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03/11/2019 - 7:50am The story doesn't seem all…

The story doesn't seem all that extreme but I know what you mean. People always bring up getting abused at PSU but that was one of the places I traveled to the most for the away games and I always told people they are the nicest fans anywhere. Some of it has just got to be dumb luck running into a rogue asshole fan. 

03/11/2019 - 7:47am Yeah...let me preface this…

Yeah...let me preface this with I don't drink much, I'm not loud or obnoxious, and the thought of fighting sounds miserable,  however, I learned I'm not suited for away games in my 20's (I'm 36 now) after attending a football game @ msu.

I can't bite my tongue with that stuff and I would have returned fire by saying probably the harshest, most despicable thing I could think of and then it escalates from there. Nobody wants that. 

I applaud you for going to an away game. Never been there for bball but traveling to msu permanently ended me attending away games the last decade. 

03/08/2019 - 7:58am Any of you guys watch the…

Any of you guys watch the channels/vids on youtube that dissect crashes and such? X pilot is one where they put together simulation and dissect crashes. I'm not even into flying (other than doing it weekly for work) but it's crazy and scary and for some reason I'm hooked on watching them. 

03/08/2019 - 7:48am It's funny man I fly for…

It's funny man I fly for work almost weekly and still go in bouts of getting freaked out by flying. I know the odds of a crash are small, and it's not so much I'm afraid of dying it's more that the feeling you'd have if your plane was going down has to be the scariest feeling imaginable....even if it doesn't last long. That is the part that freaks me out. 

02/22/2019 - 7:57am i legit just spit hot coffee…

i legit just spit hot coffee out of my nose

02/22/2019 - 7:54am They've really fixed that…

They've really fixed that place up since I left 15 years ago! Some buildings were crumbling when I was there lol. 

02/22/2019 - 7:53am Yeah I hear you. From a grad…

Yeah I hear you. From a grad perspective who is a big BG football fan secondary, of course, to UM it feels a little "blah". Cool in a sense but if I didn't love UM honestly I wouldn't be all that excited. 

02/22/2019 - 7:51am It should be interesting. I…

It should be interesting. I loved BG and had a great time pursuing my undergraduate studies that that fine institution. I hope the falc shit up and win some games and all that jazz. 

Kidding aside this really should be interesting. BG, like most MAC schools, gets a good coach and some key recruits and lights it up 2-4 years then dies...and the death is usually a hard one lol. 

I was there during undergrad and working as an ATC with football when Meyer was there (I left dec 2004). Couldn't stand meyer but hell of an experience. 

I'll probably head up to a game or two this year hope they do well. 

02/21/2019 - 7:45am ah I dig it man nice…

ah I dig it man nice recommendation thank you never heard of them!

02/11/2019 - 7:48am Let me play devils advocate…

Let me play devils advocate here...

Ostarine would be a TERRIBLE choice to give your players for a multitude of reasons. First and foremost detection times are all over the place and it would be incredibly unpredictable. You'd be purposely making it substantially easier for you to get caught. 

Secondly, the results are "ok". It works, yes, but as an avid fan of PED's I wouldn't waste a dollar on ostarine. 

If you wanted a clemson sponsored PED program or even a "one eye open one eye closed" program you'd absolutely advise guys to take more effective and predictable drugs. You'd almost be able to argue they wanted to purposely get caught if they gave their team Ostarine. There is just no reason to do it and for the risk the ROI is not worth it.

Furthermore, since ostarine does work, and most trendy supplements don't there has been an issue of spiking products with various SARMS like ostarine. 

Guys take steroids. My educated guess is they saw these sarms advertised and thought they are steroid like but you won't get popped for them. That is the most likely thing that occured. Guys start talking and telling others "dude this is like steroids but you can't get popped it's a SARM!"

02/07/2019 - 8:23am haha too funny! It was…

haha too funny! It was actually a pontiac grand prix. I remember them saying "and every three years you get a brand new grand prix" lol. 

02/06/2019 - 11:23am :)

lol understood. I was…


lol understood. I was just at an event and it was the first time someone laid it out in a way of a warning to young professionals to watch out for this themselves. As a people manager, I usually received the message as far as me not promoting anyone to their level of incompetence but not so much as a warning to the actual person being promoted to be careful. 

I find the topic interesting, especially psychologically, can most humans do that self assessment of their abilities?

