This is simply not true. No one is forcing the staff to take guys like Tyrece Woods and Quintel Kent and Amauri Hickson. The staff waited forever to offer Lance Dixon and that cost them. They stopped recruiting top 247 WR's like David Bell and Milton Wright who Jeff Brohm happily scooped up to take commitments from the aforementioned Kent and George Johnson. In-state recruiting this year was abysmal as guys like Barnett, Dobbs, Brown and Dixon are all going elsewhere. If UM was beating OSU and making CFP's with this type of recruiting then I wouldn't say a word, but they aren't, and that's why you OSU debacles where 3 stars like Brandon Watson and Devin Gil get abused. Most of the 3 star guys UM is taking don't pan out. There are a couple outliers of course but those are few and far between. Bottom line unless Harbaugh starts recruiting like OSU, UGA, Bama, etc the cap on this program is 10 wins . It's not really debatable anymore.

Is calling me maizen supposed to be some type of burn or act as a means of discrediting my point, because frankly all you're doing is distracting from the conversation at hand and making an ass out of yourself in the process. 

No B1G titles in 15 years

Lost 16 of the last 18 to OSU

Just lost the crown jewel of our recruiting class

But sure, keep up the passive agressive digs that aren't even true in hopes of making yourself feel better about the state of Michigan football.

It’s never about 1 recruit but about trends. The problem isn’t having a 3 star recruit. It’s that over the last two classes 50% of our recruits have been 3 stars. That makes it our recruiting level, not good staff evaluation. The things people always leave out when they say trust the staff is that the guys we are getting aren’t the first choice of the staff either, they are the backup plans when we get beat for elite recruits by elite schools

62, that is all.  If we had lost 24 - 28 or 31 - 35, that would be one thing.  But to get jail-sexed by THEEEE ohio as they seemed to score at will, is beyond disappointing.  I hope Don Brown thinks about this score every morning so that we can win the game next year.

Exactly, Hill has 62 good reasons to go 'bama.

Wrong. Saban was 7-6 in his first year of 2007. Between 2000-2006, Alabama had records of 3-8, 4-9, 6-6, and 6-7. There was even a 7-5 sprinkled in there during that span. Since that 2007 season of 7-6, the most losses Alabama has had has been 3 in 2010. So to say quit whining about bagmen is ridiculous. How else do they go from 7-8-9 loss seasons, to being a football machine? It is quite obvious what started happening around that program in 2007-08.

Wrong Mr. King.  Alabama's locker room with waterfalls is like a five star luxury hotel, so no, I don't think that the dozens of schools you reference have the same amount of resources.

When I read tweets from player flips to Alabama or Clemson, it always says something like "respect my decision as what is best for me and my family" ... I mean that is code to the other recruits.  "Respect" and "my family" have nothing to do with football or college, it is about the money to the recruit's parents. Yes, Alabama also is a football factory but not sure all the players love it there.  The tweets and interviews don't show a lot of genuine "I love my decision" ... it always seems to have a tone of "respect my decision".  Like it is just a business decision versus choosing a college for normal collegiate reasons.  

If that is how the most elite players make their college choice, we will never have a rooster filed with elite players like Alabama, Clemson, etc.  And the CFP with only 4 teams only reinforces that standing as only the elite teams who recruit like Bama will make the playoffs.  College football is going to implode with this structure.  Expanding the playoffs will allow the second tier teams to better attract recruits and have a shot at an upset to change this narrative.  Not many schools are going to pay their way into the competition. Call it ethics, call it whatever but not all schools will support its boosters illegally paying a player's family for the rights to their son.

Dak & Dad = A variation of the Da'Shawn Hand thinks Bama has a better Engineering Dept. than Mich.

They liked all that stuff. For real. 

But Hill is the kind of player that should expect to go to the NFL. Football is job #1. 

It was for Rashan Gary. He cared about academics (remember in the Amazon doc, they spent a lot of time with him and his academic advisor? That wasn't fake). But he's going to the NFL. He stands to make MILLIONS of dollars. 

Bama can send him to the NFL and he can win, a lot. Right now it's hard for him to have confidence that Michigan is going to win a lot.

Do any of us genuinely believe that we'll even make the playoff in the next four years? Bama has never missed. 

That's a huge if.

There's you know who in the way.

That's like Auburn saying: "If we can just start winning the SEC West every other year, everything else will take care of itself."

Except they can't.

I wouldn't.

But I hope you are right.

You saw the passing game that Harbaugh wants this year.  Dink and dunk most of the time, with a strict limit on deep throws and using elite receivers to their capability.  Patterson is a solid QB, but that's all.  He's not a difference maker, he's not a big game player.  Nothing is going to happen to improve that.  We are still completely lacking in speed and home run threats on offense.  And our defense certainly isn't going to get any better.  

Harbaugh has peaked.  That's the unfortunate reality.