OT - Recommendations for a New TV to watch Football

Submitted by xtramelanin on

Mates,

It is time for us to buy a new TV.  The old one works, but is 13+ yrs old and doesn't have all the features, bells and buzzers like the newest generations of TV's.   We only have the TV hooked up during college football season, so whatever we get will see light duty for 3-4 months, then be dark for the rest of the year.  Video games are not part of the equation for us, assuming people still play them on TV's. 

General specs would be that it be in the 45-50" size range.  I am looking at a Sam's Club catalog which shows a Samsung 48" 1080p Smart TV for $348.  There's a couple of Vizio's "Class 4k UHD Smart Cast" TV's, and the 50" is $448.  

So the question is:  Given the specs and usage, what do you recommend for TV's and features in that size range?  What is the most bang for the buck and the 'must have' specs? 

Thank you in advance,

XM

EDIT:  I want to thank the folks that have responded.  This is exactly the content/discussio I was hoping for.  Very helpful on all fronts.

Daft_Blue

July 27th, 2016 at 9:37 PM ^

When you can get a 35 dollar dongle that does a better job.  However most of the good TVs come with smart tvs anyways.  

4k isn't that great.  When I bought a tv a couple years ago plasma was fading away. Still supposable better than 4k. Also have heard oled is amazing but $$$.

NRK

July 27th, 2016 at 11:34 PM ^

Plasma and OLED are display technologies. Like LED, or CRT. 4K (aka UHD) is a resolution for content. Like 1080p (aka HD) or 720p, or 480p, etc. You are conflating two completely separate things. Some 4K TVs are OLED. Plasma has too many negatives compared to LCD to make any traction in 4K if it were introduced. The reason why it faded was more about advances in LCD technology and it making little business sense to the companies making TVs. Saying 4K isn't that great is silly. There is very little title content right now and it's likely that most people have never seen 4K content. If you watch 4K content on a 4K TV you will see a not Cable difference. Whether or not that is worth it is a personal call. I would not expect 4K content to be easily available for the next few years. After that, it likely will start being more common. That being said, you don't necessarily need to buy 4K if you're not an early adopter and if you can find a good deal on a 1080p TV.

NRK

July 28th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^

Yeah, iPhones 6/6s can shoot in 4K now. Granted it will eat through storage ridiculosly fast.

 

I will say that from the 4K content I've seen from Netflix I'm happy I made the move to 4K, even though I did that to partly future proof. I notice the difference. Everyone might not care, but it's nice for House of Cards & etc.

Mr. Owl

July 27th, 2016 at 10:07 PM ^

Make sure you do like me & get a nice size TV with great picture, then cancel cable & watch games streamed online with horrible picture clarity.

Ray

July 27th, 2016 at 10:10 PM ^

Have three. First I bought in 2011 when we lived in Switzerland--42" or so. (It's now my upstairs TV and IFR flight sim). Then I bought a 55" on mega-sale a couple of years ago. Very nice set. Then I bought an open-box set at Best Buy a couple months ago on super mega sale--42" for $300-something. 120 hz. It's going over the new, awesome cherry bar I've built. All three have been great sets. I really like the refresh rate on the 120 Hz as it's great for sports. And they all look better with DirectTv feeds than they did with Comcast.

Danwillhor

July 27th, 2016 at 10:12 PM ^

Buying 4k if not a 50+" due to visible quality issues. Unless you're about a foot away from the TV you won't notice a difference over 1080p. Also, avoid paying extra for any TV that boasts about a "sports mode" of any kind. It's merely using the "soap opera effect" with high volume and brightness. It looks like shit but you can do it yourself with any TV if you like it. I bought a Samsung 120hz 1080p last year from Amazon for about $350. Solid picture but image quality under 50" is negligible unless a very high end TV (OLED, etc).

big mac 22

July 27th, 2016 at 10:28 PM ^

Don't buy 4K until games are broadcasted in that format. Also everyone thinks when they buy 1080p everything is 1080p. The only programming directv offers in 1080p is the cinema HD ppv movies. You will see most in 1080i. I bought a Vizio 65" smart tv and love it. Walmart $848

NRK

July 27th, 2016 at 11:37 PM ^

FYI you can switch DirecTV to 720p in settings. If you prefer to avoid interlacing (which many do when watching sports) it's a good move to make. And nearly all cable content is 720p as well. The extra bandwidth for 1080p has not been worth it for the service providers. BluRay is 1080p and many streaming services are. But nearly all live broadcast is not.

NRK

July 28th, 2016 at 11:24 AM ^

Given the option you should almost always use 720p over 1080i. Especially if you watch sports. Of course if 1080p is available you should use that.

