BoFan

July 11th, 2020 at 9:45 PM ^

UmFaninflorida, You are an idiot to continue to imply about whether or not the death rate is high or not (which at .5% or 2.5% is vey high especially when unlike flu there is no shot) for which said death rate will increase, and you are like those other idiots that say it’s only old people, who’s lives matter too, because you influence people with your garbage including people like this:

https://apple.news/Ae8zxeRGURHiCyCchtnOOJA

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NeverPunt

July 11th, 2020 at 5:16 PM ^

Fuck everything. I’m not even sure they should be playing football but I’m gonna miss it if they dont

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drjaws

July 11th, 2020 at 7:17 PM ^

no they shouldn’t.

 

But god bless them if they do.  What else am I gonna do this fall?  Edge the garden?  Chop down trees and split wood?  Build end tables and coffee tables in the shop when I don’t need them not have a place to put them?  Have long talks with my wife of 22 years? Have long, inappropriate dreams about the NHL?

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crg

July 11th, 2020 at 5:17 PM ^

The SEC will create its own "bubble facility" where all of its "student-athletes" will live, train, practice, and take "classes" along with coaching staff residing there as well.

Just like the NBA in Disney.

/s

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MichiganStan

July 11th, 2020 at 7:28 PM ^

This is funny because the vast majority of hardest hit areas are Democrat strongholds

You guys blame Trump and supporters meanwhile its cities like detroit with high cases.

Oh and trump supporters didnt gather by the thousands in every city. Not a coincidence the 2nd wave came a couple weeks after protests happemed across the country

 

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mackbru

July 11th, 2020 at 7:52 PM ^

Wow. This is an intensely stupid comment. The reason why the U.S. has been devastated far more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY is because we have a buffoonish president who ignored the problem, called it a hoax, and still pretends it's all "fine."  He cut the country's pandemic response team and unloaded our PPE to China. He's not leading. He's not offering either support or empathy. He's just pretending it will go away and leaving 50 states to fight among themselves. The only developed country that's doing worse is Brazil, which happens to be led by another right-wing fascist who called the virus a hoax. Are you really pretending otherwise? The entire Western world has banned Americans from visiting. That's how badly he fucked this up.

FACTS: Detroit and NY, which didn't have the advantage of warnings and preparation, have largely weathered the storm. And, if you actually look at the facts, the worst per-capita areas right now, by far, are Texas, Florida, Mississippi, Georgia, and Alabama -- all Republican states led by rubes and toadies who ignored science and masks until it was too late. Only now, as their citizens die like flies, are they saying wear masks. Wake the fuck up, dumbshit.

 

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MichiganStan

July 11th, 2020 at 8:03 PM ^

Detroit didnt have warnings? When Trump placed a travel ban on China (Which Democrats claimed was racist), Detroits airport was only 1/11 airports in the US to continue taking flights from China.

1/3 of the covid deaths in Michigan are from Nursing Homes. Thousands died in nursing homes in NY as well. The similarity? Democrat governors who ordered nursing homes to take back covid+ elderly

Again, the hardest hit areas in the US are almost entirely Democrat strongholds. Detroit, NY, Chicago, Seattle, Philly, etc. The numbers are on my side. Get mad, Democrats claim Republicans arent taking it seriously yet the deaths are happening mostly in Democrat cities

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mooseman

July 11th, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^

He banned only Chinese nationals. This didn't keep people from flying home from China. It exempted US citizens and green card holders. The virus didn't seem to care what their status was. 

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ijohnb

July 11th, 2020 at 8:43 PM ^

Don’t forget an in-person primary when community spread was already obvious.  

What governer was working with the Biden campaign at that time?  Oh that’s right.

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blue in dc

July 11th, 2020 at 9:18 PM ^

Michigan didn’t have it’s first confirmed case until the day of the primary.  Who is the one holding indoor rallies now where his staff explicitly violate social distancing requirements by removing stickers designed to ensure people don’t sit together 3.5 months after the Michigan primary.

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mooseman

July 11th, 2020 at 7:59 PM ^

There has been no evidence that protests contributed to this surge. Common sense would indicate that the areas of protest don't correspond to the areas of resurgence. The outside nature of the protests and a fairly high compliance with mask use probably is the reason. There are papers on it.

https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408

 

Areas hit initially tended to correspond with areas that had travel hubs with Europe and China. These happen to be predominately blue.

