Indefensible
[Eric Upchurch]
Big mood today:
I thought Urban Meyer would skate away from the Zach Smith thing largely unscathed, and he has. But I'm still shocked this morning because OSU released a report that provides details of Smith's employment and Meyer's actions. First and foremost, Meyer's first action after the Brett McMurphy report that set this chain of events in motion was to delete all text messages older than a year off his phone. If your first reaction to a media report is to destroy evidence, that's a firing offense.
It goes on, pointlessly, detailing years of Smith's very very obvious issues and Meyer's continuing enablement of them before getting into OSU's response post-McMurphy and the lies Meyer told in an effort to make it all go away. It concludes with a burst of stunningly inane pretzel logic in the service of keeping Meyer in his job. Nicole Auberbach:
I now see why it took so long to go through *this* report and somehow figure out a way to justify a suspension, not a firing: https://t.co/ZNJMwcZCpn
— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) August 23, 2018
The 12-hour meeting was about inserting the pretzel logic. Meanwhile, this was the guy who Meyer kept in his program for a decade:
(b) At 7:35 p.m., Shelley Meyer conveyed, in a text to Coach Meyer, that “I am worried about Zach’s response. He drinks a lot and I am just not sure how stable he will be. Afraid he will do something dangerous. It’s obvious he has anger/rage issues already.” Meyer did not respond to the message.
In response to this, a slap on the wrist and a warning that if Meyer covers for the actions of a serial abuser for another decade there might be Serious Consequences.
And I dunno, guys. What's even the point anymore? Michigan's main rivals are both proven loathsome institutions. They beat Michigan on the football field, so no one cares. Meyer will face no real consequences for his behavior. Mark Dantonio has faced no consequences for bringing Auston Robertson to campus. Both have enabled abuse, in full view of the public, and nobody cares because they win games. Michigan State tried not to care about Larry Nassar and even when forced to by public outrage still gave Lou Anna Simon a golden parachute; they continue to lie to this day.
No real consequences for anyone for anything except losing football games. No shame. Michigan will go down to Columbus in November and very probably lose again and all will be forgiven, except all is already forgiven. Except there was never anything to forgive in the first place.
We need to stop looking at the NCAA as an organization that is supposed to check these behaviors and start looking at it as the primary cause of them. Every big time school looks at their bylaws as a joke to get around. Every major recruit is getting paid under the table. There is a giant see-no-evil culture across the sport. To some extent this is fine because the evil that people aren't seeing is people exchanging labor for money, but once you have a sport-wide code of silence it can easily be extended to wife beaters. Or rapists. Or anything, really.
And then how are you supposed to care?
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
The intellectual and moral anemia of the investigation is more obvious than what Meyer's fate should have been. We are to believe that Shelley Meyer told Courtney Smith that Zach Smith scared her but that Shelley simultaneously doubted the allegations enough to refrain from passing them on to Urban. The report also notes that Meyer's interest in deleting his old text messages would usually demonstrate consciousness of guilt but then promptly drops that thread. The report might as well have started with "Dear idiots, here are our findings..."
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:41 PM ^
I think if most schools had a Meyer level coach coming after Meyer level success, they are, for the most part, acting similarly to OSU
Sadly I think this is accurate. I would like to think I wouldn't feel the same way, but after losing to our rivals so much the last decade it might be hard to let go of beating them (which is exactly the situation OSU fans are in). What is it about the human condition that causes fandom to mess with our moral compass?
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^
This sure feels like the reason we want strong, moral people leading these institutions so that the desires of randoms who don't know or care about the facts aren't given unnecessary weight. I don't care what random fans would do, I care that Presidents and ADs are capable and willing to stay above that. I have no problem believing other schools may have acted similarly and that is exactly the problem, not an excuse.
