NC St goes down to Wake

BTW - Wake Forrest quarterback was a freshman making his first start.

So, the ACC is beating up in each other. Does that mean the conference sucks or does it mean there isn’t as large of a gap between the second and eight best teams?

I think that’s kind of how the B1G and SEC are. For the B1G, there is Michigan and ISU (assuming they beat state) and then the gap between #3 (PSU maybe?) and # 7-8 isn’t that great. 

This just shows how good and deep the ACC is at football.

/s

Wake forest is probably just better than we thought!

Now you will hear how great a win ND had against Wake

Frank Beamer am cry. 

Wake Forrest is good at football ???????

LOve it

I hope WF doesn’t take our spot in the top 4. Based on the committee’s ranking of ACC teams, I wouldn’t put that out of the realm of possibility 

Playing devil's advocate one of my buddies who lives in Florida basically gave me the below thoughts on the B10. I don't agree...but is that just because I'm a UM homer? Maybe? Probably.

osu: way overrated, got pounded by a bad team committee is propping them up even at 10 they have literally played nobody and look bad three weeks in a row. 

wisconsin: sucks

msu: sucks

northwestern: sucks

psu: sucks

Michigan: very good defense but they played one good team and lost (nd). All the other teams we thought were good suck.

Iowa: sucks

No good teams in the big ten. I don't agree I still think team for team that the big ten is at worst the 2nd best conference. 

Alright, I feel compelled to give some context on just how bad a loss this is for the supposed 14th ranked team.

I live in Winston-Salem. I live less than 10 minutes from Wake's campus. I've been to 2 Wake games this year and consider myself a quasi Wake fan. When I moved here 4+ years ago, I adopted them as my second team. I follow numerous Wake football beat writers and keep a peripheral view on their recruiting. That said, I feel particularly qualified to give some context here.

To preface this, I'll say that NC State/Wake is a rivalry game so rivalry game quirks apply.

Wake has sustained MSU levels of injuries this year without the luxury of having MSU talent. They're operating on a talent level more like that of Indiana and even that might be a small stretch. They've had 10 players sustain season ending injuries. All but 1 of Wake's scholarship linebackers have been lost for the year due to injury. To compensate, they were taking walk-ons and guys who've never played LB before and playing them. The last 3 games they've been playing an undersized safety at both LB and safety. This is a big reason why Clemson gashed them for 63 points. In the secondary, Wake had to move a backup WR to safety at the beginning of the year. He's been abysmal. Wake is ranked 93rd in total defense on S&P+ with their run defense coming in at 94th and their pass defense at 91st. Long story short, their bad.

Offensively, Wake lost their SR starting LT for the season in game 1. They were without their #2 & #3 WRs for the better part of the year (they both played sparingly last night). At QB they've been starting a True Freshman who's played very well all things considered, but he went out for the year last weekend against Syracuse. They turned their backup QB into a WR when they gave the Freshman the starting job and to compensate for injuries, so last night they won with a guy who at the beginning of the year was their #3 QB, Jamie Newman.

Long story short, Wake Forest is not just a mediocre team, they're a mediocre team without enough scholarship bodies to field all 22 starting positions. For the #14 ranked team in the CFP to lose to them, AT HOME no less, is just embarrassingly bad. This is exactly why Klatt has been railing against these ACC rankings for 2 weeks now. The ACC is bad and these rankings are fraudulent.

Wow, NCSU was up 10 in the 4th when I turned it off.

No big deal really, Wake Forest to #24 in the CFP rankings.

Poetic justice would be ND losing to a crap Syracuse team and Michigan jumping them into the playoffs.  ND would have no one to blame but themselves for not joining a conference.  Had they, the opportunity to knock Clemson off and out would come in the ACC Champ, instead Clemson will play a really feisty Duke team or something....

They had to pump up the ACC because Clemson wasn't playing too great. If you manufacture a few top 15 wins for Clemson, you can justify them being undefeated at 2 and Notre Dame undefeated at 4 (in the first week). I just hope the B1G stomps teams this bowl season.

I live down in the SE, the entire East Coast from NY to FLA to Tennessee to Louisiana think SEC and ACC are the top conferences.

They believe any mid-level team SEC/ACC can beat the top Big 10, Big 12, Pac 12 teams any given neutral field.

The SEC and ACC have won 15/20 BCS championships. The blowouts of Big 10/Big 12/Pac 12 in semifinals the last few years has added to this perception.

Until the Big 10 can win National Championships every other year, this perception will not change.

Furthermore, all of the national press and sports network people and most of the bowl games and their committees are on the East coast and are mostly all ACC and SEC alumni top to bottom of the organizations - and that is why you get such bias.

Wake is under .500 because the ACC is so strong.  Or something like that.

I turned away from this game because I thought it was over.