OT-Ivy League eliminates tackling at Practice

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Sports

March 1st, 2016 at 4:05 PM ^

Shocking. The people who are paid enormous sums of money in order to make suree that the current system doesn't change at all are advocating to make sure that it doesn't change at all. 

Again, show me a scientific or medical study that supports your claim that less physical punishment will increase injuries. 

BursleyBaitsBus

March 1st, 2016 at 4:21 PM ^

Again, I said there needs to be more data. It's a hunch on my part based on recent NFL news. I stand by it. Conditioning to get hit is a big part of tackle/combat sports. Without it, increases the likelihood of getting hurt. Now I'm not saying to actually go out and give it all like one would during primetime, but the contact is important imo. 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/nfl-injuries-part-i…

 

This is the most recent study I found. There needs to be more data still as I said before. There are many factors but there is an upward trend overall.

BursleyBaitsBus

March 1st, 2016 at 4:05 PM ^

You don't get tackled in practice. You get tackled during a game. You're taking out the conditioning part. 

It's like an MMA fighter trying to fight someone without sparring first. The reactions will be different. 

Thus I'm curious to see if other injuries rise due to this. 

Sports

March 1st, 2016 at 3:54 PM ^

As probably the only person on this board that religiously follows Ivy League football, I will confirm that this hasn't hurt Dartmouth in the slightest. They have an absolutely lethal offense and their D isn't half bad either. There is no reason to not to this. It's a brilliant move and could be easily translated into power 5 and the pros.

As the Dartmouth coach said, at this level, players know how to give and take hits. They don't need that coaching. Preserving their bodies makes far more sense. This really is an excellent move.



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Wolverine Devotee

March 1st, 2016 at 4:07 PM ^

Not surprising as the Ivy League distances itself as much as possible from big time football.

They don't even participate in the NCAA Tournament. 

MgoBlueprint

March 1st, 2016 at 4:06 PM ^

That's just ridiculous. I get the need to limit players exposure to injuries, but this seems like it would only increase the injuries in games. Ideally, coaches promote and perfect proper tackling techniques in practice so that proper tackling is second nature in games.



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Avon Barksdale

March 1st, 2016 at 4:17 PM ^

I am of the political party that gets involved in this stuff, and it makes me sick. I played football. I knew the risks of playing football just as I knew the risk of throwing a baseball toward a hitter sixty feet away who wanted to send it back at me with as much force as possible. I played the games because they were FUN. They were RELAXING. It helped shape me into who I am.

It was the best time of my life getting bruised up against my friends. Slamming helmets into one another in the Oklahoma Drill  at Spring Practice. Football is the one game where it's okay to hit other people. It's good for some people -- an escape from the problems of the world that so many kids experience at home, in the streets, and in their neighborhoods. Just because a few guys got depressed after a few too many collisions is not a reason to ruin it for the rest of us that loved the game and have done no harm to ourselves or those around us.

Let this sink in: a kid who goes to an Ivy League school and doesn't get to play until his senior year will have gone nearly four calendar years without tackling on a football field or being tackled. What is the point of even practicing and playing the game at that point? He could go play intramurals (if the Ivy League schools even have such a thing) and not have nearly the time commitment for the same exact thing.

drz1111

March 1st, 2016 at 4:48 PM ^

I went to Dartmouth.  I know folks on the football team.  You know, the football team that hasn't full-contact tackled in practice since 2010, and has finished in the top 3 in the league each of the last 3 seasons.  Why don't you ask them if there was any "point" to playing competitive football. 

 

And I bet they're going to be real happy they didn't addle their brains / peak at 20 when they start working as regular Joes.

Mr Miggle

March 1st, 2016 at 7:53 PM ^

football back in their day is a fool. At least when trying to compare themselves to current players. You only knew some of the risks. We know know a lot more now than ever before, and anyone who thinks we know all the risks now is still fooling themself. Judging what we should do today based on the limited science from the past is likewise foolish.

If you had bothered to read the article, you would note that they are banning tackling only during in the in-season practices, not altogether. Dartmouth is doing what they do on their own. The NFL has also cut down the number of full contact practices. I expect the rest of CFB will follow suit, just not to the same extent as the Ivy League.

 

 

Hab

March 1st, 2016 at 4:37 PM ^

There has to be a Family Guy, London Sillinannies reference to be made out there somewhere.  Alas, my forum skills are still insufficient to make such magical wonders happen.

TrueLT

March 1st, 2016 at 4:52 PM ^

Dartmouth gets it, they actually get what football is all about. Why even have the kids tackling the dummies, why don't we have bigger robots destroying other bigger robots. This is the ground floor of the evolution of the game. I'm seeing a bright future - Robot NFL, Robo-Goodell on a 40 Million bitcoin salary. This is how we FIX FOOTBALL guys, by MAKING IT SAFE

 

Maizerage11

March 1st, 2016 at 5:02 PM ^

This topic is really interesting for me since last month I finished my PhD at Michigan and now work at Dartmouth.  

I think Dartmouth won the league last year... so it must not be the worst idea.  Forward thinking... if you had 11 of these dumbies that were computer controlled and cordinated, you could implement other teams offensises, simulate actual game speed, and give players a chance to practice against their competition before the game.

 

 

BIGBLUEWORLD

March 1st, 2016 at 5:07 PM ^

to tackle with our shoulder pads (hit, lift, and drive).

We can have football much the way it is, with the absolute insistence, through rules and referee implementation, that there be no contact with the head, or near the head. Tackling everywhere from the neck on down leaves plenty of room for good, solid impact.

Tackle as hard as you can. Just stay away from the other players head, and don't use your head in any way, shape or form to augment a tackle.

Isolated incidents are bound to occur, but hitting and tackling can evolve to keep the head area out of harms way in most instances.

Esterhaus

March 1st, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^

 

Essentially, the human brain is suspended in a water bath adjacent a relatively hard shell and the spring-like spinal column supports the shell in the vertical dimension. The head itself does not need to be contacted in order for the brain to receive permanent injury due to impact given the spine can transmit shock force into the head whereby the brain contacts the hard shell. Repeated injuries to the brain do not allow the organ to rewire and recover properly. The literature is out there for perusal, and forward-thinking institutions are redesigning their practices to prevent recurrent brain injuries. I personally believe this is a good thing from a societal and individual fairness perspective, you are free to disagree.

Football changed with the forward pass. The game can be modified again to protect the players without detracting from the fan experience and, in fact, I believe that with changes to enable lateral passing and drop kicking the game could be made livelier and more compelling.

StraightDave

March 1st, 2016 at 5:41 PM ^

Just like you shouldn't join Marine Corps infantry if you don't want to get shot at.  

High risk, high reward for the opportunity to play college football and try out for the NFL. 

7words

March 1st, 2016 at 5:44 PM ^

I have a feeling that in about 10-15 years, there are going to be a lot of Huge college stadiums available for the lacrosse and soccer teams to use whenever they want.   

turtleboy

March 1st, 2016 at 6:42 PM ^

Tackling needs to be practiced. Specifically if the concerns are about player safety, proper tackling absolutely needs to be practiced. The ivy league telling high school coaches to prevent players from bashing helmets for fun would likely do 100 times more to prevent cte than tackle robots.

SysMark

March 1st, 2016 at 8:24 PM ^

If football is going to stay anything like it is now these changes have to be made.  You can teach how to tackle without regular full contact practices.  All good research on the subject says this will help players' health.