PSU Trustees to Consider Naming Field for Joe Paterno
Obviously, Michigan's hands aren't entirely clean on the same issue, but I had thought these folks were basically done. Can't imagine this goes through, but what do I know.
February 16th, 2024 at 3:40 PM ^
The Paterno Nasser Anderson Family Football Coach
February 16th, 2024 at 4:13 PM ^
Endowed by the estate of Jeffrey Epstein
February 16th, 2024 at 7:16 PM ^
Brought to you by Representative Jim Jordan of Ohio.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:51 PM ^
Don't forget Strauss.
February 16th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
You're missing one integral name, Sandusky.
February 16th, 2024 at 8:19 PM ^
Showers are already named after him.
February 16th, 2024 at 6:16 PM ^
How about Clark Fredericks Stadium, after the guy who recovered after being abused by his scoutmaster.
During sentencing, the judge apologized for having to sentence him to 5 years minus time served, which he used wisely to get treatment, therapy and unscramble his mind. Now he helps others who have been abused salvage what's left of their lives.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gTedz_OCZY
*Edited to make less graphic. Many of us come on this site for a diversion from the negativity in the world. If you'd like more detail click the link.
February 16th, 2024 at 3:41 PM ^
Oof. I can’t see how this is going to end well for PSU. Seems crazy that they’re even attempting this.
February 16th, 2024 at 5:29 PM ^
A sin is a sin is a sin. Nothing can be named after anyone other than Jesus with your criteria.
He was likely deceptive and allowed terrible acts to continue, yes.
February 16th, 2024 at 6:41 PM ^
I think some things are definitely worse than others. For example, covering for a child molester is worse than stealing a loaf of bread for your sister's starving child.
February 16th, 2024 at 7:57 PM ^
“I think” what you think doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. We all like to think it does, but it doesn’t. Not in the Lord’s eyes is one sin worse than another. All sins are forgivable except blaspheming the Holy Spirit. If you disagree that God exists then what makes what Paterno did, wrong? or for that matter what makes anything bad/wrong? Cause you say so? Only knowing and accepting that there’s a “good” can make there be something that is bad or evil. Im sure as heck not getting my standards from this world if that’s what you’re getting at.
February 16th, 2024 at 7:59 PM ^
So you believe in a god that has those on equal leveling? And they both suffer for eternity for it? Your god is a cunt.
Edit: Also imaginarey and ridiculous
February 16th, 2024 at 8:35 PM ^
Yes.
if they ask for forgiveness, repent and follow him then neither will suffer for eternity. Thats the good news man. We all fall short.
February 17th, 2024 at 1:32 AM ^
A person only does that if it's part of God's plan, though, right?
February 17th, 2024 at 5:56 AM ^
Chuck if you want an answer I suggest you read John 17.
February 17th, 2024 at 12:25 PM ^
And on the seventh day, Man created God.
February 16th, 2024 at 8:49 PM ^
Your takes are odd.
February 16th, 2024 at 9:00 PM ^
To this world yes.
February 16th, 2024 at 8:58 PM ^
I understand that you believe your morals originate from God and that makes sense in Christianity, but you don't see how that could work in a universe without a god? You should check out some ethical philosophy concepts. There's a lot of discussion of the types of ethical systems and even potential natural origins or ethics.
I'm not saying you have to believe it, but understanding where others come from might be beneficial for you.
February 16th, 2024 at 9:01 PM ^
Thank you for the kind conversation. I understand where others come from. Im 39 and spent ages 13-33 exploring exactly what you stated.
February 17th, 2024 at 12:13 PM ^
Even taking equivalence of sin as a given, it can still be worthy of condemnation to honor serial predators and their enablers. Your book may claim that child rape is no worse than doing yard work on the Sabbath, but humans have more localized priorities in evaluating each other’s behavior.
February 17th, 2024 at 1:44 PM ^
"If you disagree that God exists then what makes what Paterno did, wrong? or for that matter what makes anything bad/wrong?" This is one of the most-discussed subjects in philosophy and there is a voluminous amount of literature on this subject. Without disparaging your religious views (I, too, am Christian), I suggest you familiarize yourself with this literature.
Beyond that, we aren't grading religious morality here but rather discussing a school that now wants to name their field after the same guy whose statute they pulled down for what most people at the time thought were very good reasons.
February 17th, 2024 at 3:57 PM ^
What a ridiculous take. What was god doing while Sandusky was molesting those kids? You'd think if anyone would know right from wrong, it'd be him.
February 17th, 2024 at 4:39 PM ^
Jesus Christ never claimed this world to be his Kingdom. We live in a fallen world. Bad and evil things happen because this is mans kingdom where satan has power. This power is given to him. Ultimately God wins in the end. Dont blame God for mans evil. We have free will. He gives us all a choice. I would suggest that you realize how long eternity is compared to bad things that happen in this life. Our souls live forever. God refines His for His Glory. The pain and sufferings we go through only make us better and will be long forgotten in eternity.
February 20th, 2024 at 12:06 PM ^
Ah, the without God where do we get any morals canard.
February 16th, 2024 at 7:34 PM ^
This is stupid even by stupid standards.
February 16th, 2024 at 8:20 PM ^
Yep. Everyone is either Jesus or Joe Paterno. No levels between.
