OT-Ivy League eliminates tackling at Practice
Here is an old article with the robots Dartmouth uses to practice tackling.
Can't see this ending well for humans.
Shocking. The people who are paid enormous sums of money in order to make suree that the current system doesn't change at all are advocating to make sure that it doesn't change at all.
Again, show me a scientific or medical study that supports your claim that less physical punishment will increase injuries.
Again, I said there needs to be more data. It's a hunch on my part based on recent NFL news. I stand by it. Conditioning to get hit is a big part of tackle/combat sports. Without it, increases the likelihood of getting hurt. Now I'm not saying to actually go out and give it all like one would during primetime, but the contact is important imo.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/nfl-injuries-part-i…
This is the most recent study I found. There needs to be more data still as I said before. There are many factors but there is an upward trend overall.
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You don't get tackled in practice. You get tackled during a game. You're taking out the conditioning part.
It's like an MMA fighter trying to fight someone without sparring first. The reactions will be different.
Thus I'm curious to see if other injuries rise due to this.
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Your question would have made more sense if sparring didn't allow for certain punches/elbows to the face.
As the Dartmouth coach said, at this level, players know how to give and take hits. They don't need that coaching. Preserving their bodies makes far more sense. This really is an excellent move.
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Looks safe to me.
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Not surprising as the Ivy League distances itself as much as possible from big time football.
They don't even participate in the NCAA Tournament.
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Harvard leads Michigan.
The Michigan robotics team picks up the slack for that period.
To date, the robots aren't very good. Probably only a matter of time until they are taking over the human species.
I, for one, welcome our new robot overloads, even if they are sub-optimal at soccer.
Get it right or they'll kill you and everyone you care about.
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I am of the political party that gets involved in this stuff, and it makes me sick. I played football. I knew the risks of playing football just as I knew the risk of throwing a baseball toward a hitter sixty feet away who wanted to send it back at me with as much force as possible. I played the games because they were FUN. They were RELAXING. It helped shape me into who I am.
It was the best time of my life getting bruised up against my friends. Slamming helmets into one another in the Oklahoma Drill at Spring Practice. Football is the one game where it's okay to hit other people. It's good for some people -- an escape from the problems of the world that so many kids experience at home, in the streets, and in their neighborhoods. Just because a few guys got depressed after a few too many collisions is not a reason to ruin it for the rest of us that loved the game and have done no harm to ourselves or those around us.
Let this sink in: a kid who goes to an Ivy League school and doesn't get to play until his senior year will have gone nearly four calendar years without tackling on a football field or being tackled. What is the point of even practicing and playing the game at that point? He could go play intramurals (if the Ivy League schools even have such a thing) and not have nearly the time commitment for the same exact thing.
I went to Dartmouth. I know folks on the football team. You know, the football team that hasn't full-contact tackled in practice since 2010, and has finished in the top 3 in the league each of the last 3 seasons. Why don't you ask them if there was any "point" to playing competitive football.
And I bet they're going to be real happy they didn't addle their brains / peak at 20 when they start working as regular Joes.
football back in their day is a fool. At least when trying to compare themselves to current players. You only knew some of the risks. We know know a lot more now than ever before, and anyone who thinks we know all the risks now is still fooling themself. Judging what we should do today based on the limited science from the past is likewise foolish.
If you had bothered to read the article, you would note that they are banning tackling only during in the in-season practices, not altogether. Dartmouth is doing what they do on their own. The NFL has also cut down the number of full contact practices. I expect the rest of CFB will follow suit, just not to the same extent as the Ivy League.
This is probably a good idea. The game of football needs to change to protect its players.
There has to be a Family Guy, London Sillinannies reference to be made out there somewhere. Alas, my forum skills are still insufficient to make such magical wonders happen.
Dartmouth gets it, they actually get what football is all about. Why even have the kids tackling the dummies, why don't we have bigger robots destroying other bigger robots. This is the ground floor of the evolution of the game. I'm seeing a bright future - Robot NFL, Robo-Goodell on a 40 Million bitcoin salary. This is how we FIX FOOTBALL guys, by MAKING IT SAFE
This topic is really interesting for me since last month I finished my PhD at Michigan and now work at Dartmouth.
I think Dartmouth won the league last year... so it must not be the worst idea. Forward thinking... if you had 11 of these dumbies that were computer controlled and cordinated, you could implement other teams offensises, simulate actual game speed, and give players a chance to practice against their competition before the game.
to tackle with our shoulder pads (hit, lift, and drive).
We can have football much the way it is, with the absolute insistence, through rules and referee implementation, that there be no contact with the head, or near the head. Tackling everywhere from the neck on down leaves plenty of room for good, solid impact.
Tackle as hard as you can. Just stay away from the other players head, and don't use your head in any way, shape or form to augment a tackle.
Isolated incidents are bound to occur, but hitting and tackling can evolve to keep the head area out of harms way in most instances.
Essentially, the human brain is suspended in a water bath adjacent a relatively hard shell and the spring-like spinal column supports the shell in the vertical dimension. The head itself does not need to be contacted in order for the brain to receive permanent injury due to impact given the spine can transmit shock force into the head whereby the brain contacts the hard shell. Repeated injuries to the brain do not allow the organ to rewire and recover properly. The literature is out there for perusal, and forward-thinking institutions are redesigning their practices to prevent recurrent brain injuries. I personally believe this is a good thing from a societal and individual fairness perspective, you are free to disagree.
Football changed with the forward pass. The game can be modified again to protect the players without detracting from the fan experience and, in fact, I believe that with changes to enable lateral passing and drop kicking the game could be made livelier and more compelling.
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Link to SI article titled "More than just smart guys: Harvard's reputation growing in the NFL"
Just in case you felt sorry for athletic dudes who also go to Harvard and control most of the Universe.
Just like you shouldn't join Marine Corps infantry if you don't want to get shot at.
High risk, high reward for the opportunity to play college football and try out for the NFL.
Just get about cloning expendables for our amusement, shall we? Until then ....
a degree from a school like Michigan and a football scholarship is your only ticket to getting one?
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I have a feeling that in about 10-15 years, there are going to be a lot of Huge college stadiums available for the lacrosse and soccer teams to use whenever they want.
If football is going to stay anything like it is now these changes have to be made. You can teach how to tackle without regular full contact practices. All good research on the subject says this will help players' health.
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