But 1080i is not the same as 1080p. The "i" stands for "interlaced" meaning that the lines are refreshed on an interlaced fashion, whereas "p" is progressive scan meaning all lines are refreshed. In short, 1080i provides more detail but might also lead to some motion issues.

People often see 1080i and think it's better than 720p, but really that's not the case. Some articles explaining it:

Lifehacker

Hometheater.About

 

 

xtramelanin

July 28th, 2016 at 5:15 AM ^

during season football is on th-sat, will (close eyes) watch lions on sunday occasionally too.  thanksgiving weekend is hunting and college football. the last half of december gets pretty good with 1-4 games/day.  did you mean 18 days?  28 days? 

Aero01

July 27th, 2016 at 10:43 PM ^

Based on my understanding of your usage, I suggest buying just about the cheapest thing available. 4k tv's are great, but after 5 minutes, it's just your tv. Sadly, my family watches alot of TV, so I really appreciate the quality of my Samsung, but imho, as long as it's HD, no tv is going to make you appreciate an M win more than the next. btw, I'm super jealous of what I perceive to be your lifestyle. you're one of my favorite posters. Good luck and go blue!

Steve in PA

July 27th, 2016 at 10:48 PM ^

Are you offgrid?  For some reason I am thinking you are offgrid so power consumption should be very important.  If not I have nothing to offer this discussion.  

I like my Panny Plasma but it's getting long in the tooth and my next TV most likely won't be plasma now that the black is true black instead of grey on LED TV.

mgokev

July 28th, 2016 at 7:12 AM ^

This is the most important feature for you. If you're watching this for football, you want the picture refreshing as frequently as possible. Money can be saved by having a low refresh rate, but would it be worth it if you saw a trail of ghost images of the football as it arcs through the air?

IMO, 240hz is the minimum and look for the "effective refresh rate". OEMs will manipulate LEDs to the quality of 920hz off of a baseline of 240hz for example.

1080p at 720hz is MUCH better than 4K at 60 or 120hz. Especially for action movies or sports or anything with fast and frequent movement. You'll notice.



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NRK

July 28th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^

Refresh rates are so hard to parse these days. Even the term "effective refresh rate" is used deceptively (see Vizio).

This article is a little old, but it still breaks it down in pretty good detail. More or less you're not getting above 120 Hz right now on a 4K;

 

CNet on 4K refresh rates

Rtings on Actual v Advertised refresh rates 

 

Also, a higher refresh is better yes, but there's an argument that the returns on going from 120 to 240 are marginally observable to most people.

 

 

ska4punkkid

July 27th, 2016 at 11:06 PM ^

I got a 55" Samsung 4K smart tv before last season and it is glorious. Have bought Vizio and a Sony Bravia before and here is the order from best to worst in my experience: 1. Samsung 2. Sony 3. Vizio

turtleboy

July 27th, 2016 at 11:06 PM ^

If it's just for football I would look for a Benq projector on sale and blast that baby on the wall for a 15' screen. Lumens are so high these days you rarely need an actual screen anymore, and sunlight coming in the windows affects the picture very little.

Trump

July 27th, 2016 at 11:10 PM ^

Just skip this season and wait for Black Friday. Some places aren't too crazy, with many decent tvs for sale. I got an off brand 55" for under $300



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TESOE

July 27th, 2016 at 11:21 PM ^

the OLEDs to drop the control circuitry off the backside and go mirror thin.  Next year's CES will show these with adhesive hangers.  

OLED is better... but not worth it until the form factor exceeds that of LED offerings.

We got 

Sony XBR55X850D 55-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart TV (2016 model)

1200 bucks...  that'll do for a couple years or more for OLEDs to come down in price point and slim down to mount with poster tape.

ghostofhoke

July 27th, 2016 at 11:27 PM ^

Samsung all day long. Got the new UHD 4K in 60" and it's beautiful.

If you're looking for bang for the buck we got one of the Roku TVs for our mountain share house--55" 4K for like $400 at Costco. It's a great TV for the money but the remote sucks. If you're booking it up to a cable box with a good remote it's a lot of TV for the cost.



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Greatgig

July 27th, 2016 at 11:30 PM ^

Just bought a 60" Samsung 1080p. Didn't go with the 4k because of what's already been said. Don't feel like I need to be on the front end of that trend. I'd recommend checking out what your local Costco has. Their protection plan is nice, you'll end up with 5 years of coverage. We cut the cord recently, so went with a smart tv.

AZBlue

July 28th, 2016 at 1:54 AM ^

On a serious note,,, we have "cut the cord" to Sony / PlayStation VUE .... does 4K etc translate poorly to streaming TV?... I see some hiccups at 1080P even though we have near the fastest internet speed from our cable provider.

