The OSU Dirt - Can It Even Be Weopnized
Many of you will poo-poo this post and don't think I'm credible, but I know for a fact as do most folks that are actual insiders at Schembechler Hall (which I am not), that UM has binders and folders full of dirt on mainly OSU and other programs from just the past decade. Some has indeed been reported and the NCAA just ignored it. I would love for Brian or Sam Webb or others to confirm, but my buddy who was formerly employed by the AD is not a bullshitter, has shared just what he knows...and I'm certain it goes much deeper than what he - an assistant staffer - knew.
I'm disgusted we capitulated give the PI investigation and PR hit job led by OSU. And yes, it was OSU that hired the PI. The entire situation is fucking absurd for a level 3 violation.
1) OSU has been playing players for years, well before NIL
2) OSU continues to pay players (just for recruiting visits - CHEATING!, even under NIL). I have 4 names of commits from this fucking cycle they paid for visits (illegal!) and then promised very nice packages (legal). Let's just say Larry Johnson wasn't pulling in the 5 stars this cycle until Ryan Day asked for $15mil more in NIL - which was misappropriated towards visits.
I absolutely guarantee what happened with SIGNGATE!!!! would make other programs look like serial killers if all cards were put on the table. Anybody that knows the inner working of NCAA football, at places like Bama, UGA, OSU, and are saying anything about UM right now, are absurd hypocrites, projecting like crazy, or have an agenda to push (CLICKS!).
Further, this is so fucking absurd as the NCAA has had a hard-on for Harbaugh since the satellite camps and then his comments on rev share. It doesn't take a genius to see what this is about.
The NCAA which is supposed to help and promote college athletes does everything in their power to limit their financial upside and optionality, then shit on a coach and label him a "cheater" based on what is at most a level 3 violation. ESPN, Thamel, etc getting clicks for the outrage machine and rival fanbases with soft shit teams crying like bitches.
I know with 99% certainty that UM has a ton of dirt on OSU.
The question now is, how to weaponize it and leave or at least damage the B1G. UM was sooooo far behind on this in the PR war, that their intel is essentially useless at this point. Anything that drips out now will still pale in comparison to SIGNGATE!, and that is what's most frustrating here.
I know, for a fact, after the Rutgers, OSU, Purdue collusion was pushed out, and it barely moved the national media dialogue and narrative on UM, there was a sense of defeat in the athletic dept. about how leaking trash about OSU would help UM. UM got beat off the field on this one, no other way to really spin it.
Downvote me to hell, I'm sure many don't believe what my buddy has shared at this point, but I am steadfast in the amount of dirt UM has on OSU, and the firms that UM hired to investigate what happen - helped uncover the Don Brown stolen signals issue, the Rutgers - OSU - Purdue collusion, as well as the fact that OSU continues to break bagging rules (confirmed) even after NIL. One of the firms is also conducting an internal investigation on UM's own "signgate" fwiw - as they attempt to get all the facts to cleanse the situation as much as possible.
I wish a real "insider" or Brian or Webb would confirm what I'm saying and more importantly, wish UM could find a way to weaponize the info.
Downvote me to hell, shit on my credibility - but I know what's been shared to some level
And...Fuck the B1G, Fuck the NCAA.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:00 PM ^
If it existed we'd have seen it by now.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
They leaked OSU-Rutgers-Purdue collusion...Nothing came of it.
It exists, nobody gives a shit. That's the problem.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:07 PM ^
The way OSU is most vulnerable is in their athletes academic eligibility. It isn’t a secret, everyone who works in compliance knows it, at OSU and around the BIG. That’s where they are vulnerable. Even with NIL, you still need grades. That is where they are weakest.
November 17th, 2023 at 5:23 PM ^
OSU players do not even set foot on campus per Justin Fields. They take all online classes at the athletic complex. Probably easy to manipulate grades.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:21 PM ^
We (Michigan) need to accept that right now no one cares because everyones all over the Michigan scandal. You probably need to wait till the offseason or another quiet time of the year
November 17th, 2023 at 2:38 PM ^
It needs to be done after the first Saturday in October. Do it during the mid-season lul.
November 17th, 2023 at 3:09 PM ^
Revenge is a dish best served cold...
November 17th, 2023 at 5:59 PM ^
Is that the chick that threw the shark through the window at her ex boyfriend new girlfriend?
November 17th, 2023 at 2:45 PM ^
Obviously it's not against the rules to hate Michigan and Jim Harbaugh.
November 17th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
The narrative did start to change after that one single leak came out. The problem is that one leak was up against a waterfall of leaks from the other side. The general approach is correct, we just need more of it. One item at a time, multiple friendly media outlets simultaneously, repeat, repeat, repeat.
November 17th, 2023 at 5:40 PM ^
I'm with Bo Harbaugh on ALL of this y'all.
Keep posting Bro.
January 23rd, 2024 at 3:56 PM ^
That’s why you leak it to the media, not the NCAA. Why does Michigan still give them so much credibility?! My god.
Michigan just doesn’t care about winning as much as OSU. If they had all this dirt while getting their butts kicked for a decade, why didn’t they come out with it?! What were they waiting for?! As much as OSU leadership goes waaaay too far, the reason they do because of Michigan’s weak leadership, who can’t even fire Warde. It’s infuriating
November 17th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
Yeah, the idea that all of this is true and Michigan is just sitting on it twiddling their thumbs when it would have at a minimum distracted everyone from our own investigations is...not remotely plausible. Especially the bit about the program informing the NCAA because that would absolutely have left a paper trail. So either it's not true, or if it is true they can't actually prove any of it which means it's worthless.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:10 PM ^
Wakeyleaks was reported to the NCAA a decade ago and nothing came of it until recently.
