Is a 4-team playoff the best model?
I didn't think about it until I read this article, but...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-greenstein-college-f…
I haven't heard anyone talking about expanding the playoff field this year. I'm not so sure now, but before, I was in favor of a 6-team playoff with byes for the top 2. I think this might be what Brian advocated also. I always thought 8 was too much. With 6, you could have all the Power 5 conference champs and 1 more team that was a runner-up or an independent or even a non-Power 5 champ.
The author here makes some good points in favor of keeping it at 4 teams.
"Check out the rankings: Iowa is No. 5, followed by Stanford, Ohio State and Notre Dame. If you included all these teams, you would have effectively rendered the Big Ten title game irrelevant. And Michigan State's stunning victory in Columbus. And Notre Dame's loss to Stanford.
And you'd still have No. 9 Florida State and No. 10 North Carolina, two-loss teams just like Notre Dame, howling over perceived injustice."
With the 4-team playoff, the regular season is just as important, and even more interesting, because with just a couple games to go, seemingly everyone in the top 15 had a chance to get into the playoff if things fell their way. And I think it's at least as fair as any other system would be. 2 teams is too strict. 8 teams lets in too many teams who just don't have resumes that compare to the top teams.
At some point the toll taken playing more and more games does add up, but in terms of the enjoyment and fairness of the sport itself, a 6-team playoff still may be best. Having said that, do you really think Iowa should be in there? I don't. And that would have taken away from the B1G championship game since it would have just been for seeding. I would like to see Stanford in there though; I can't say they're a step down from the current playoff field or undeserving. I also think 6 would have been better last year. There was definitely a good case for TCU or Baylor.
Thoughts?
December 8th, 2015 at 6:55 AM ^
I'll channel Andy Staples a bit and say it should be 8 teams. I look at that and as a fan salivate over some of those matchups.
1 Clemson vs 8 Notre Dame (First game was epic, 2nd game probably just as much)
2 Alabama vs 7 Ohio State (Saban's revenge??)
3 MSU vs 6 Stanford (beat each other with large rocks football, B1G vs Pac 12 tradition)
4 Oklahoma vs 5 Iowa (Air Raid vs Ferentz's pretty great secondary)
Of course with an 8 team playoff these ranking and teams may be a bit different but still. I really think some amazing games would ensue
December 8th, 2015 at 6:59 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 10:40 AM ^
College basketball desperately needs to shorten the season.
The NHL and NBA need to cut their season in half.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:38 AM ^
Clemson vs. ND is exactly the kind of game that doesn't make me want 8 teams though.
December 8th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^
In TramaRN brackets (above), how much bitching will there be with 3 B1G teams and no other conferences with more than 1?
December 8th, 2015 at 11:30 AM ^
More teams would lead to more good games. If the playoff expands, that will be the reason. Not to make the system fairer or to guarantee a worthy champion, but to have more games and generate more revenue. If the tradeoff is to shorten the regular season, those ideas lose their appeal.
December 8th, 2015 at 6:56 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:39 AM ^
If it were expanded to 6 teams and Iowa did not get in, the entire system would have to be flushed. They deserved a top six ranking.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:40 AM ^
It's true that the rankings could have been different if you're putting in those 5th and 6th teams, but then who else would get in besides Stanford if not Iowa? Ohio State? They're certainly not any more deserving. Notre Dame?
December 8th, 2015 at 6:59 AM ^
However, if expansion comes along, I have always thought 12 was the perfect #. 16 is too much. 6 or 8 will usually leave out a few good teams. 12 should get all the teams who could actually win it all, and you can reward the best 4 with a bye. This also helps good teams in smaller conferences have a better opportunity to get in the playoffs.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:09 AM ^
December 8th, 2015 at 7:23 AM ^
It is a conditional argument. I prefer the option of 4 to help preserve some purpose of the remaining bowl games. However, if you must expand, and make all the other bowl games even more meaningless, then I prefer to go beyond 6 or 8.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:32 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:09 AM ^
In terms of watching the games and who is capable of beating who I don't see much difference between #1 and #8, but I do like the idea of maintaining the importance of the regular season and conference championship. But, at the same time there are teams like Iowa who are there primarily due to being in the right half of the conference. Everyone knows OSU is better than Iowa, but Iowa didn't play UM, MSU, or OSU. So, is that fair either? If we want fairness then we should get rid of divisions and let everyone play a rotating schedule or just play in-conference and get rid of out of conference games. I don't think 4 teams is enough though. What the right number is probably is different every year.
