Monday Perspective.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:43 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
Nope - they have a fun, energetic new coach who should still be here IMO but got treated like absolute shit by people who put their own agendas ahead of the program and we're still paying for their selfishness today. I hope they go 14-0.Couldn't have said it better. I hope those people are happy that they got a coach who plays "Michigan football."
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
I assure you there will be a mouth breather on here to inform you that through the same point in three seasons at Michigan, Hoke has a better record than RR at Arizona, as if RR inherited anything close to the same level of talent or Arizona has anywhere close to the same recruiting pull as Michigan.
Hopefully this deters them.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
I'd be bringing over a bottle of whiskey and we'd be drinking it right now. Well, actually, after seeing a picture of your bar not long ago, I'd be walking over and we'd be drinking your booze. But you get my drift...
BTW, a dram is a small amount of whiskey, just FYI.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:01 PM ^
The red pill/blue pill thing was a reference to the Matrix, I think, and it roughly means that you can choose and/or create your own reality by choosing to look at things one way, or another.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
I think the red pill was a tracking program in order to find Neo in the human energy farm.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^
Alanis Morrisette song
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
This was how I felt Saturday:
September 22nd, 2014 at 6:15 PM ^
Yes, and as such the red pill is taken to promise a 'harsh reality,' and therein lies the dilemma: my whole life, I've taken the (go) BLUE pill.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:12 PM ^
"I hope they go 14-0."
Well, guess what, they won't. Do you know why they won't? Because their defense under Rich Rodriguez is a joke, just like our defense under Rich Rodriguez was a joke. It's unfathomable to me that people can watch Arizona squeak by a terrible Cal team on a hail mary and say "We should've kept that guy!"
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:14 PM ^
You should be thanking me. I just gave you 20 more minutes to finish your lunch.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:20 PM ^
Yes, but now I'm annoyed, so no thanks for you!
September 22nd, 2014 at 10:36 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:44 PM ^
I really am...
" I think highly of Brady as a man.
I do not think he is a very effective head coach.
Is it worth the 4-6 losses a year?
firing Hoke does nothing without a subsequent "Home Run" hire.
QB is a stretch.
We are not a top 25 program right now but we are not that far away despite how it seems.
There may need to be a change at the top"
We're dead we really are. nothing will ever change.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:47 PM ^
You should prepare yourself for 8 losses this year.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:45 PM ^
I made a delicious lemon cake today. I'm sorry none of you will get to try it.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^
You can`t tease us without at least a recipe.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
go check the recruiting under RR. Hoke's pulling in more highly regarded players than RR did.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:16 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:27 PM ^
The product on the field doesn't give a shit about ratings and said product utilizing these highly regarded players (on offense) is atrocious.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:35 PM ^
Recruiting rankings disagree.
RR recruiting:
2008: #10
2009: #8
2010: #20
Average: #12.7
Hoke recruiting:
2011: #21
2012: #7
2013: #5
2014: #31
Average: #16
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:44 PM ^
RR's first class was ranked 8th overall on Rivals. It also produced a bunch of really good players (like, way more than Hoke's first class, and it isn't even close). Then Dave Brandon got hired and started telling recruits he had no idea who the coach would be by the time anybody got to campus. While former Carr players were telling kids to go to State (and Rodriguez had only finished two seasons here, completely with leftover players he hadn't recruited). He got two full classes and had no instiutional support by the time the second one was ready to sign.
Rodriguez built WVU into a powerhouse that won multiple BCS bowls against power conference champions. He built a team that went 11-2 here. Arizona is going to keep getting better as guys like Solomon and Jones come into the fold. Hoke's last class was ranked 31st on Rivals. This year's is 18th. So the bullshit of judging recruiting based on websites rather than results doesn't support the guy anymore either.
Saying Hoke is a good recruiter because Kalis and Pipkins had lots of stars next to their names is at this point completely idiotic.
September 22nd, 2014 at 4:13 PM ^
Its not about the number of stars in the recruiting website its about the number of stars on the field - right now we aren't developing guys at all
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
4-0 yes, but he is playing at Oregon this week, IIRC.