When I was 24 I was making 32K and turned down a job making over 50K with a car. I'm now with the same company going on year 15 and turning down that job was one of the best decisions I've ever made. I would have made the wrong decision without two really smart, strong mentors. 

02/06/2019 - 11:04am Isn't the saying something…

Isn't the saying something like "be careful with your career if you are a rising star you may just get promoted to your level of incompetence." or something like that. 

Exactly what happened to Hoke. He did well and got promotions, quickly. He rose to his level of incompetence. 

You really see it in business all the time. A shining start kicking ass and taking names but then takes a promotion they are not ready for and fails. It's not that they are not good they may just not have the talent at that time for the huge promotion or it's just the wrong fit. 

02/06/2019 - 8:01am nice post good perspective…

nice post good perspective. didn't really think of like that with kelly but you are right. 

02/05/2019 - 7:48am So funny you brought this up…

So funny you brought this up. I'm like you where there just isn't time and I haven't played a video game in about years. I bought my PS4 for Fallout 4 and played that non-stop ~4 years ago. A buddy of mine told me I'd feel the same way with RDR2 and I need to play it. 

I'd say I've always had a "beyond love", obsession with the Fallout games. I remember tearing up at the end of one of them lol. To give you an idea I straight up bought a PS4 and took off a week from work to play fallout 4 when it came out. In the first week I played maybe 60 hours and probably well over 200 total hours. 

I loved fallout new vegas that shit was life changing. I have an obsession with that end of the world "stuff" though. Movies, video games, anything with that theme I've always loved. 

02/05/2019 - 7:40am As a BG grad and close…

As a BG grad and close follower of the MAC I can tell you this dude is the real deal. Not sure if it translates into a star in the BIG but I have no doubt he can ball with the big boys and would be a really nice addition for depth at a minimum. 

01/29/2019 - 8:03am I love this topic. A few…

I love this topic. A few items...It is harder to get caught now with NCAA offseason testing but it is still random, sparse and easy to work around. I worked as an athletic trainer at a D1 school and this is exactly what happens; the ATC's get a fax/email the day before with a list of athletes. Those athletes report around 6am or 7am the next day. It's totally random. At that point if you are on and called in you will be caught. However, there is a good chance you won't be on the list and you play your odds of when you are likely to get tested to not be on. 15 years ago you could 100% avoid being caught.'s probably more like 85% if you are smart.

Each school also does self testing but it is only for recreational drugs, not PED's. 

At these schools less people use than some think and more than others think. When I was introduced to it, it was mostly the lineman. Many used. Most of the skill positions never really thought about it. 

They also didn't use all year. The ones that got caught are the ones who would be on long acting drugs or take something like deca which you can ring a positive test for months and months later. I only saw one guy caught and he was just "on" all the time with no regard to getting caught. 

The best way to do it is short bursts of 4-6 weeks maybe 2-3 times a year. These are elite athletes and with training and food that is all you need. You take a 20 year old lineman and throw him on 750-1000mgs of test prop and some sort of oral drug and that is all you need. You will throw on a lot of muscle (and probably fat if you are eating like many of these lineman) and then you're done. 

Mid June to Mid July is all some guys I knew would do...a YEAR...that's it. Some would go as high as 2g of test a week and 100mgs of dianabol/day (that is a huge cycle) and throw on 30 pounds. Granted, only about 6 pounds of that was probably muscle. 

You can also get fairly legit HGH now from China for $130 for 100iu's. So some that are paranoid will just do a bunch of HGH. You aren't going to gain a bunch of muscle that way but you also won't test positive. For actual muscle and performance gains it's a misguided strategy, and quite expensive. 

I've never seen or heard of a systemic issue from the top. That is the interesting part here. If that is the case and they find someone high up is orchestrating a PED program we are breaking new ground at a large program. It's not as sophisticated as some of you think. These dudes are buying $20 bottles of test online and going to internet message boards for advice. 

01/25/2019 - 7:15am Agree with you sir. I guess…

Agree with you sir. I guess at least 85% of the book is good at this point the authors just can't quite nail the ending...

01/24/2019 - 2:06pm This...if you are looking at…

This...if you are looking at it for "real" football insight and as a predictor of the season it's worthless. However, as a fun, cheap, family event (if the weather is nice as a huge caveat) it's a really fun thing to attend. 

01/23/2019 - 7:54am This happens in obscure,…

This happens in obscure, niche strength/physique sports constantly. Bodybuilding, powerlifting, etc are the extreme example. 