February 16th, 2024 at 8:36 PM ^
Not what I said at all.
February 16th, 2024 at 6:20 PM ^
Since OP's link is paywalled, here is one that is not:
Relevant tidbits:
Penn State trustee Anthony Lubrano first ran for a spot on the board almost a dozen years ago because he was “outraged by the firing of Joe Paterno,” per his position statement for the most recent election.
At Friday’s Board of Trustees meeting, Lubrano introduced a resolution to honor the legendary Penn State coach by naming Beaver Stadium after him, per Sports Illustrated’s Mark Wogenrich.
But another trustee issued a statement in which he “humbly asks the resolution be held for a later date.” Said trustee was none other than Jay Paterno, Joe’s son who played and coached under his father at Penn State. Lubrano decided to withdraw the resolution and requested to have the right to reintroduce it later.
Another trustee, Brandon Short, was a consensus All-American linebacker for Paterno in the late 90s. Short said that he was in favor of the resolution...Short was unhappy that Lubrano proposed the resolution and then withdrew it.
So the title is inaccurate. A trustee proposed it, ironically, Jay Paterno requested that it be tabled, and Brandon Short wants it to move forward. Crazy times.
February 16th, 2024 at 3:43 PM ^
Some people don’t learn.
February 16th, 2024 at 3:57 PM ^
Got PSU relatives who swear JoePa is completely innocent to this day.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:04 PM ^
Cognitive dissonance is a great consolation: by means of it one gets successfully through many a bad night.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:30 PM ^
I mean there is a large portion of this board who think Bo is totally squeaky clean on the Dr. Anderson thing and is fine keeping statues and buildings named after him.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:44 PM ^
Yes, and it's unreal.
February 16th, 2024 at 7:19 PM ^
I think it’s a generational thing. But yeah bring down the Bo statue. We got two other modern coaches who have won national titles that can be celebrated without pause.
February 16th, 2024 at 7:42 PM ^
This is the right answer
February 17th, 2024 at 5:07 AM ^
It's not a completely generational thing. I'm 63, so Bo was the Coach when I started my UM fandom and all through my formative years. To me, he was The Man at Michigan. Later in my 30's he and Brandy were the guest speakers at a luncheon my organization held. Instead of my usual suit, I wore my Michigan jersey. When he saw me standing at the reception desk, he pointed at me and barked "Hey number 12!", and I replied "Coach." That exchange with The Man made my day.
But if he knew about what Anderson was doing to his players, or to any young person, and he did nothing? A man of his magnitude at Michigan, and he simply shrugged his shoulders and sat on his hands and let it happen? Then pull the statue down, and sandblast his name off the hall that bears it. Because whatever "leadership" is supposed to mean, that certainly isn't it.
February 17th, 2024 at 8:52 AM ^
Over the past 15-20 years, it’s become increasingly clear to me that almost no human should have their name placed on a building/field/etc.
A few exceptions would be MLK, Rosa Parks, Jonas Salk and the dude/dudette that came up with Blistex.
February 17th, 2024 at 2:04 PM ^
your last line is very good, but i have to ask why you left off the inventor of bacon?
February 16th, 2024 at 3:45 PM ^
Very on-brand for these folks and fanbase.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:27 PM ^
What's the name of the Michigan football building?
February 16th, 2024 at 5:27 PM ^
Schembechler. Yes, it’s very bad.
February 17th, 2024 at 1:09 AM ^
The difference is that it was named such before the Dr. Anderson stuff came out. Nobody would consider naming a building after Bo now, plus a large percentage if not the majority of people want the statue gone now.
Ped State fans are another level of delusional. They'd name their shower's soap dishes after Jerry Sandusky without a second thought.
February 16th, 2024 at 3:46 PM ^
Why would you pick at that particular scab?
February 16th, 2024 at 3:47 PM ^
Who are these people? Same for Michigan admin, why are they so out of touch they think we should still be naming stuff after either Paterno or Schembechler??
February 16th, 2024 at 4:09 PM ^
Jay Paterno for one. Issue is punted for now.
February 16th, 2024 at 4:16 PM ^
Really? Is this some sort of attempt to maintain relevancy for him and the name?
February 16th, 2024 at 4:47 PM ^
Jay is playing the long game. Some slappy named Lubrano proposed it. Jay got a defense of the "legacy" on the record with the Board then asked for the issue to be backburnered. For now.
I think this was a trial balloon - get the idea out there then gauge the backlash while no question was pending. Re-raise it if the support seems to be there, without an embarassing loss or worse, a Board reversal after a public backlash.
February 16th, 2024 at 5:31 PM ^
Jay sucks in ALL aspects of his professional life. He's a failure as a football caoch, he's a failure in all of his various lawsuits against PSU and the NCAA, he's a failure in his business ventures, he's a failure as an attempted politician, and he's a failure as a PSU Board member.
Well, check that. He's not a failure at everything! He WAS successful at collecting a pay check, and being a paid shill for the Saudi Arabian government a few years ago! (bizarre bizarre story)
But anyway. If Jay thinks he is "playing the long game" and if Jay thinks he is working toward a multi-move checkmate in 4-dimensional chess --- that sounds good to me!
Truth is, he's an idiot, and even if given 6 hours to look at the board, he couldn't identity a 1-move checkmate in 2-dimensional chess.