Mr Miggle

September 9th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

There is an element of fairness and it's nice for a player like Davis, but there are a finite number of scholarships and that means someone else is being left out. Just in terms of education, I don't think those extra years lead to many more graduate degrees. I'd rather see another kid get a good shot at college. Maybe 6th year players who don't earn a masters could impact a school's APR.

On the field, I can't help but feel there's a downside to having even more 5th and 6th year players competing with true freshmen.

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Maize Craze

September 9th, 2016 at 11:44 AM ^

Really can't believe the NCAA fell for MSU's campaigning. Somewhere Mario Ojemudia is shaking his head. I am proud that we don't campaign for this type of stuff like D'Antonio does though.



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Tex_Ind_Blue

September 9th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^

It would be helpful to find out how they pulled it off. I would be interested to know how my rivals run their businesses so I can glean something useful for me. 

UofM AD should send some flowers to the MSU AD and invite them for a chat on "How to convince NCAA to grant sixth year eligibility".  

Nothing to hate or get angry about. Just trying to know how to run a business. Effectively.

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csmhowitzer

September 9th, 2016 at 12:15 PM ^

All I take this to mean is that the NCAA interprets rules differently than what is spelled out in their rulebook. 

We all assumed it meant exactly as it was typed out. So no, he wouldn't get a 6th. But obviously they kinda just wing it when it comes to rulings. So oh well. 

Hopefully the week they play us their library will hand out vouchers for free school supplies.

TL;DR Meh, cool. He gets another year. Good for him. NCAA is still NCAA.

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wahooverine

September 9th, 2016 at 11:53 AM ^

This has been talked about a lot.  Is Ed Davis a game changer?  Is he even a starter? or is this just a depth issue.  If he was denied a 6th year would he have been drafted?   I need to know these things before I decide my outrage level.

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m_go_T

September 9th, 2016 at 12:28 PM ^

He is older than most NFL rookies.  Bottom line, MSU failed this kid.  The fact that it took him more than five full years of year round school to graduate  should raise some concerns.  Remember they start in the summer semester before most freshmen start, making it five years and a semester.

What is more concerning is who convinced him to stay for his sixth year?  I mean, clearly someone had to lie about what his contributions were to the scout team in order to get him that sixth year of eligibility.  They obviously were going to use it as a woah is me rallying cry if it didn't fail, or get one of their top two defensive players.  It was a win win for the program, but a big loss for Ed Davis if it didn't work out.  

If only there were a local newspaper willing to dig deeper.  

 

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Has-Been

September 9th, 2016 at 1:18 PM ^

This board's reaction to a kid getting a 6th year is ridiculous and predictable.

Davis has an injury - however minor - early in his freshman year, and he and the coaches agree that he will redshirt.  He recovers enough to practice (and practice well) before the end of the year, but they elect not to play him due to medical redshirt status - which does not prohibit practicing (or practicing well) after recovering.

Misses entire 5th year with ACL injury.

Graduates in August, and MSU's "campaign" is to fill out the requisite paperwork for a 6th year.  

NCAA reviews facts in a vacuum, without regard for MGoBlueblogboard's strenuous objections.

Meltdown ensues.  "who?"  "we don't care"  "it's not fair"  "MSU campaigned"  "rules don't apply to MSU"  "waaaaaah"

For the few of you who at least appreciate that the kid gets a do-over on a lost 5th year, I commend you.  I would hope that a Wolverine player would get the same treatment, if his staff is smart enough to use a medical redshirt for his freshman year.  

God bless you all, and good luck this year - not that you need it.

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BigBlue02

September 9th, 2016 at 1:45 PM ^

Lol, yes, Dantonio was smart enough to know a minor injury 5 years ago would help Davis out after he needed a legitimate redshirt for a torn ACL. Fucking clairvoyant that Dantonio is. Also, I think you're confusing a 6th year with a 5th year. If dantonio decided at the beginning of his freshman year he was redshirting, then the injury had nothing to do with that. It's a regular redshirt. But yeah, go Dantonio for lying about him being injured. So proud of that MSU staff

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Has-Been

September 9th, 2016 at 3:43 PM ^

When a freshman gets hurt and you apply for a medical redshirt instead of a regular redshirt, it's neither malpheasance today, nor clairvoyance for a blown ACL 4 years later.  It's just smart, and I'd guess that Harbaugh will (and does) do the same.  

You all want Harbaugh to do ANYTHING possible for UM to win.  I expect that he will and you will laud him for it.  God forbid that someone else use NCAA rules (or lack of) to their advantage.  Does Jim get that MO all to himself?  You all have twice the football staff to help wherever and however possible - including hiring recruits' parents for some creative jobs.  Hey, if it's legal...

And so what that it took Davis 5 years to graduate. I imagine that your football program's grad rate - as well as grad in 4 years rate - is no better or worse than MSU's.  It took me 4 plus one term because I worked through school.  I assume you all graduated in four years flat?  C'mon, man.

I came over here for some reaction and analysis - hell I enjoy a little diatribe and debate - but mostly I'm seeing hypocrisy.  Ask yourself when looking at Ed Davis: WWHD? (what would Harbaugh do?)

 

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Maison Bleue

September 9th, 2016 at 5:03 PM ^

Dantonio regular redshirted him his freshman year and because he had to medical last year, is now claiming he redshirted him his freshman year because of injury and that is complete BS. It is actually an NCAA violation if he lied about the injury, which IMO he did. The NCAA is just too stupid to realize it. The kid should have gone pro, but Dantonio talked him into staying for a hopeful sixth year for IMO selfish reasons. Luckily for Davis it was granted. At least that's the way I see it.

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BigBlue02

September 9th, 2016 at 5:05 PM ^

What in the actual fuck are you taking about. I really don't give two fucks if Harbaugh would lie about an injury, and if he did, I would think it was shitty. Since in this scenario, we would get a player back to play again,I would think that was good. I'm fine with Davis getting a sixth year. We are going to run a train on MSU either way, so the more the merrier. What I was commenting on was your ridiculous claim that a freshman having a small injury and coming back to practice is the same thing as taking a medical redshirt. Dantonio didn't think he was going to use his freshman year as a medical redshirt because he didn't know Davis was going to need an actual medical redshirt year for a torn ACL. You don't get a medical redshirt year for a minor injury that you come back from in a couple weeks, one that is so minor that you practice hard enough to get practice player of the week multiple times and dress for end-of-the-year games. That's not how the rule works. In summary, hypocrisy is too big of a word for an MSU fan to know, so I assume you looked it up. What you should have been looking up is what a medical redshirt was and why it isn't the same as a regular redshirt. After you figure that out, let me know of a way where Dantonio wouldn't need to lie about it and I'll be all ears. And if your explanation is that Davis was an amazing film watcher and that's how he got practice player of the week, your explanation is shit

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Maison Bleue

September 9th, 2016 at 2:01 PM ^

To be fair, people on this board saying "Who?" or "Who cares?", actually don't know who he is and/or don't care if he got a sixth year because UM is going to kick MSU's ass with or without him.

You are on a UM board, maybe you should comment on a board that cares about MSU players, instead of being surprised by backlash on a board that doesn't.

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Mr Miggle

September 9th, 2016 at 1:39 PM ^

2010 recruiting class. He's a senior LB for Cincinnati this season. He missed a season in JC due to injury, so he could apply for another year too. Could even be a grad transfer to replace Davis.

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