1. You are pounding food to grow muscle like no tomorrow. I would routinely eat; 24 ounces whole milk, two donuts, and 2 breakfast sandwiches for breakfast. Roughly a 1,500-1,800 calorie breakfast on my way to 6,000 per day. Many of these lineman are eating like crazy and they keep eating that way after they retire. It's very hard to stop. 

2. You are extraordinarily active and pushing your body to its limits so at least you are putting those calories to use which comes to a drastic halt for most of these guys when they retire. 

3. The use of PED's further supports putting the calories to use building muscle. Take activity out of the equation and the ped's but keep eating and you turn into a fatass real quick


Think how hard it would be your whole life to push and push and push to gain weight and keep your weight up and's over. But you still have that ravenous appetite. 

01/14/2019 - 1:18pm As someone who grew up in NW…

As someone who grew up in NW Ohio and travels a lot I can unequivocally tell you Columbus shits on cinci and Cleveland. The suburbs are really nice, very good schools and overall we love the city. 

The bed bug shit is crazy though and when you work I’m the medical field and travel a lot you think about it all the time lol. 

01/08/2019 - 7:30am's almost more the…'s almost more the way it all went down. If he departed with a firm handshake and moved on that would even be one thing. However, the whole thing just felt awkward, strange, and a host of other words. Granted, in business people get over weird stuff all the time but feels a little too soon. Plus, his career has gotten weird since he left. 

01/07/2019 - 5:14pm Lets be honest it’s his age…

Lets be honest it’s his age that has us more like “wtf” than anything, right? If he was a kick ass 46 year old coach on the up and took this job we’d say “that sucks ball sacks” but we get it...promotion at arguably the #3 school behind Bama and Clemson right now. 

But homeboy is 70 and seemed really happy at UM. I don’t find myself overly upset. It’s more of a weird feeling. Like my ex girlfriend who I don’t have feelings for at all banged some dude I don’t like while I have a new, smoking hot fitness competiror (a non crazy one) girlfriend. I’m not mad, but have a weird feeling I can’t put my finger on. But I also won’t miss any sleep. It’s just...weird. 

01/02/2019 - 7:36am Good luck to him. I think…

Good luck to him. I think this is one of those ones that feels right for him (he will test out of this world at the combine) and overall not a detriment to Michigan based on the current roster. 

Thanks for playing the bowl game young man and giving the team your all. 


12/31/2018 - 8:45am Thanks yeah OSU is the one I…

Thanks yeah OSU is the one I was thinking they usually have a game a year where the D chokes big time and a couple others where they are semi-bad but they still win. I'd assume every team with a good defense and respected D-coordinator has a game or two where they just suck. Seems when it happens to they OSU's/bama/clemson's of the world they have an offense that can hit the gas pedal. That should be what UM is capable of next year but I'm not confident in that. 

12/31/2018 - 7:27am I'd be interested in stats…

I'd be interested in stats that show how often good D-Coordinators shit the bed. Meaning, even the best get the doors blown out at times (and at times their teams still win). I'd be curious to see for those considered high level how often their defenses just poop themselves. 

It feels like with harbaugh at UM there has been a lot of ups and downs to the extreme on the defensive side. But maybe that is normal acrossed CFB?

12/30/2018 - 2:21pm Yeah it’s the point I was…

Yeah it’s the point I was trying to make you are right on. How good a team is has nothing to do with who uses ped’s how how many do. 

The D1 school I was at had rampant use and the football team won 2 games. 

By the time I graduated they were much better and I’d bet far less players used just based on the culture of the program. 

No team is ascending due to peds. It’s more individual. Plenty of guys on UM use and I’d wager it’s in line with other programs. 

You are also dead on. It used to be so easy all these guys had a solid 8-12 weeks a year they could blast away. Little tougher, bit not much, tougher now. 

12/30/2018 - 2:11pm Well keep in mind when the…

Well keep in mind when the ncaa comes in all athletes are getting tested and it’s overall a small number of football players. 

I remember the S&C coach just going off on a third string scout team dude for getting popped. I remember thinking “your entire offense line is taking a gram of test a week right now”. 

It’s definitely harder now and you have to be more careful. 10+ years ago you could work it so your odds of getting caught were literally 0%. Now, even with good planning there is a chance you could get popped. 

12/29/2018 - 11:20pm There are plenty of players…

There are plenty of players on every team using peds. There are as many players on lowly bowling green using as there are Alabama. Some use a lot, some a little, some don’t even think it exists. The issue isn’t as big or as small as the extremes think. 