Rodriguesqe

July 27th, 2016 at 11:45 PM ^

I used to want to get a 4k tv but it seems like the upside is low but the downside is high. Beyond the lack of content content is moving towards streaming. a 4k movie is about 100 gigabites, or 20x or so that of a 1080p movie. manufacturers really wanted 4k tvs to be the leap from tube to hd but its not. if you're on a budget you probably don't want to spend money on 4k just yet.

NRK

July 27th, 2016 at 11:53 PM ^

1080p will be fine for the next few years, but it won't be long-term future proof (5+) as more 4K content starts to come out. You may not care about that. Smart TV is nice, but not an absolute necessity of there are enough HDMI ports to add a dongle. If you're only watching a small amount of time and want to future proof, the VIZIO 4K is a good deal. VIZIO is good for value (I have a few) but they simply aren't as good as some of the high high end Samsungs with HDR (these are really future proof as HDR is the new th piece to have). But it doesn't seem like you're us need it for what you're doing either. A Samsung 1080p is going to be good quality picture for live TV, and hold up for a number that years. Then again, if only watching a limited amount I might not even do that if I could find a better deal on a midrange brand,.

JNQ_GOBLUE_79

July 28th, 2016 at 12:16 AM ^

this and when I bought my tv last year, I bought a high end 1080p Samsung from the previous year (H7150).  The problem now is, to get a high end TV with the technology that produces a great picture, you have to pay the premium for 4K, because manufacturers are only putting those features in their 4K models.

I love my TV, and because I was fine with 1080p only, I went with 75" over the 65" 4K that was in my price range.  I'm far happier with the bigger screen than with the limited 4K content I would be able to find.  If anything, I think the bigger benefits of newer 4K sets is HDR and the wider color gamut that the new TVs are offering.  Those things will improve picture quality far more than greater resolution, especially since very few people sit right on top of their televisions for viewing.  I sit 15+ feet from my tv, and at that distance I would need something like a 140" screen to see any benefit of 4K over 1080p!

NRK

July 28th, 2016 at 10:26 AM ^

Right - and very few current 4Ks even have HDR too at this point. I needed a new TV to replace another one, so I went cheap because I know I'm going to want a new one that has HDR in a few years. So I compromised got a 60" Vizio 4K (M-60). It will cover me for a few years untilt he 4Ks (and possible OLEDs) come down in price and HDR is more common. Then I'll splurge. 

 

I like my Vizio, but I will say my friend's Samsung SUHD (w/ HDR and Samsung's "Quantum Dot") is a better picture. He also paid way more for it.

 

You are right about the fact that almost all new technology is being pumped into 4K, so 1080p is not getting the newest and best stuff at this point.

Hail Harbo

July 28th, 2016 at 12:17 AM ^

About screen size, rule of thumb is that optimal viewing distance is twice that of the screen size.  70" screens are great for a large party in a large room, but who usually sits 12 feet away from the TV?

xtramelanin

July 28th, 2016 at 6:55 AM ^

we've got too much going on and so many video games are not good for building character - lots of heads cut/shot off, sexually risque stuff for kids too young, etc.   we process our own livestock so my kids have seen more real blood (there's a lot even in one steer) and guts than just about anybody you know, but that is hands on, not in the abstract, with an actual purpose of providing food for ourselves and our customers, and harvested in a humane fashion.

HimJarbaugh

July 28th, 2016 at 9:58 AM ^

I have a 70" 4k Samsung and love it. For those of you who say nobody broadcasts in 4k that is true for cable but you can find TONS of 4k content out there online and it will only grow.

My 60" 1080p Vizio is ok but there is just something off about the picture. It's not as crisp as the Samsung. Still good and got it for less than $600.

Above all else, I would focus on the number of HDMI ports and the refresh rate. Some look nice until there is movement and that blur looks pretty bad.

BoFan

July 28th, 2016 at 9:30 AM ^

Don't buy a Vizio. They have the highest frequency of repair and it's not even close. It's because of how they source parts. They are cheap for a reason. Even with a service plan for insurance your tv might be in the shop during the big game.

NRK

July 28th, 2016 at 11:21 AM ^

I agree - generally Vizios have more issues. However, you are balancing cost versus likelihood of issues. I have had zero repair issues with vizios TVs I have had - some for multiple years. 

Consumer Reports does a reliability survey rating the number of repairs or serious problems as a percenteage and Vizio is fourth-worst and comes in at 5%. Samsung is in the lower thid at 4%, Sony near the top at 3%.

 

There is no doubt if money is no object then you I'd buy a different brand (I'd buy an OLED despite my complaints about my LG HDTV), but it just depends on what you're looking for.