Anyway, was there doubt he'd be successful there? this time he appears to have some semblance of a defense - he managed to bring over his DC from WVU (Casteel) so he has someone to run his favored 3-3-5 defense.
He also probably has managed to not piss off half the former Ariz. players and coaches, and so might actually be getting the support you would want to get as the HC.
September 22nd, 2014 at 11:35 PM ^
He beat Oregon last year.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:58 PM ^
Go Cards!!! :-)
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:56 PM ^
Can we STFU about RR. He beat CAL and its 1 win last year, and 3 baby seals. He next faces UCLA, USC Oregon, Washington State etc - you know the part of the schedule where his teams face real teams and after a fast start implode? He will continue to 8-5 it in the Pac 12 every year with 3 of those wins coming versus baby seals - and pull off 1 big win every 2 years due to a big offense in a conference that doesnt play defense other than Stanford. Thats good enough for ASU. Not here long term.
2 wrongs dont make a right. Hoke nor RR were the right coaches. Move on.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
Tagline no longer applies RE: 2014.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^
RR had a class of 5 WRs, all of which flamed out aside from Dileo. And that class had 2 OL. RR would have won in 2011 just like Hoke did. Maybe not 11 games because he was not given money to get a DC. So he would have won 9 games maybe (or 10) in 2011 due to the schedule, OSU being a joke, etc.
Then 2012 would have happened and he'd be facing the same black hole his recruiting brought us on the OL. And 2013. And 2014. Combined with a much worse defense than Mattison has given us. The 2011 team people focus on Denard and the offense but that defense improved from 100 something to top 15. That would not have happened under RR.
I am not a RR hater. I thought after being rejected by a few other candidates he was a great fall back option. He looked like a big winner at WVA. What has been proven in the interim is the Big east of the 2000s is the Big 10 of the 2010s. He won big in a sh** conference - kudos to him. We cannot even win average in a sh** conference anymore. For various reasons it didnt work out and I am only "mad" because people keep revising history - we had an offense that did well versus baby seals and average Big 10 teams. Most (not all) of the time it faced a good defense it sucked. And our defense was a joke.
re: Oregon - as I said his offense will go off here and there and allow for a stunning win versus a real team. In between that he will have a lot of 45-34 games - sometimes winning sometimes losing. The same score most of the time. His offense will stun baby seals along the way. It is what it is and he is at the right school for that. In the righ conference where 40-37 is a typical score. I have no ill will to him and wish him the best - it was not a good fit here for various reasons and why people want to keep bringing him up now is beyond me.
September 22nd, 2014 at 4:09 PM ^
Let's dissect Beilein's record after 3 years, assume things can't get better, discredit his past accomplishments, and then fire that West Virginia hillbilly. Then when he takes over a 4-8 team that lost an NFL QB (Foles), its top RB, and top 3 WR and immediately has the new school playing above their historical norm (and at a higher level than Michigan), let's continue to nitpick and make assumptions rather than waiting until year 4 and beyond to see what kind of team he is actually building (you know, the mistake people made when they assumed Michigan was headed in the wrong direction with RR and the right direction with the Hokester).
Sounds pretty fucking dumb, doesn't it. But Beilein showed less promise after three years here, had done less (RR's WVU teams beat the Big 12 and SEC champs in bowl games, so not sure how much merit LOL-BigEast has), and inherited a stronger team (Harris, Simms, and Udoh had the makings of a strong nucleus). I'm glad we didn't fire him after three years.
September 22nd, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^
Hell, the dude gave us a gift wrapped 11 win season, if that's not the truth then what is?I don't think that's the truth at all. I don't think for a minute that the Richrod/Gerg/Gibson brain trust would have gotten our D to play anywhere near the level it did. RichRod was a good offensive coach but bad defensive coach. Hoke seems to be the reverse. 2011 was the best of both worlds in that we basically had a RichRod offense and Hoke defense.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:21 PM ^
not Arizona State
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:51 PM ^
Also, I don't give a shit if he is nice or not. Winning football games and be a dick sounds awesome.
September 22nd, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
From someone who has never made a thread.