UM could release a story about how all of OSU's players are paid under the table, with receipts, and nobody would give as shit. We lost the PR war, it's not about facts rn.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
Hell, Wake Forest was left in the dark for three fucking years.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
It could work, but it would have to be done the way it was done to us. Use a 3rd party to have the stuff leaked to 'journalists" in a slow drip. Unfortunately, no one would care right now. Maybe next year? Revenge is a dish best served cold.
November 17th, 2023 at 5:41 PM ^
I am personally glad that people don't give a shit about players getting paid against the rules. People have known about it for years and done nothing, because people believe players should be entitled to the money. Without that attitude being so pervasive we would not have finally gotten players the NIL money they richly deserve.
(that said what happened to Wake is absurd.)
January 23rd, 2024 at 4:17 PM ^
They don't mind because it's booster money. Suggest that the actual revenue pipe should be tapped and see what happens to you.
November 17th, 2023 at 7:57 PM ^
UM’s use of dirt needs to be coordinated and leaked to multiple outlets- NOT the NCAA or B1G. The regulatory bodies don’t give a shit. The targeted PR campaign-enabled hit job that has played out over the past several weeks was a masterclass in political opponent nullification. Follow that blueprint— or STFU and take your beatdown every time in the court of public opinion.
January 23rd, 2024 at 3:56 PM ^
Why didn’t Michigan leak it out when they had a decade to do so?!
November 17th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
This is the obvious answer. The best dirt they had was the collusion stuff and they did leak it. Some of this fan base has gone full conspiracy theorist with horseshit “insider” info.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
Did you mean Welp-onized?
November 17th, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^
Dad joke FTW!
November 17th, 2023 at 2:13 PM ^
I’m all for digging up the derp.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
No. Michigan doesn't have the cojones.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
Just sign Harbaugh to a lifetime contract and have boosters out bid OSU with NIL. Beat them on the field. They cheat? Of course they do, but ultimately if M keeps winning on the field that's all that matters.
January 23rd, 2024 at 3:58 PM ^
OSU will continue digging into Michigan as long as they are good and with the media allies they’ve built, Michigan leadership would have to show me something they haven’t to fight back against OSU.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
"I know with 99% certainty that UM has a ton of dirt on OSU."
I don't believe you.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:03 PM ^
Dude, Harbaugh already called out Day for infraction on a B1G call...
and it was fucking ignored. Wake up. It's not that the dirt isn't there, it's that it's a fucking Kangaroo Court.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:04 PM ^
We already know this part is absolutely true, it's where the "hang 100 on them" comment came from.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
Exactly Harbaugh called out Day as soon as he had something, do you really think he was sitting on a binder full of stuff that he never mentioned? If he could take down OSU with a binder, he would’ve already.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
Maybe Harbaugh is not aware of the binder. Plausible deniability.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:23 PM ^
In fact, this may have been ground zero for the entire "scandal".
November 17th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
Then what Michigan needs to do is work to get more insiders into the Big Ten like OSU obviously has.
November 17th, 2023 at 3:04 PM ^
Yeah, and unlike Day, he did it himself instead of hiding behind a PR firm and anonymous sources
November 17th, 2023 at 5:27 PM ^
Everyone keeps arguing the logic, rules and precedence. Stop.
This is a political, PR fight. We lost this battle and trying to regain ground won’t happen with facts. PR pros > lawyers in this arena.
Keep winning on the field and “get better, not bitter” with this type of off-field fighting.
January 23rd, 2024 at 3:59 PM ^
Then stop telling the NCAA because they obviously are way too political! Dish it to the media! Why is UM so stupid thinking the NCAA will discipline properly? Fool me once, shame on me, fool me 85 times..
January 23rd, 2024 at 4:20 PM ^
Ignored? It wasn't even a month later that Chris Day was filing his legal papers and preparing to quit his day job.
Ignored by the authorities, sure. But OSU damn sure took notice.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:18 PM ^
Exactly. Unless it's 100% then it doesn't matter what you claim to know.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:01 PM ^
At this point I doubt it. It would just be spun back against us as crybabies and we probably have done some of the same things in the past. No one should assume we haven’t paid for players pre-NIL.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:05 PM ^
Again, that's what sucks the most about this: OSU is better at cheating than we are. Much better.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:22 PM ^
We have terrible cheating pad level.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^
logged into upvote.
November 17th, 2023 at 5:32 PM ^
UM looks disorganized and amateurish the last 2 weeks. Of course it does - these issues required rogue actors operating outside the system.
Bama, UGA, OSU, et al never look like this because they have “organized” rule breaking.
November 17th, 2023 at 3:21 PM ^
We need to stop complaining and get better cheaters. /s
November 17th, 2023 at 2:02 PM ^
I won't downvote you, but I only care about Michigan and the rest of this season. I'd like to see our revenge played out on the field first.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:14 PM ^
Exactly. You get payback by winning the whole damn thing! Do you think Ryan Day keeps his job if he loses 3 in a row to Michigan with the last being to an interim coach?
November 17th, 2023 at 2:29 PM ^
If Cryin Day loses 3 in a row to Michigan with the last being to an interim coach, I hope he gets a lifetime contract.
November 17th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
This is literally Michigan's only recourse right now. Win on the field.
And fortunately for Michigan, THAT is where you can hurt OSU the most. You beat them on the field, and their whole world falls apart. We've seen it the last two years in a row.
You beat them next Saturday, under all these circumstances? Their program might implode. There will be literally no excuse for them to hide behind.