Is a 4-team playoff the best model?

Submitted by Gulogulo37 on

I didn't think about it until I read this article, but...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-greenstein-college-f…

I haven't heard anyone talking about expanding the playoff field this year. I'm not so sure now, but before, I was in favor of a 6-team playoff with byes for the top 2. I think this might be what Brian advocated also. I always thought 8 was too much. With 6, you could have all the Power 5 conference champs and 1 more team that was a runner-up or an independent or even a non-Power 5 champ.

The author here makes some good points in favor of keeping it at 4 teams.

"Check out the rankings: Iowa is No. 5, followed by Stanford, Ohio State and Notre Dame. If you included all these teams, you would have effectively rendered the Big Ten title game irrelevant. And Michigan State's stunning victory in Columbus. And Notre Dame's loss to Stanford.

And you'd still have No. 9 Florida State and No. 10 North Carolina, two-loss teams just like Notre Dame, howling over perceived injustice."

With the 4-team playoff, the regular season is just as important, and even more interesting, because with just a couple games to go, seemingly everyone in the top 15 had a chance to get into the playoff if things fell their way. And I think it's at least as fair as any other system would be. 2 teams is too strict. 8 teams lets in too many teams who just don't have resumes that compare to the top teams.

At some point the toll taken playing more and more games does add up, but in terms of the enjoyment and fairness of the sport itself, a 6-team playoff still may be best. Having said that, do you really think Iowa should be in there? I don't. And that would have taken away from the B1G championship game since it would have just been for seeding. I would like to see Stanford in there though; I can't say they're a step down from the current playoff field or undeserving. I also think 6 would have been better last year. There was definitely a good case for TCU or Baylor.

Thoughts?

TraumaRN

December 8th, 2015 at 6:55 AM ^

I'll channel Andy Staples a bit and say it should be 8 teams. I look at that and as a fan salivate over some of those matchups. 

1 Clemson vs 8 Notre Dame (First game was epic, 2nd game probably just as much)

2 Alabama vs 7 Ohio State (Saban's revenge??)

3 MSU vs 6 Stanford (beat each other with large rocks football, B1G vs Pac 12 tradition)

4 Oklahoma vs 5 Iowa (Air Raid vs Ferentz's pretty great secondary)

 

Of course with an 8 team playoff these ranking and teams may be a bit different but still. I really think some amazing games would ensue

 

 

Michigan4Life

December 8th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^

Based on your logic, there should be argument for basketball to shorten the season because NCAA tournament. They missed more classes than football players. Football players have it easy compared to basketball players. Hell, you can say the same for baseball and softball. They play a shit ton of games and have to travel a lot.



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Mr Miggle

December 8th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^

More teams would lead to more good games. If the playoff expands, that will be the reason. Not to make the system fairer or to guarantee a worthy champion, but to have more games and generate more revenue. If the tradeoff is to shorten the regular season, those ideas lose their appeal.

carolina blue

December 8th, 2015 at 6:56 AM ^

I don't think you can necessarily say that the big ten champ game was just for seeding. If there actually were 6 teams getting in the playoff, the committee may decide that Iowa doesn't deserve to get in and move them down so that some other team gets in. Since there's only four teams in, anything outside of 4 is more or less irrelevant.



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NCMtnBlue

December 8th, 2015 at 6:59 AM ^

However, if expansion comes along, I have always thought 12 was the perfect #.  16 is too much.  6 or 8 will usually leave out a few good teams.  12 should get all the teams who could actually win it all, and you can reward the best 4 with a bye.  This also helps good teams in smaller conferences have a better opportunity to get in the playoffs.

ijohnb

December 8th, 2015 at 7:32 AM ^

is the key right there. If you are going to expand it you have to expand it far enough to justify drastic changes to the regular season and the bowl season. At some point, the Rose Bowl is going to cease being the Rose Bowl if you are playing it with unranked teams. They would essentially have to go all in with the playoff, like 32 teams, eliminate the non-conference, and eliminate bowl games. We would be talking fundamental changes to the sport.

MGoStrength

December 8th, 2015 at 7:09 AM ^

In terms of watching the games and who is capable of beating who I don't see much difference between #1 and #8, but I do like the idea of maintaining the importance of the regular season and conference championship.  But, at the same time there are teams like Iowa who are there primarily due to being in the right half of the conference.  Everyone knows OSU is better than Iowa, but Iowa didn't play UM, MSU, or OSU.  So, is that fair either?  If we want fairness then we should get rid of divisions and let everyone play a rotating schedule or just play in-conference and get rid of out of conference games.  I don't think 4 teams is enough though.  What the right number is probably is different every year.

 

I do agree that too many games is not always good.  But, the toll of the season is not when these extra games are being played when there's been 3-5 weeks to rest.  The toll of these games happens in the last 3-4 games of the regular season IMO.  That's from a purely physical standpoint however without considering the effect of the games on travel and academics of young kids lives.

