Average OSU starter recruit ratings
Cleveland.com published an article (link below) a few days ago comparing OSU and Wisconsin starters by recruiting rankings in an effort to show how their talent matches up.
Here are OSU's average ratings per starting player on offense and defense.
Offense: 0.9361 with 9 starters being a 4-star or higher.
Defense: 0.9305 with 8 starters being 4-star or higher.
Curious how Michigan stacks up.
Regardless of who the coach is it's going to be tough to compete with a team that is recruiting at a top-5 clip if UM isn't. Recruiting rankings aren't everything, but they do matter, and it is becoming increasingly apparent you need that talent if you want to compete at a championship level in college football.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:21 PM ^
The whole offense outside of Runyan and Eubanks/McKeon were 4 stars or better (not counting Bell who rotates). DPJ and Patterson were 5 stars. Charbonnet was almost a 5 star and Ruiz was the top Center in his class.
So offensively it's not recruiting.
Defensively off the top of my head Dax was a 5, Hill and Thomas were 4s, McGrone was almost a 5, Hutchinson was a 4 and they have another 5 in Hinton when he's older. Payed, Metellus, and Uche are the lower ranked guys.
OSU, Alabama, UGA, and Clemson recruit on a different level then the rest of the country, Clemson more recently. Getting 4 Dax Hills would be nice, but they aren't losing games because Eubanks isn't a 5 star.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:36 PM ^
I would agree the offense isn't suffering because of a lack of talent, and that isn't necessarily what I was getting at. Either way, depth matters (especially along the line.) OSU seems to have a clear edge when it comes to depth.
Also just found these two articles (below) that further highlight the discrepancy.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:54 PM ^
Stars, sure, but consider the quality of the star...and this is just the 2017 class. I didn't have time to investigate the others.
Young - .995
Okudah - .995
Browning - .994
Wade - .990
W. Davis - .987
Dobbins - .979
J. Myers - .975
October 26th, 2019 at 5:15 PM ^
Charbonnet is a decent RB, but Dobbins was a more explosive difference-maker as a freshman than Charbonnet will ever be.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^
Michigan doesn’t have enough game changers to make a difference, and to make the other players around them better.
October 30th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
and that is what it comes down to, we get talent, but there is a marked difference in their talent and ours, and when you have them dogs out there then you can take over games, and they have them at every level of offense and defense, and multiple at some positions, its a big difference when your wrs run a 4.3-4.2 and you can isolate them and throw a bomb up to them, because not too many schools have the athletes to stay with them, or you can role the bosa brothers/young out their for 6 seasons and tell them yeah whip the dude infront of you and go get the QB
October 26th, 2019 at 4:30 PM ^
Players don't go to Ohio State to play no school. Football and school work vs football and no school work.....what ya gonna choose? SURPRISE!! FOOTBALL and NO school.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
Why so cynical? Justin Fields's "tutor" started taking his online classes for him just last week!
October 26th, 2019 at 6:27 PM ^
October 26th, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
Why so cynical? Justin Fields's "tutor" started taking his online classes for him just last week!
Fields got offered by Northwestern
October 26th, 2019 at 6:27 PM ^
October 26th, 2019 at 4:39 PM ^
Why so cynical? Justin Fields's "tutor" started taking his online classes for him just last week!
Fields got offered by Northwestern
October 26th, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^
October 26th, 2019 at 5:13 PM ^
You mean just have the school pay them directly rather than boosters like Marty Singer?
October 26th, 2019 at 6:06 PM ^
ESPN/ABC pays $470 million for the rights to cover the college football playoff. $470 million for 3 games. $156,666,667 per game.
And the players get none of that. Good for Ohio State if they're paying the players. Michigan should start doing it too.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^
If I remember correctly we landed the #1 player in the entire country in 2015 did we not? And while solid he was never a gamechanger. Do you blame that on player development or recruiting miss? Sure seems to me like we have a lot of guys lately that don't play to their ranking while OSU's do.
October 30th, 2019 at 4:13 PM ^
he wanted to play outside, instead of inside where he could have been a true game changer like hurst, but also keep in mind he commanded a lot of double, and in the case of one game a triple team, at some point our other defenders had to step up and make plays (especially the indiana and osu game) where they doubled him and chase and our DT's could not make a push to save their lives
October 26th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^
Our average recruit is probably around .88 or. 89. Not awful, but as mentioned before we lack a lot of play makers.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:48 PM ^
How many national championships has Oklahoma won the last 25 years despite having loads of talent and play makers (on offense at least)? The same number as Michigan: One.
October 26th, 2019 at 5:09 PM ^
How many conf titles and playoff games?
they've beat OSU in OSU once. That’s probably the same as us...
Most UM fans (let alone general public) would take last 25yrs of OU vs UM
October 26th, 2019 at 5:19 PM ^
Since 1998:
Alabama 5
Florida, FSU (Jamis Winston, Michael Vick), LSU (Nick Saban) , Clemson (DeShaun Watson), and OSU-
2 each
Auburn (Cam Newton), Texas (Vince Young), Miami (possibly the most talented team ever) Okla, Tenn, and USC 1 each.