Despite seeing this devastation and having the opportunity to better prepare, the areas currently seeing the resurgence are predominately red.

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MichiganStan

July 11th, 2020 at 8:09 PM ^

"There has been no evidence protests contributed to this surge"

Right because Liberal news media is going to investigate and pin the resurgence on mass protests that they encouraged to happen

"the areas currently seeing resurgence are predominantly red"

What Republican cities are those? Houston is Red? Atlanta is red? lol 

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remdog

July 11th, 2020 at 8:44 PM ^

I am an emergency physician. Don't believe the biased media and biased studies. The massive crowds of protesters spread Covid and may have been a main cause of the spike.  There were large crowds in many areas hard hit now - Houston, LA, etc.  Other places had crowds with mainly people from out of town who left and spread Covid elsewhere.

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remdog

July 11th, 2020 at 9:17 PM ^

They were a major factor.  We will never know if they were the main cause but they might have been.  There were no other activities that were nearly as high risk with massive crowds. But you seem convinced otherwise no matter how implausible.  But personally, I would avoid large crowds if you don't want to catch Covid. Just my common sense medical recommendation.

By the way, certain areas not seeing the spike were already extremely hard hit and likely have some degree of herd immunity. Other places aren't so lucky. 

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blue in dc

July 11th, 2020 at 9:21 PM ^

Multiple places have done testing that showed lower rates of covid amongst protestors than others in the same area.    Certainly it may have been a factor, but there seems to be plenty of evidence showing that bars and other indoor activities  have in fact been a bigger factor.

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remdog

July 11th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^

This is limited data which doesn't tell you anything. It only takes a small percentage in a massive crowd to spread the infection which then spreads exponentially. It's like lighting a match in a dry wooded or grassy area.

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blue in dc

July 11th, 2020 at 9:46 PM ^

If it is so obvious why don’t you point me to one piece of evidence.   In multiple places, both contact tracing and testing does not support your hypothesis.

Idaho

https://www.eater.com/2020/6/24/21301793/idaho-protests-vigils-did-not-contribute-to-coronavirus-spike-but-bars-did

There was no spike of COVID-19 cases associated with a June 2 vigil of 5,000 people, who gathered in front of the Idaho Capitol in honor of black Americans killed by police or vigilante violence, the Idaho Press reported last week. The vigil took place outside, the majority of attendees wore face masks, and few people spoke outside of preselected speakers. All of these factors can contribute to lower transmission of viral droplets. Protests in which people shout may pose higher risk of transmission, but attendees of those demonstrations also tend to wear masks. Contrast that with the conditions at crowded bars: speaking and drinking in close quarters, fewer masks, and inhibitions lowered by alcohol can all create a more effective path for virus transmission. In Ada County, a cluster of 69 coronavirus cases was linked to people who visited bars mostly located in downtown Boise, according to the Idaho Press.

 

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mooseman

July 11th, 2020 at 9:28 PM ^

Wow.

And you are a physician? You like to throw that out there. An emergency room physician.

I suggest you follow the MO of your fellow ER docs and request a consult from someone who knows what the hell they are talking about.

 

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MichiganStan

July 11th, 2020 at 9:19 PM ^

Dude there is literally no way to factually prove or disprove that the protests caused this second wave unless you did mass contact tracing (too late now) because protestors were city hopping from protest to protest. But common sense tells you the mass protests are the primary reason it happened

Covid was dying down, mass protesting happened, second wave happens. 

Many wore masks, many didnt. A loose cloth mask or bandanna like many were wearing is completely useless if youre spending day after day chanting together in crowds. Its also impossible to know if those people wore their masks 24/7 while protesting because media typically only showed footage of the frontlines of the protests

And wearing a mask is irrelevent if even 10/1000 people in those crowds had covid, didnt wear a mask, and ran around chanting in peoples faces. 

Bottom line, Democrats mass protesting during a pandemic is infintely dumber than Joe Blow Trump supporter shopping at Walmart without a mask on so I dont want to fucking hear about how Trump supporters are responsible for the 2nd wave when the 2nd waves are hitting Democrat areas the hardest

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remdog

July 11th, 2020 at 9:24 PM ^

Well said!

I am an emergency physician and the lack of common sense regarding the likely impact of massive protest crowds is astonishing to me. Political bias can be blinding.