I was first introduced to steroids from a lineman in college. All the lineman on this division I Team were using or did use. 

Im an athletic trainer by trade and I’ve been on the side of it where you get a fax  from the ncaa to let the 40 student athletes they randomly selected to be there at 7am the next day. It really is random seriously one year not a single starter on the fb team was tested. Some guys will go their entire career and not get tested. It has gotten a bit tighter now as they do year round testing. 

Think a decade-ish ago they didn’t test all year. Some beautiful cycles could be done with no worries.

Even with your ideas (which I don’t actually disagree with) you could put together a protocol to make the likelihood very small you’d get caught with standard drugs. 

I have mixed feelings on the topic altogether. On one hand we should have some sort of base level even playing field. On the other hand these are adults who are basically trained meat bashing their heads together for our entertainment so spare me the “OMG their health” comments. 

That last comment is not directed at the OP or anyone specifically. 

It’s an interesting topic and game of cat and mouse. There are also plenty of resources available to athletes if they are willing to pay for sound plans to help avoid a positive test. 

12/25/2018 - 3:32pm I work on the side for a…

I work on the side for a company that had an ostarine product. This is stupOstarine does work but it leads me to believe the players didn’t realize it was on the banned list. A few reasons I think I that....

1. Defection times are spotty. For a fact many athletes take them and don’t turn a positive test. The half life is 24 hrs but there is a lot of uncertainty to how long ostarine can be detected. Stupid to take the risk when we have tons of drugs where you can plan precisely without getting caught. 

2. They are effective but when you add #1 into the equation why take the risk? 

I can tell you the company I do consulting for it’s fairly incospicuous that ostarine was in it. I could easily see if you were a 20 year old and don’t research not realizing it. 

Even if this was some vast conspiracy by Clemson to beef up their dudes they wouldn’t use ostarine. It wouldn’t make any sense and would be too unpredictable. 

Not all, or even most, ncaa athletes use drugs but a whole lot do. Not many get caught. Much of that has to do with how the ncaa tests although year round testing makes it slightly tougher. 

I assure you there are plenty of lineman taking deca and test enanthate off and in for four years and by sheer dumb luck never get caught. 


12/20/2018 - 12:17pm I thought he was really good…

I thought he was really good. As far as "stars don't matter" to add a little context he did and does understand overall when teams recruit, on average, higher stars they are the better teams. He was, though, pointing out we shouldn't be stabbing each other in the face and jumping off bridges if the coaches take a 3* and they say that 3* is a legit baller. In that instances "stars don't matter". 

He didn't say it in a haphazard way like "f*ck it let's just offer a bunch of 2* guys and coach em up good". 

What he meant was recruiting the best players matter and that is what UM is doing. 

12/19/2018 - 7:49am I see a boat load talent but…

I see a boat load talent but as I noted in my predictions thread I think we will see some inconsistency, but that should be expected. The first "big game" will be against UW which is nice because they are such a straight forward offense. 

I believe this will be a top 12ish defense with the potential to be really dynamic. 

It's all about the offense. This defense will be good enough to go 12-0 overall but it's time to see what Harbaugh can do with a ferrari on offense. If this isn't a highly dynamic and dangerous, top tier offense next year we should all be highly disappointed. 

12/18/2018 - 8:44am Being down in columbus, I…

Being down in columbus, I can tell you locally this was one instance where Urban leaving radically helped OSU (according to pretty much every osu media person here). There have been enough rumors on enough boards and even them stating it on local radio here that he loved the assistant coaches at osu but wasn't necessarily keen on urban it appears to be the case. They reported here that he absolutely loves Day. 

Who knows but I think the consensus here it columbus is that OSU mashing UM helped but Urban leaving sealed the deal. 

12/14/2018 - 7:58pm That was strange. 

That was strange. 

Glad he went blue!

12/14/2018 - 8:20am True...but our family has…

True...but our family has gone from 8 to 4 season tickets because of price increases. The rest of the fam who wants to go to the game just buys tickets on the secondary market. The family we tailgate with no longer has season tickets....they had 6 and now just buy on the secondary market. 

People will say "if UM is good you will pay out the ass on the secondary market". Few notes; 1) you can almost always find them for slightly over face value and 2) the "bad" games are still cheap. No matter how good UM is you should be able to find half the home games for UNDER face value. 