I do agree that too many games is not always good. But, the toll of the season is not when these extra games are being played when there's been 3-5 weeks to rest. The toll of these games happens in the last 3-4 games of the regular season IMO. That's from a purely physical standpoint however without considering the effect of the games on travel and academics of young kids lives.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^
I do definitely think it's kind of dumb arguing about the fairness of the playoffs when it's really the wonky conferences that make things unfair. Conference championship games are really dumb if we're trying to be fair. And yes, these giant conferences are making things much worse. A team can get lucky with a shitty division and weak crossover games.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:17 AM ^
I think the top 4 from this and last year have been spot on, so it's worked for 2 years at least.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:44 AM ^
But, it still gives inherent advantages to certain teams certain years that play in the easier half of a conference and don't have difficult crossover games, ala Iowa this year. What about getting rid of OOC games and making everyone play everyone in conference? Then everyone would probably have to have the same number of teams in a conference like 12, but why not do that?
December 8th, 2015 at 7:18 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:28 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:46 AM ^
Season games are too important sometimes? How so?
December 8th, 2015 at 8:46 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 10:21 AM ^
So you want our games against State to...what? Not count?
December 8th, 2015 at 7:30 AM ^
December 8th, 2015 at 7:32 AM ^
I side with the people that advocate 8 and give home field to the higher seeds in the first round, how huge would that be? I do think we will stick with 4 for a few more years. This year the top 4 seemed pretty logical. Stanford might argue but they did have 2 losses. There will be years though when the top 4 won't be sorted out so logically.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:16 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:34 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:47 AM ^
But like the article said, if you had 8, you'd still have teams like FSU complaining at number 9.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:31 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 10:22 AM ^
Is Iowa a top 4 team? No.
The point is moving to 8 teams doesn't really seem to solve the debate about who got left out. There will always be debate and complaining about who's in and out.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:33 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 8:53 AM ^
Hell, in the NCAA basketball tournament people complain about #64.
So what? It's what we do. It's fun.
December 8th, 2015 at 7:35 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:38 AM ^
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And I think and Iowa/Stanford game could be fun.
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:40 AM ^
December 8th, 2015 at 7:51 AM ^
Well, I mention it in a reply to a comment above, but I agree that conference championship games are stupid in terms of fairness. That's a big part of the problem. But wouldn't it also be dumb to put Bama or Stanford in the playoffs over USC and Florida if they lost to those teams in the last game? Conference championship games are just for a big payday and drama. They don't actually make sense in trying to put together a good system.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:04 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 10:28 AM ^
Yeah, but Bama played Florida, not USC. So what if Florida had beaten Bama? Florida wins the SEC in the last game of the season to beat Alabama. Sure, they had looked terrible recently, but they beat Alabama, so they obviously wouldn't have looked so bad then. Suddenly people would be talking about Florida bouncing back and the light going on and exposing Alabama's flaws. And the 2 teams would have had the same record despite Bama looking more impressive for most of it. But they obviously didn't impress against Florida. I think putting Alabama in ahead of Florida if Florida had beaten them to win the conference is crazy.
December 8th, 2015 at 8:51 AM ^
You want the regular season to matter? Then make the oldest prize of all, a conference championship, mean something.
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December 8th, 2015 at 7:43 AM ^
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December 8th, 2015 at 8:18 AM ^
tl;dr
December 8th, 2015 at 8:45 AM ^
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