Greg Schiano and Tom Bradley knew about Sandusky - unsealed Mike McQueary deposition
https://twitter.com/PancakeCatapult/status/752851543007735808
Apparently Schiano and Bradley mentioned seeing Sandusky commit atrocities. Sickening. Not much more for me to add but Schiano had a quote before saying something along the lines of it being a terrible situation and fewer words would be better (perhaps b/c he knew it could be used against him at some point).
If Schiano knew, Larry johnson definately had to know.
Hell I think the mayor knew too.
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Can we make a distinction here between the people that actually saw it, and therefore absolutely knew, and people that heard about it?
Maybe there's also a useful distinction between people that heard about it because it was reported to them by their subordinates, and thus had a duty to either investigate or report onwards, as opposed to people that just heard something?
This isn't a specific reference to Johnson or anyone else on the staff. But there's some distance where a rumor is just a rumor, and I don't want to live in a society where every rumor I hear requires that I report it to the police. As a practical matter, that's not doing the police any favors. As an ethical matter, it'd be a very nasty place to live.
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No way we would ever kick out the "crown jewel of expansion" . Thats crazy talk.
Why the fuck did these adult men not go directly to the police and file a report of the crime?
again "tinfoil hat time"
but how do we know they weren't blackmailed with underage girls or boys?
I mean it would be very easy to get one of these guys out and get them drunk and hook them up with a 15 or 16 year old female.
I'm not saying that happened but if it did it would explain people not coming forward.
I think cowardice, poor judgment, and vile character are simpler and more likely explanations.
Although now that I think about it, those aren't exactly exclusive with your theory.
I mean people can downvote me all they want, but there is a reason that none of these fucks came forward.
I have no idea what happned all those years at PSU but it seems to me that quite a few people had knowledge of this situation and did nothing. I know if I saw a child being molested I would be on the phone with authorities so fast your head would spin.
There is a reason that people with knowledge of the situation haven't come forward.
I'm not arguing that.
I'm just saying that anything is possible.
blackmail is a real thing.
It may not have been children, it could be something else.
razor
Threat of disclosure of one's own improprieties (sexual, criminal or other) would be a very powerful deterrent in keeping the truth battened down and preventing the report of other crimes.
Did Bradley and Schiano have skeleton's in their own closets? Don't know. But even if they did, I would like to think they would have had the adult conviction to do what is right and to not allow such a vile monster to continue destroying children unabated.
... right away, it makes it difficult to act at all, because you become complicit. And, it sounds like, this was not a culture that rewarded people for acting right away when it came to Sandusky's child abuse.
My guess is all these people found out at some point, didn't act at first because they were discouraged from doing so through a perverted culture that was Paterno's creation, then had to sit and stay quiet for fear of being outed as an enabler.
Good point. One of the contributing factors to that hesitation is known as the diffusion of responsibility.
A strong sense of personal, individual responsibility - that proceeds from, say, a leadership position like coach or assistant coach - is the only way to avoid that trap.
It looks like Paterno actively discouraged people from taking responsibility. So not only did he not fulfill that leadership role, but he used his position to obstruct justice.
You're in trouble when you have "John Doe 150" testifying against you. The other 149 have probably already done some damage.
Also, the 1976 claim is interesting precisely because the accuser protected himself by speaking up right away, on the spot. So it's unusual and has the ring of truth.
To be fair to Bradley, the testimony was just that he had been told of things, not that he actually witnessed anything himself. The OP doesn't make that point clear.
I would hope he told someone, and it was still a failing on his part, but there were likely greater failings than his.
[Note, this is all stated with the knowledge that the only thing we know about Bradley is an abridged version of what happened based on hearsay evidence]
ETA: It should also be noted that while Bradley had been on staff longer, he was ST and OLB coach, whereas Schiano was DB coach. So it's not like Schiano telling Bradley is reporting it to his superior. Bradley still should have encouraged Schiano to tell someone or told someone himself (which it isn't entirely clear he didn't), but I think it makes it clearer that Bradley's sins aren't as great as others'.
Boy, it's a good thing that the NCAA peeled back those sanctions. I mean, Paterno's dead, so clearly nobody else needed to be punished...
I wish the NCAA would've stuck them with the death penalty back then and still do.
If it was Northeast Pennsylvania College? Dead, They will never do it to Penn State
This is really just fucking sickening. I understand that you shouldn't punish the current athletes and students for what occurred in the past, but they really should burn the university to the ground. Un-fucking-believable that anyone would want to bring back a statue of that monster.
Who pressured them to stay silent? Anyone? Anyone?
Schiano would be hit with a show-cause right away.
Does Penn State really think this stuff is going to stop coming out?
