Why We Hate Scott Frost

Submitted by BursleyHall82 on

[MOD EDIT - Bumped to Diary Section for nice breakdown. Also because sometimes getting excited to face a team that was worse than Hawaii last year needs help sometimes.]

This has been mentioned numerous times in other posts, so it's probably worthy of its own thread. Many of you might be too young to know the story, and others may have forgotten it, so you're wondering: Why is there so much animosity among the Michigan fan base toward UCF head coach Scott Frost?

Here's the short version: Because he cost us a unanimous national championship in 1997, and he did it by denigrating Michigan.

Here's the longer story, and exactly what Frost said. The 1997 season was the last one before the BCS came in, so national champions were determined solely by the AP (media) and USA Today (coaches) polls. Michigan finished the season on Jan. 1, 1998, by beating Washington State in the Rose Bowl, 21-16, to finish 12-0.

Nebraska finished the season on Jan. 2, 1998, by beating Tennessee and Peyton Manning in the Orange Bowl, 42-17, to finish 13-0.

In both the AP and USA Today polls, Michigan was a clear No. 1 heading into the bowl games. This was primarily because Nebraska had to cheat to beat a very mediocre Missouri team late in the season. A Nebraska player admittedly kicked the ball in the end zone to keep it alive for a TD, and the refs didn't call him for it. (That's illegal.) The play became known as the "Flea Kicker," and it's very famous. Look it up.

In any case, Michigan's season-long body of work was better, which is why following the Missouri game, pollsters vaulted Michigan ahead of Nebraska. It should have stayed that way following the bowl games, but then Nebraska quarterback Scott Frost stepped in.

He knew that the AP was never going to sway from Michigan, but following the Orange Bowl, he made an impassioned plea to the coaches to give Tom Osborne (who was retiring) a national championship as a going-away present.

And this is the important part - and why we hate Scott Frost: He did it by denigrating Michigan. This is exactly what he said on the night of Jan. 2, 1998 (emphasis mine):

"So, it's up to the coaches. I'm so proud of this team and Coach Osborne, I don't want to see him go out without a championship. I basically have two points for the coaches:

"One, if you can look yourself in the mirror and say if your job depended on playing either Michigan or Nebraska to keep your job, who would you rather play? You watched the Rose Bowl and the Orange Bowl. Michigan won with a controversial play at the end. We took apart the third-ranked team in the country.

"The second point I have is: I can't see how any coach outside the Big Ten or the Pac-10 would vote for Michigan. Because if somebody from North Carolina, Florida State, West Virginia, Notre Dame--wherever it might--if they were undefeated and won the Alliance bowl game, they would expect to share the national title.

"I don't know who would win the game if we played Michigan. I think I know. I think all you guys know. The thing I'd like to say is: Who would be favored?

"I'd like to see the line on that game, because I think it would be seven, 10, 14 points (in Nebraska's favor). Any time that it's that way and you vote the other way, you've got to be crazy."

So, that's why we don't like Scott Frost, and that's why we want to see Harbaugh hang 70 on him on Saturday. Scott Frost whizzed a fastball at our head 19 years ago, and now he's finally coming up to the plate. It's time for payback.

Elephants and Wolverines never forget.

 

Comments

thevictor08

September 5th, 2016 at 10:00 AM ^

Nebraska squeaked by Missouri with an illegal kick catch and needed OT to beat them. Comparison among common oppnents that year... Michigan-Colorado 27:3, Nebraska-Colorado 27:24  Michigan-Baylor 38:3, Nebraska-Baylor 49:21. Let's not even get into strength of schedule because Michigan had the toughest schedule in the country. We beat seven top 25 ranked teams, while Nebraska only beat 4. You can say they dominated #3 ranked Tennessee in the bowl game, but Michigan did the same thing on the road against 2nd/3rd ranked Penn State.

thevictor08

September 5th, 2016 at 9:52 AM ^

"One, if you can look yourself in the mirror and say if your job depended on playing either Michigan or Nebraska to keep your job, who would you rather play?You watched the Rose Bowl and the Orange Bowl. Michigan won with a controversial play at the end. We took apart the third-ranked team in the country.

The only controversial play in the Rose Bowl was the refs missing a blatant offensive pass intereference against Woodson on the final drive.