Gulogulo37

December 8th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^

I do definitely think it's kind of dumb arguing about the fairness of the playoffs when it's really the wonky conferences that make things unfair. Conference championship games are really dumb if we're trying to be fair. And yes, these giant conferences are making things much worse. A team can get lucky with a shitty division and weak crossover games.

jblaze

December 8th, 2015 at 7:17 AM ^

It makes the conference championship games count and it forces conferences as a whole to play tougher OOC games and get better.

I think the top 4 from this and last year have been spot on, so it's worked for 2 years at least.

MGoStrength

December 8th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^

But, it still gives inherent advantages to certain teams certain years that play in the easier half of a conference and don't have difficult crossover games, ala Iowa this year.  What about getting rid of OOC games and making everyone play everyone in conference?  Then everyone would probably have to have the same number of teams in a conference like 12, but why not do that?

wresler120

December 8th, 2015 at 7:18 AM ^

I think 6 teams is the route to go. The Playoffs should include the P5 conference champs and 1 additional team. This year you would have Bama, MSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Stanford and Iowa with Clemson and Bama getting byes.



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HateSparty

December 8th, 2015 at 7:28 AM ^

Season games in some case are too important. I like an eight team model. The power five conference champs and three at-large. You insulate against a start of the year stumble while allowing the teams playing the best to get in.



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umfan323

December 8th, 2015 at 7:30 AM ^

I want to see the madness that is March in December and January...most teams are done by beginning of December... Start the tournament a week later with higher seed getting home games..10 regular season games...

shoes

December 8th, 2015 at 7:32 AM ^

I side with the people that advocate 8 and give home field to the higher seeds in the first round, how huge would that be? I do think we will stick with 4 for a few more years. This year the top 4 seemed pretty logical. Stanford might argue but they did have 2 losses. There will be years though when the top 4 won't be sorted out so logically.

gbdub

December 8th, 2015 at 8:48 AM ^

It is kind of weird that because of the division structure, OSU got punished more for losing to a very good team than MSU did for losing to a mediocre team. Not that I think we should ever throw out head to head results, but it's certainly one thing I don't like about the mega conference.


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robbyt003

December 8th, 2015 at 7:34 AM ^

I think 8 teams is the best way to go. The 5 conference winners and 3 at large teams. If you only go with one at large team then I foresee a lot of complaining about which team should go. Plus which two teams get byes will be another debate.



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Brewers Yost

December 8th, 2015 at 7:35 AM ^

I am fine with 4 teams but want no more than 6. In both cases the playoffs really start with the conference championship games. More teams than that and you start minimizing the conference championship.



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Jimmyisgod

December 8th, 2015 at 7:38 AM ^

I like 4 and I think as time goes by people will realize how difficult it is to get in and playoff births will mean more. I think people will be surprised at the program's who don't get in even once after 10 years. 4 teams makes it really exclusive and if your conference is week that year you might not have a team get in. There will be years that the Big Ten doesn't get a team in. 4 teams seems perfect and 4 and only 4 teams deserved to get in this season.

Laser Wolf

December 8th, 2015 at 7:40 AM ^

Considering conference championships outside of the quality of the win that comes from the game itself is silly. Should USC have been automatically in if they beat Stanford? Should Florida have been in if they beat Bama?

Gulogulo37

December 8th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^

Well, I mention it in a reply to a comment above, but I agree that conference championship games are stupid in terms of fairness. That's a big part of the problem. But wouldn't it also be dumb to put Bama or Stanford in the playoffs over USC and Florida if they lost to those teams in the last game? Conference championship games are just for a big payday and drama. They don't actually make sense in trying to put together a good system.

Gulogulo37

December 8th, 2015 at 10:28 AM ^

Yeah, but Bama played Florida, not USC. So what if Florida had beaten Bama? Florida wins the SEC in the last game of the season to beat Alabama. Sure, they had looked terrible recently, but they beat Alabama, so they obviously wouldn't have looked so bad then. Suddenly people would be talking about Florida bouncing back and the light going on and exposing Alabama's flaws. And the 2 teams would have had the same record despite Bama looking more impressive for most of it. But they obviously didn't impress against Florida. I think putting Alabama in ahead of Florida if Florida had beaten them to win the conference is crazy.

Mick53

December 8th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^

literally every other college sport (including the other levels of college football) has a full playoff. I believe it should be similar to college basketball where if you win your conference you get an automatic bid, that makes eleven. Then to give the power conferences the advantage you create 5 at large bids and have a 16 team playoff just like a single bracket of the ncaa tourney. I don't want to hear any bullshit about "well that's too many games" because all other levels of football do that. There is plenty of time in December to have three playoff Saturdays, then you sort out the bowls and have a true championship game.