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blue in dc

July 11th, 2020 at 9:34 PM ^

Data from Wisconsin:

Here’s a recap of the data from June:

622 people tested positive for COVID-19 in Dane County between June 1 through June 24. For the question "In the 14 days before symptom onset, did you attend a gathering, party, or meeting with people from outside your household":

  • 288 answered "No."
  • 213 answered "Yes", and of those, 12 said they had attended a protest.
  • 6 answered "Unknown."

From June 13 through June 26, 614 people tested positive for COVID-19 in Dane County. Here’s what we know about these cases:

  • 45% of cases interviewed reported attending a gathering or party with people outside of their household.
  • 28% of cases (a total of 172) were associated with a cluster: 132 from bars, 14 from workplaces, 11 from congregate facilities, 3 from daycares/preschools, and 12 from other clusters.

https://www.publichealthmdc.com/about/contact-us


From California:

“We investigate every reported COVID-19 case and try to elicit where they may have been exposed,” Moss said. “This includes a specific question related to mass gatherings, including protests.”

Attending protests, Moss said, is “not emerging as a risk for the most recent cases that we're seeing in the county.”

https://www.kqed.org/science/1966378/no-coronavirus-spike-from-black-lives-matter-protests-experts-say

Massachusetts may have seen a small impact:

Baker said Tuesday that 17,617 tests were administered across the 50 pop-up sites the state set up to swab folks who took part in demonstrations following the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody. Of those, 2.5% — roughly 400 or so — came back positive for the virus.

The governor called that “reasonably consistent” with the state’s seven-day average positive test rate of 1.9% as of Monday.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/06/23/low-number-of-massachusetts-black-lives-matter-protesters-test-positive-for-coronavirus/

 

 

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4th phase

July 11th, 2020 at 11:17 PM ^

Acting like the protests are the only reason cases are increasing and then not even having anything to back up that assertion is incredibly stupid.
Are protests the only public gatherings that have taken place in the last 3 months? Or have we also had 2 summer holiday weekends  and the opening of bars in a lot of states? You don’t just get to pick one thing you don’t like and blame that to fit your agenda.

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Special Agent Utah

July 11th, 2020 at 8:10 PM ^

Yeah those democratic strongholds of Texas and Florida. 
 

You really should call it a night. You’ve hit your quota of intensely stupid comments. 

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bronxblue

July 11th, 2020 at 8:11 PM ^

There's little evidence that the 2nd wave (and let's be honest, in some places just a continuous surge of a first wave) was caused by protests.  If anything, it appears that young people being engaged in a hastily re-opened economy in certain states was a bigger culprit.  Cities like Minneapolis and NY didn't report upticks in cases during the protests, though there was a super-spreader case due to an open bar in the suburban Minneapolis area.

As for "it's Democrat strongholds that are the hardest hit", that was perhaps true a bit early on, in the sense that big cities with large populations had major outbreaks and big cities tend to be Democratic, but the biggest surges are happening in Florida, Arizona, Georgia, and Texas (and California, though it's still well below the rates of other states) .  Now, those states may be becoming more "Democratic", but that's a political development because of the piss-poor handling of COVID-19 (and really the entire tenure) of Trump causing even previously-solid GOP voters to say "good lord, we're fine with a certain level of corruption and stupidity in order to get what we want, but THIS guy is the worst".  

By this point it's pretty clear COVID-19 doesn't give a shit about anyone's politics; if you wear a mask, limit your social contact, and follow other proper safety protocols you greatly reduce your risk, but likely can't ever fully insulate yourself.  Now, if one particular political persuasion spent months telling people the disease wasn't that serious and its chief political figure repeatedly refused to endorse even the most basic of protective measures, then pointing out how that has likely exacerbated the problem in certain areas wouldn't be particular partisan; it'd just be calling balls and strikes.  And because this country has handled this pandemic as poorly as it has, that might be the only balls and strikes anyone will be calling this year.

 

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remdog

July 11th, 2020 at 8:34 PM ^

As an emergency physician, I would say that your conclusion that massive crowds of protesters (100,000 or more in places) in close contact, many not wearing masks, all over the country were not a main cause of the spike in cases is total nonsense. They were outside but everything else made these likely super spreader events.  The timeline fits perfectly, even better than the reopenings. Don't believe the media bias and limited biased studies trying to suggest otherwise.

Moreover, these massive crowds and lack of concern by hypocritical leaders likely encouraged others to be less cautious.

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