Michigan - Colorado 27-3

Nebraska - Colorado 27-24

It still angers me that we got screwed in 97. I hope someone reminds Harbaugh of these comments and he runs up the score. 

Chalky White

September 5th, 2016 at 10:21 AM ^

You have to remember back then the SEC wasn't what it is now. Tennessee won their division despite losing to Florida. Manning was 0-4 against Florida. The SEC was garbage in 1997. Look at the results.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_SEC_Championship_Game

 

Edit: The current SEC is probably closer to that 1997 version than how people actually perceive it.

EGD

September 5th, 2016 at 9:52 AM ^

I don't really believe Frost's comments affected the voting. But I do remember CBS having the Nebraska-Tennessee game and basically making its pre- and post-game coverage an infomercial for why Nebraska should be #1. I think that may have had an effect.

Lan Jiao

September 5th, 2016 at 10:16 AM ^

While the argument of M getting its rematch with O$U is a harder sell than the 1997 debate, Gary Danielson did the same thing for Florida on the CBS broadcast of the 2006 SEC Championship against Arkansas. I remember the 2nd half featuring an array of graphics and telestrations about how a 1-loss team who beat an unranked South Carolina team at home (on a last-second blocked field goal) should get in over the team who lost on the road by 3 to the unanimous #1 (on an iffy late hit penalty).

UMForLife

September 5th, 2016 at 9:56 AM ^

Thank for you posting this. I did not remember the whole story. I just know I was pissed.

But here is the way I always looked at this one. If a school needs that kind of plea to get a championship, you might as well not get one. It is a shame with an asterisk. I never want my mom to fight my battle to get a prize.

Hey, that is what you get for being MICHIGAN. There is a general hatred across the college football because of who we are. I know people say it is arrogance, but it is in the history of college football. You can't erase history.

1974

September 5th, 2016 at 9:56 AM ^

It's been a long time since his whiny little speech, but I hope he gets booed on Saturday.

As for the "controversial play," I don't suppose he means the one where Woodson was pushed to the ground. :)

In retrospect, that was a lighting-in-a-bottle season for Michigan. Even so, with all the talent on that roster, I honestly believe they played "down" to some of their opponents (like Iowa).

WolverineHistorian

September 5th, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^

The Iowa game was very Hollywood like in its outcome but the score was a little misleading. Yeah, Griese threw 3 first half interceptions but Iowa got 17 of their 24 points from special teams disasters on our part. They returned a Griese interception 60 yards to the one yard line then punched it in. They returned a punt for a TD and they got a field goal that was set up from a 75 yard kickoff return. Except for a few plays, they had little to no success against the Michigan defense.

UWSBlue

September 5th, 2016 at 9:59 AM ^

I watched Frost with his tearful plea and then Nantz jumped on the bandwagon to also make a case for their coach as he wrapped and signed off. The entire nation was watching including the coaches. I'm still pissed off about it.

huntmich

September 5th, 2016 at 10:08 AM ^

I remember this story vividly. I was in 7th grade and as part of my social studies class we had to choose one topical news story every week and write 2 pages on it. When we got stiffed by the coaches poll I was livid. I wrote a 2-page rant about the Injustice that had befell Michigan as a result of Scott Frost. I hope we perform a flying drop kick to Scott Frost's testes this Saturday.

Blue2000

September 5th, 2016 at 10:09 AM ^

Fuck Scott Frost.  But remember, Tom Osborne also announced his fake retirement at the end of that season to push the coaches to give him a going away gift.  So fuck Frost, Osborne, and Nebraska.  

M go Bru

September 7th, 2016 at 8:35 AM ^

level assistants filling out ballots and not the coaches themselves for years. Coaches don't have the time to watch the games that the sportswriters can.

Take a look at the Coachs' poll this week. Those clowns elevated Sparty when they played poorly. 

Entitled rankings should be eliminated. It's what you do on the field. MSU last year was highly rated despite barely beating anyone.

michfan23

September 5th, 2016 at 10:15 AM ^

Scott Frost was a crying baby 19 years ago. While I am still mad at him, I doubt the team today resurrects the same level of hatred, seeing that they are far too young to remember it. I want Frost and his team beaten into a pulp because 2016 Michigan is a good football team and I want 2016 to be a year to never forget.
I do appreciate your post reminding the young ones on this board about 1997. I'm lucky to remember the season and how special it was. Many of our younger fans don't have these amazing memories to harken back to.