3 of next years 7 home games you will be able to be decent to good tickets for $15-$40. So even if you overpay for ND/OSU/MSU you will save on those other games. Even Iowa you will be able to find at or under face value. 

12/14/2018 - 8:15am Wonder if UM will ever…

Wonder if UM will ever consider cutting sports? At some point why not look at cutting things like field hockey, cross country, tennis, swimming and diving, golf, track and field, gymnastics etc. 

There are probably 30ish varsity sports at UM? You will have to cut mens sports as well to abide by Title IX. Hell eastern michigan cutting 4 sports is saving $2.5 million. 

Even if Michigan is not at that breaking point yet I'd have to assume this conversation has taken place, even preliminarily. I'd think any university would want to consider getting down to more of the 17-20 total varsity sport range. 

And yes...I have personal experience here. Went to BG to run track. Track was cut freshman year. So I know personally what this is like. 

12/13/2018 - 7:50am Nice analysis....could…

Nice analysis....could totally see it playing out that way. I think the team has a chance to go 10-2 or better but I can't shake the feeling UM plays like poo on the road which is why I picked the road games but honestly I could totally see your predictions. 

12/13/2018 - 7:46am They are not going to have a…

They are not going to have a lot of time to look ahead. While the schedule sets up better 3 of the last what 5 or 6 games are rivalry games. If anything you almost wonder if each week you do an "osu hour" to do mini preps, essentially. That does help strategically but it is more of a mental thing. 

Overall you focus on the next game. 

12/13/2018 - 7:42am This seems quite odd. I can…

This seems quite odd. I can see the reasons he looked elsewhere if people got to his head ie don brown could be leaving, harbaugh rumors, etc. It would be rational for him to think "hmmm I want to be clear on these items before pen goes to paper". Fair enough. 

But I don't get the tweet and instant commitment to bama, which it sounds like his parents, bama, and UM didn't know about. Why say anything? Why not talk it through with your parents?

I get it...18 year olds to 18 year old things but I give the kid more credit than that. There are pieces to this puzzle that are missing. 

12/12/2018 - 10:00am I will be highly…

I will be highly disappointed if UM doesn't have an elite offense next year. They should be hitting on all cylinders. WR, 0-line, qb, they have it all. RB isn't quite the guarantee we had this year but I believe it should be solid. 

Even if there are excuses for some offensive woes the past years next year there is none. 

12/12/2018 - 9:58am My general sentiments as…

My general sentiments as well. Wouldn't be shocked at all if the L's were to osu and psu. I just picked the road games because of our poopy road history the last years (forever, I mean). 

12/12/2018 - 9:56am Like the analysis I think…

Like the analysis I think that is fair. I glanced at 2019 prospective depth charts for ND/US/PSU and it's hard to know what to make of them yet or what the new guys will look like. It wouldn't surprise me if either of UW or PSU was 7-5 or as good as 10-2.

12/12/2018 - 9:53am That was my thought as well…

That was my thought as well sir. Even if the floor isn't lower we can't expect the consistency we've had the last two years. I hope we get it, but I doubt it. 

12/12/2018 - 9:51am I don't play and this is…

I don't play and this is just a message board. So..."we" aren't going to do anything except be fans...on a message board. 

12/12/2018 - 9:48am That's a fair take. It's…

That's a fair take. It's just so hard to win so many games in a row my gut just can't imagine them winning all of UW/PSU/ND/OSU. I guess the question is, will this UM team be good enough to win a game or two against a good team when they lay an egg?

They will have a game or two where they do and I'd bet one will be @PSU or @UW.

12/12/2018 - 9:39am I fully agree with you sir…

I fully agree with you sir. In fact I think it's way too f&%$#@* early. But I like re-posting this stuff next year so we can make fun of each other for how off we are. 

12/12/2018 - 9:37am I don't actually know either…

I don't actually know either, tbh.

12/12/2018 - 9:36am lmao


12/12/2018 - 8:09am Yes that is the rule I think…

Yes that is the rule I think. No predictions until it's 30 days pre-season, we've gone 12-0 at least one time, and win a conf championship. 

We should add in no predictions until UM wins a NC. 

I agree with below poster, hook em!

12/10/2018 - 8:17am My expectation is a team…

My expectation is a team with a pulse. Highly disappointed in the effort last year. This team can finish, potentially, in the top 5 with a win. It matters. Starting and finishing each year firmly in the top 10 will help recruiting finish firmly in the top 10 every year...even if the ultimate goals are not met you have to close the deal.