Whenever you put a period at the end of your thread title, it is a flashing neon sign that you have made a terrible post. I don't know why. I am not sure what in the human psyche causes snowflake posters to put periods at the end of their thread titles. Maybe it's a subconscious way of saying "I have heard all of your thoughts, but my thoughts are superior?" Or "these thoughts are going to be the end of the discussion?" I don't know. Whatever the cause, don't do it because the first thing you are communicating is condescension toward the readers, which doesn't usually go over well around here.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:04 PM ^
Using a period equates to condescension? I love Mgoblog! (notice that I wrote the word period, but did not actually use a period as punctuation, out of respect)
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:24 PM ^
And you are worried about punctuation in a thread, not that is showing the perspective the OP was looking for.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:54 PM ^
Putting a period at the end of a title is technically wrong, or at least, wrong as a matter of style. It doesn't come across as condescending, just looks funny.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^
The calculus should be simple. In year 4 you know what you have with Hoke. You also should know what you would like your team to be. Do the two things come close to matching? No? Then there's only one rational thing to do. I could understand if there is simply no coach in America better than Hoke and you're just stuck, but come on. Really? Michigan can't afford to get any coach better than this and has to wait around until it can? Ok then...
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
and No. 3 in total defense? Baylor
NCAA Total Offense Rankings as of 9/22:
Rank | Team | G | Plays | YDS | Yds/Play | Off TDs | TDs | YPG |
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1 | Baylor | 3 | 253 | 1963 | 7.76 | 25 | 25 | 654.3 |
2 | Texas A&M | 4 | 304 | 2450 | 8.06 | 29 | 29 | 612.5 |
3 | Western Ky. | 3 | 276 | 1826 | 6.62 | 16 | 17 | 608.7 |
4 | Marshall | 4 | 304 | 2387 | 7.85 | 23 | 23 | 596.8 |
5 | Arizona | 4 | 340 | 2375 | 6.99 | 20 | 20 | 593.8 |
6 | Alabama | 4 | 312 | 2350 | 7.53 | 21 | 21 | 587.5 |
7 | East Carolina | 4 | 310 | 2326 | 7.50 | 22 | 23 | 581.5 |
8 | Nebraska | 4 | 289 | 2239 | 7.75 | 21 | 23 | 559.8 |
9 | Oregon | 4 | 273 | 2221 | 8.14 | 26 | 27 | 555.3 |
10 | West Virginia | 4 | 354 | 2206 | 6.23 | 17 | 18 | 551.5 |
Rank | Team | G | Plays | YDS | Yds/Play | Off TDs | Opp TDs | YPG |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Stanford | 3 | 169 | 613 | 3.63 | 1 | 1 | 204.3 |
2 | TCU | 2 | 135 | 411 | 3.04 | 2 | 3 | 205.5 |
3 | Baylor | 3 | 195 | 663 | 3.40 | 3 | 3 | 221.0 |
4 | Pittsburgh | 4 | 230 | 944 | 4.10 | 9 | 9 | 236.0 |
5 | Alabama | 4 | 222 | 1001 | 4.51 | 3 | 5 | 250.3 |
6 | Oregon St. | 3 | 184 | 765 | 4.16 | 7 | 7 | 255.0 |
7 | Louisville | 4 | 249 | 1026 | 4.12 | 6 | 6 | 256.5 |
8 | Michigan | 4 | 248 | 1044 | 4.21 | 8 | 9 | 261.0 |
9 | Wisconsin | 3 | 181 | 798 | 4.41 | 5 | 5 | 266.0 |
10 | Penn St. | 4 | 245 | 1083 | 4.42 | 5 | 5 | 270.8 |
Things could be a lot worse you guyz....
In the age old "defense wins championships" theory, Michigan should win the fucking Big Ten this year.
Entropy's response to "defense wins championships" is ironically rather predictable: "Fuck you! Not when you're turning the ball over 4 times a game!"
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
Now show scoring offense and scoring defense.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:31 PM ^
Baylor is 1st in the country scoring offense (59.3 PPG) and 2nd in the country in scoring defense, giving up 9 PPG.
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:05 PM ^
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September 22nd, 2014 at 3:08 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:09 PM ^
September 22nd, 2014 at 3:10 PM ^
I took a pretty decent shit this morning.