Harbaugh and Tom Crean

Submitted by StephenRKass on

This Friday, Jim Harbaugh will in all likelihood catch the non-conference game in Bloomington between Indiana and Eastern Illinois. Harbaugh's sister Joani is married to Indiana basketball coach Tom Crean. Jim and Tom are in regular contact, whether talking or texting.

I've never been a fan of Tom Crean. I haven't liked the way he operates, and really like Beilein much more. I'm glad that Beilein is Michigan's coach. Having said that, I'm wondering if I've been too harsh on Crean. I wonder if he is competitive just like Jim Harbaugh, doing the same kinds of things Jim Harbaugh does. Do I give a pass to Harbaugh for Crean like behavior because Harbaugh is our coach? Or, does Harbaugh really not like Crean, but he befriends him because Crean is married to Jim's sister? Or is it the case that Harbaugh and I just really disagree on this matter.

Maybe some of you more familiar with Harbaugh and with Crean can comment intelligently on their relationship. Because this is one area where on the face of things, I disagree with Coach Harbaugh.

EDIT:  negged myself. A stupid thread and stupid question. Of course you are always going to hate your rivals, and the coaches of your rivals. Still, I learned a little bit about Crean in the thread below. And the reality is that sometimes, coaches get along with rival coaches from other schools, even if they want their own school to always win. Think Bo and Woody.

ijohnb

November 10th, 2015 at 3:48 PM ^

don't get what is going to come of this thread.  I don't think many people on this blog really comment about Crean in the "real life" kind of way.  Like, "I hate Mark Dantonio" doesn't mean I actually hate him.  I hate him in the WWE way that fans are supposed to hate a rival coach.  He could be a really good dude and I would have no clue.

Let's let Harbaugh, like, visit with a family member without deciding whether it is good, bad, or indifferent.

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UMClassOf2018

November 10th, 2015 at 6:40 PM ^

This is so true. Two years ago I went to the Michigan/MSU game in EL. My cousins are close with a big booster who is tight with Tom Izzo, and I met him at a tailgate before the event while decked out in Michigan gear. He couldn't have been nicer and had a great sense of humor, and I thoroughly enjoyed talking to him. Doesn't make me "hate" him less as a coach despite him being a good guy when I talked to him

BlueinLansing

November 10th, 2015 at 3:50 PM ^

whats going on in the program that causes so much attrition, forced or otherwise.  As has been proven since Sir Bobby Knight left its probably the highest pressure cooker job in the league and Crean seems to show that emotionally more than he probably should.

 

 

ijohnb

November 10th, 2015 at 4:04 PM ^

about that as well.  What I have noticed from Indiana is that they just play really fast paced, there is not much of an "offense" per se, it is just more of a track meet.  I wonder if it is conditioning based and he just works the kids to death and some of them are just like screw this. 

MGoDillon

November 10th, 2015 at 3:51 PM ^

Wtf??? You're asking us if you should like someone or not. Just because a coach of a team you like happens to be his brother in law? Do you realize how sad that sounds?



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Evil Empire

November 10th, 2015 at 4:17 PM ^

He's a poor man's Calipari...recruit talent and let it rip.  He gets a lot of credit for Dwyane Wade and Victor Oladipo.  In the five combined years those guys played for him, his teams were 121-49 (55-31 conf), .712 and .640 respectively

In the years without them, his teams were 348-186 (87-117), .532 and .426 respectively.

NCAA tournament record with Wade and Oladipo: 6-4.

Without them: 0-4 in 11 seasons.

jonesie022

November 10th, 2015 at 4:18 PM ^

I'm actually holding out hope that Harbaugh Will be in attendance at Brandon Peters' state semifinal game just 40 minutes north of Bloomington on Friday night.

The dude flew to Florida on the bye week to see two uncommitted recruits for God sakes...



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jonesie022

November 10th, 2015 at 4:54 PM ^

I guess supporting a kid that you've recruited and seeing him play possibly his final high school game might be part of showing the kid that you are not going to just stop "recruiting" him because he's committed is overrated.

Do you still buy roses for your wife even though you're already married?

Anyone on here coach? Had a high school kid go to the next level and you go check out his game? Or do you just forget about him/her after he/she graduates.

Look, I see the validity of your points, but creating relationships is what this business is all about.

The kid is about to play the most important game of his life and perhaps Harbaugh making an appearance shows the kid that Michigan is going to support him to the very end.



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Lie-Cheat-Steal

November 10th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^

You don't need to be in agreement with every Harbaugh opinion on people or life in general.  

Just as long as you realize that your opinions are shit and wrong when you disagree with him.

 

StephenRKass

November 10th, 2015 at 5:27 PM ^

Thanks so much for sharing this story. It was the kind of thing I was curious about. In retrospect, I should have just googled the Indy Star instead of posting the question about the relationship between Harbaugh and Crean. But I kind of wondered at the villiany ascribed to Crean. Much appreciated. I still am curious about the attrition on IU's teams, but it sounds like there is more than meets the eye.

BlueMk1690

November 10th, 2015 at 4:42 PM ^

coaching one of your rivals. You don't know him, Jim Harbaugh knows him. I don't have to *like* Tom Crean because Jim Harbaugh knows and appears to like him but I can concede that I don't really know Tom Crean and have no way of judging him as a person.

Maybe Dantonio is a decent guy, maybe I'd be friends with him if he was my co-worker, who knows. Sport is spectacle, it's a drama played out for the audience, we all have our villains and heroes but it has little to do with the actual people behind the facade.

FrankMurphy

November 10th, 2015 at 4:48 PM ^

I couldn't care less about Harbaugh's relationship with Crean. Most of us dislike Crean, but that doesn't mean we should expect Harbaugh to share our opinion of him or to not support his brother-in-law. Conversely, we don't have to like Crean just because Harbaugh likes him. 

Albatross

November 10th, 2015 at 4:48 PM ^

your rivals hate your coach. So no need to apoloize for not liking a rival coach, regardless of their assoications. You never want to have a coach that your rivals like (see Hoke).