It's hard to win a national title-you either need a top QB OR Nick Saban
October 26th, 2019 at 5:21 PM ^
2001 Miami-38 drafts picks with 17 1st round!
October 30th, 2019 at 4:15 PM ^
great point, but Vick was at VaTech, you mean weinke
October 26th, 2019 at 5:55 PM ^
I'm pretty sure they have something stupid like 12 conference titles in that span. 3 NC appearances, 2 playoff appearances.
October 26th, 2019 at 5:16 PM ^
Oklahoma has won an average of 9.48 games a season since 1994 (not including this year), and that includes 94-98, before Stoops, when they won 6, 5, 3, 4 and 5 games under 3 different coaches. Since 1999, they've averaged 10.7 wins per season.
Michigan since 1994 has won an average of 8.56, or 8.35 since 1999. This works out to almost a full win better than Michigan per season since 1994, and more than 2 full wins per year since 1999. So yeah, win wise I'll take the last 20-25 years of Oklahoma football over the last 20-25 years of Michigan football, even though they've had the same number of championships.
October 26th, 2019 at 8:16 PM ^
The Big Ten has been a significantly better conference than the B12 since then. With the exception of a couple good years Texas had with Vince Young, that conference has been pretty much poop.
October 26th, 2019 at 4:51 PM ^
I'll be more worried about how we stack up against OSU when we can beat the teams we are supposed to beat that are of lesser talent..
October 26th, 2019 at 4:53 PM ^
Why does this need to be posted? Michigan recruiting is dogshit compared to aPOSu ever since they couldn’t get Ohio kids. And when players can’t even get up for rivalry games who cares?
October 26th, 2019 at 4:57 PM ^
This thread...
They look good. Very good. Can we just wait until the week of the game before we have multiple posts on OSU.
October 26th, 2019 at 5:19 PM ^
They look like the best and most complete team in the country right now. Before today, my only knock on them was that for all their stats, they hadn’t played anyone. Well, they just played someone, and bitch slapped the hell out of them.
Disgusts me to say it, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see them win it all this year. Every other team in America has some noticeable weakness. LSU and Alabama’s defense’s are down this year (by their standards), Clemson looks like it’s still trying to get out of a slump, Oklahoma has a mediocre defense, and Georgia all of a sudden looks pretty vanilla.
October 26th, 2019 at 5:43 PM ^
Ridiculous. They have a new coach, a new quarterback, and lost a top 5 pick off their DLine. There have to be “transition costs”, right??? So many brilliant people here have told us that there are ALWAYS transition costs.
October 26th, 2019 at 6:00 PM ^
Recruiting 2016,17,18,19
Top 100 top 50 5*
OSU- 36 20 12
ttun- 15 12 5
Its all about the Jimmy&Joe’s
October 26th, 2019 at 5:38 PM ^
Can somebody get a dick
October 26th, 2019 at 5:41 PM ^
Nah...stars don’t matter. We’ve been told that by some of the smartest 15 year olds on the blog, so it must be true! And MIKE FUCKING HART was a 3 star, so anyone who says stars matter is a MORON!!
October 26th, 2019 at 6:19 PM ^
FWIW and I have no idea if this is the right way to calculate it, but if you take the raw numbers by position (Shea, Zach, DPJ, Nico, Tarik, McKeon, the 5 OL / Kwity, Hutch, Dwumfour, Kemp, McGrone, the secondary + Khaleke):
Offense - average 247 rating of .941 (higher than OSU) w/ 9 players above a 4-star (Shea and DPJ were 5*)
Defense - .902 with only 5 players a 4-star or above
So, we technically have better recruits on offense and way worse recruits on defense. And that's with me not including Glasgow in the defense since he was a walk-on. If you include Uche instead of Dwumfour, it's close to the same.
QB-.9982**
RB-.9760*
WR-.9925**
WR-.9454*
WR-.9378*
TE-.8493
LT-.8402
LG-.9799*
C-.9786*
RG-.9571*
RT-.9062*
.941 (2 5-stars, 7 4-stars)
ANCHOR-.8696
NT-.8954*
DT-.8453
WDE-.9498*
ILB-.9481*
ILB-Walk-On
VIPER-.8819
CB-.9409*
CB-.9583*
S-.8540
S-.8783
.902 (5 4-stars)
EDIT TO ADD: Just took a second look at the numbers. Makes sense why Hamler is running by Metellus and Hawkins. Kwity Paye and Khaleke outperformed their rankings.
The interior of the OL should be paving people. Shea Patterson should be one of the best QBs in the nation with his rating and the skill position players we have.
TL/DR: Don Brown is really good at his job. Pep/Gattis/Harbaugh - not so much (Harbaugh strictly as a play caller).
October 26th, 2019 at 11:40 PM ^
Thanks for putting the work! Let's hope UM puts in an unbearable game plan this season and the guys execute. Go blue!
October 26th, 2019 at 8:24 PM ^
Be careful posting things that are true on this board. It triggers each and every pussy and whiner Michigan fan from across the nation and they scream “cheaters” “bagmen” “troll” etc. Downvote everything- my feelings have been hurt. Alabama sucks, OSU sucks, Harbaugh sucks, Clemson sucks. No such thing as a respect for freedom of speech on this board. Be careful my friend.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
Wow. I guess since we can’t beat OSU at stars we should just stop playing the game.