in that MSU fans will be calling for Dantonio's head.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:32 AM ^
I'm indifferent. I don't think JB is getting it done but firing him isn't a panacea. We could easily hire someone far worse.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:38 AM ^
All you Beilein defenders are ridiculous.
It's his 10th year at the program with a veteran team and they are the worst team in the Big Ten.
That's unacceptable for a program with Michigan's history and goals for excellence.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^
Except he has the 2nd most wins of any Michigan coach ever and will pass Orr, possibly this year.
I think his prime is behind him and he should retire but I don't think it's wise for this fanbase to say 'fire his ass' after tremendous service to the program and the university.
January 12th, 2017 at 2:57 PM ^
Unfortunately, big-time college sports are ultimately about wins and losses. Sure, we don't want to be ethically challenged but there's a time when someone just loses it and needs to go because they can't get the job done anymore. I don't think Beilein has it in him anymore and that's why the recent teams look the way they do. It happens in sports and it happens everywhere else. People just can't operate at the highest levels indefinitely. It happens in corporations and firms too. Sooner or later the old alpha male isn't the alpha male anymore.
January 12th, 2017 at 11:33 AM ^
Worse than Rutgers? Ouch!
January 12th, 2017 at 9:47 AM ^
It's like a beakup that hasn't happened yet but the relationship is essentially over - time to move on.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:53 AM ^
No. Let him go out with a gracious retirement after the season. Maybe you can steer him a little in that direction, but don't fire him. That's not how you treat a guy who has turned your program around and raised expectations while doing it with the utmost class.
January 12th, 2017 at 9:59 AM ^
Is the right way to do it.
January 12th, 2017 at 10:02 AM ^
He's not going to get fired midseason. Won't happen.
He's got the rest of the season to turn it around and have a 2010-11 like season. Started conference player 1-6 that season and ended up making the tournament and almost beat Duke. Trouble is, our offense has really peaked IMO. I think it's as good as it's gonna get. Play defense like we did at the beginning of the season and we might have a chance.
If we don't make the tournament, I'm fine with letting him go.