They need to dump everything on the table now and stop having things trickle out that makes it look like they keep hiding stuff.
The crazy thing is that they were actually delusional enough that they pushed the issue with the insurance company trying to get money back. They either didn't think this would come out, or didn't think it was bad enough to warrant consideration.
They are the reason this stuff is coming to light.
In the settlement agreement that we've seen (there was a link here a while back) the only stipulation was that the victim couldn't discuss the settlement or settlement negotiations. There was nothing to prohibit them from talking about the crime itself.
Sickening. Sadly I'm not surprised. I'd bet a lot more people knew, too. Just doesnt seem likely that it could go on for decades and only have a couple of people know. That's one of the most horrific things about this; I'd bet the full list of those who knew enough to be guilty is dozens of people long.
Considering the number of people involved, it's literally inconceivable that none of them talked to their wives or their brothers or their fathers, and it's just as inconceivable that none of those people talked to other people, and so on. When you consider this entirely human trait—gossip has been around as long as human civilization—it's amazing to me that it's taken this long for it to come to light.
But then I think of how long the Catholic Church was able to keep its own child abuse scandals hidden...
But it shows how large and widespread the Joe Pa Cult is. When nothing is more important than protecting the Great Joe Pa and the football program he leads, little "incidents" like child abuse get dismissed or forgotten quickly. Disgusting and sickening the more you think about it.
If your wife comes home from work and tells you that she heard from somebody there whose brother-in-law has a friend whose nephew is a bartender in State College and there's supposedly a rumor going around that Penn State's DC is a child molester, what do you do?
Fuuuuuuuuck every single one of them.
Did you ever hear any whispers or rumors from teammates or anybody about Sandusky or Penn State?
We really need to improve whistleblower laws that can let people come out with this stuff. Because when you do in a situation like Penn State's you are going to be absolutely crucified.
Imagine the first kid to say his priest abused him. Do you think anybody believed him? Not only was the situation not resloved, but he got severely punished on top of it.
Imagine the first low-level assistant to come out and say that Paterno's right hand man was sexually abusing kids and that Paterno knew about it. Do you think that anybody would believe him? We all saw what happened with McQuery.
We sit here all high and mighty, but imagine if Jim Harbaugh did something and somebody tried to come out with it. Do you really think he's going to get a calm, fair impartial hearing?
It's human nature to accuse the accuser when a cherished person / institution is in question.
They need to have a way that whistleblowers can report what they saw anonymously and let external trained professionals who are imune to internal pressures take over the situation from there.
This is sad but true. "The Tallest Blade of Grass is the First to Get Mowed Down."
Once it's clear that there are multiple accusers--both insider whistleblowers and outsiders like media reports, victims getting traction in the media, etc, then it becomes easeir for insiders to come clean. But that first one or two are really going out on a limb and risk being marginalized--and sometimes losing lucrative career, positions of presteige, etc.
This is why, "absolute power corrupts & power corrupts absolutely." We all have human weaknesses, but most of us have an inner circle that will call us out on our BS and not enable our bad behaviors. There is a communal-governance thing that happens with most of us. But if the inner circle is hooked on the upside benefits of being around the central nucleus of that circle, that's where the willful blindness comes into play.
Exactly true. And that's today when people are more sensitive to this kind of thing.
Take it back 40 years and you would not have had a prayer.
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Is Bradley at UCLA? I thought he retired?
From a Michigan Daily interview with Canham:
TMD: Going back to Paterno, what happened that kept him
from coming to Michigan?
DC: I met Paterno, I think, on Dec. 5 in Pittsburgh. I was on my way to New York to go to the Hall of Fame dinner and Joe met me at a hotel. He’d only been coach (at Penn State) for three years, so he was just another great young coach in those days. Paterno was not as well known as some of the other guys that I was talking to. I’ve known Joe for 40 years and I like him very much personally — (at the time), he was going through his first bowl game that he’d ever gone to. He said, “Don, let me think about it, I’ll call you in three days” — so I went to New York and when I was talking to people, Bo’s name kept coming up. Three days later, Joe called me and said, “Don, I can’t make a decision until after the bowl,” and I told him I couldn’t wait until January to hire a football coach for Michigan. The next week, I hired Schembechler. He’s the one that impressed me the most at that time.
https://www.michigandaily.com/content/michigan-football-needed-turnarou…
To say we dodged a bullet would be the understatement of Michigan football's existence
interesting..i thought you copied my words "dodged a bullet" because i had the exact thought, and said so....then i noticed you posted before i... my apologies.
but was sandusky even on staff by then? and he was a local guy, too.. surely paterno wouldve had someone else.
gotta love Bo and his father.. who was given the fireman test in advance and told them to shove it, in Barberton.
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