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HarleyMarlboro

September 5th, 2016 at 10:19 AM ^

I don't think Frost's comments really swayed anyone.  I think that "legendary" coach Tom Osbourne was given a going away gift by the Coaches Poll.

What I find funny is that people in Nebraska have hated Michigan ever since.  My uncle lives out there, so of course when I go there to visit every 3-4 years, I have to wear my Michigan gear.  The first time was probably back in around 2002 or so.  We were walking around the Henry Dooley Zoo, and I kept getting nasty looks.  One good-old corn-fed Nebraska lady asked me, "is that M for Mizzura?"  

"No, it's for Michigan."

"Ugh.  That's too bad," and waddled away.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 5th, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^

was overblown. I think it's just a matter of coaches don't get to watch a lot of games during the season, and they're more prone to trust programs that are on a roll like Nebraska was then than to go with a team that had an incredible year out of nowhere like Michigan did. M was 8-4 the year before and 9-4 the year before that. Nobody except some die hard Michigan people saw 1997 coming.

And even then, I'm kind of inclined to believe that if the word was Nebraska was going to win the AP Poll, the coaches might have found a way to rig it so Michigan won theirs to ensure a split. I think the consensus was more "both teams deserve to be called champion" than "fuck Michigan."

Alumnus93

September 5th, 2016 at 10:43 AM ^

hes a dick, but hard for an undefeated team not to share the title, pre college playoff. If Nebraska was ranked first and we're undefeated Wed demand a share, too. cmon... but screw frost anyway, and I hope we crush them.

Mpfnfu Ford

September 5th, 2016 at 10:53 AM ^

The real villain was the shitty system, which was caused by the Rose Bowl (which is why I never get the warm fuzzies about that game. The Rose Bowl cheated Michigan out of the chance at undisputed title glory). So this bizarre system was created where #1 played #2 unless one of the top two teams was in the Pac 10/Big 10, and everyone got lucky that situations like Michigan/Nebraska didn't happen every year. 

Michigan clearly played a tougher schedule throughout the year. I don't think anyone with a brain would dispute that. Nebraska played a significantly tougher bowl opponent. Michigan sorta laid a wet fart against Wazzu in the Rose Bowl and Nebraska burned Tennessee's house down and laughed in the embers. They were both undefeated so it is what it is.

One of the biggest piles of BS in a sport loaded with BS is that we never got to see Nebraska/Michigan play that season. 

NittanyFan

September 5th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

Nebraska players were going to advocate for themselves.  That is natural.  I can't hate that.

The various coaches shouldn't be in a position where they are deciding a national champion.  I can't hate them either.  They're coaching their OWN teams.  The majority of these coaches didn't play either Michigan or Nebraska, much less both (only 2 coaches played both).  There were 8 coaches who split their vote, which is a defensible opinion.  Yes, one coach voted Michigan #4 in 1997 --- that was NOT a defensible opinion.  Fortunately, it didn't mathematically matter in terms of final position in the coaches' poll.

Fair or not, one thing that hurt U-M in the 1997 vote was the fact that their regular season opponents went 0-6 in Bowl games.  Worse, they were all double-digit losses.  No doubt some coaches considered those data points.   

Think about 2002, if the 1997 system had existed then.  Ohio State would have played WSU in the Rose Bowl (they had already played in the regular season).  Miami would have played Georgia in another Bowl.  If both OSU and Miami won, Miami likely sweeps both polls, and OSU gets denied a national Championship that they actually earned in real life.

Given 2002, I ignore anyone who says "I guarantee that U-M (Nebraska) would have beat Nebraska (U-M) had they actually played!  U-M (Nebraska) was obviously better!"  Nobody knows.  

Regardless of whether another school also claims a MNC: 1997 Michigan can still rightfully claim it themselves.  I'm just happy the system has improved.

bronxblue

September 5th, 2016 at 11:18 AM ^

I blame the coaches who voted. Frost was a kid trying to get a title; the coaches who voted for Osbourne should have known better. Also, fuck Peyton Manning and his inability to show up in any big game. He never beat Florida, got destroyed against Nebraska, looked like carp in his two SB wins, and claims to like Papa John's pizza. He's a damn monster in my books.