August 23rd, 2018 at 8:21 PM ^
BuckeyeNation had nothing to do with the outcome that the Board of Trustees produced. I had a grandma, a Mom, I have an ex-wife, a new wife, a daughter, and a step daughter, and I’m a LEO. I vehemently do not condone DV whatsoever. Even after this report and all the information I have read, which has been everything I have access to, I still don’t know what happened at the ZS/CS household. There is much grey area in all the police reports, no charges filed, were the pictures current, were the injuries from ZS, were they defensive wounds or him protecting himself from his ex? Even if in 2009 people talked her out of filing charges, I know here in Ohio as an LEO, if she denied wanting to file charges I could pick up the charges for the State of Ohio for her safety and liability issues for the State. If I see fresh marks on either individual I could arrest them both for DV. Since no law enforcement agency did this I have to truly wonder if there was anything DV at all. The Officers job is on the line and their career, and I’m not going to lose my job over anyone, even if they are some one important.
Sorry for rambling, but I know I am disappointed with all the ZS findings and how disturbing some of those incidents, strip clubs, Amazon orders, controlled substance intervention etc they are definitely not indicative of what we expect out of our coaches. I know that him being Earle’s grandson had a part in all the chances he was allotted, but after reading all the chances he was given I even have to wonder why this guy was not fired earlier then he was.
There are things that Urban did or didn’t do that I shake my head about, but the the phone wiping is bothersome to me and not mentioning what he knew in 2009 to AD Smith, unless he thought it would show up in the background check and then he would explain, but that is shady also. Another thing I found interesting is that the Powell PD brought the 2015 incident to Gene Smith who brought it to Meyer attention. Usually a chain of command works upwards not down. I feel that Gene Smith, and a lot of BuckeyeNation feels the same way, that he is responsible and should have been fired and that might have been why Urban answered the BM question at BigTen day the way he did. But that’s the issue, nobody knows what someone else was thinking or saying with any definitive proof throughout this whole ordeal.
If Urban covered up DV I would be the first and not the only BuckeyeNation fan to want him fired. Is the suspension to him warranted, I have no idea. It could have been to appease the mighty media and the PC police so The Ohio State brand wouldn’t be as tarnished had he not been suspended. Smith should of definitely been shown the door for this incident plus other issues we are having at the institution under his watch. This has taken a toll on my excitement about the up coming season and most of BuckeyeNation knows this is a bigger issues then W-L, but we have our turds as fans also who would sweep anything under the rug to win.
One more thing, I want you to put yourself in Urban shoes at the press conference, bc I did, and he was given a sheet of paper to read by the PR department stating things that he, as the person being reprimanded, truly didn’t believe in the suspension because he thought since Gene Smith was the individual given the information and he didn’t do his due diligence and you had done the right thing, why is my name and reputation being tarnished to appease others.
Not all of BuckeyeNation is proud of this whole situation and the outcome, but BuckeyeNation has to live with the outcome and move forward and hope that some good will come out this. Have a good season and see you at The Game. Go Bucks
August 24th, 2018 at 12:30 PM ^
What if we got rid of the term Buckeye Nation? Maybe that'd be a start. If that report from your own university didn't make it abundantly clear what went on there then you're being willfully ignorant. I hope you have a garbage season because it's exactly what your fanbase deserves.
August 24th, 2018 at 1:52 PM ^
I’ll take the high road. Go Bucks
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:37 PM ^
Urban Meyer, Gene Smith, Drake, and the BoT are all complicit in this now. They have shown the world that winning is the end all and be all.
They should be vilified in the public and by the NCAA, but it's not going to happen and it leaves a sick feeling in my stomach.
NCAA selection committee could stand up and announce that they won't be selecting OSU for a playoff spot even if they're the #1 team in the country until Urban is ousted. Delaney could come out and refuse to put OSU into the B1G championship game if they end winning the east. But it won't happen. Because the NCAA and Delaney are as spineless as Meyer was to disciplining Smith.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:40 PM ^
I still find college sports interesting, so I care in that respect.
But I find that I don't care about the "bragging rights" part of it so much any more.
The losses don't wound as much any more, the victories are less and less to gloat about.
Your self-serving players and coaches beat my self-serving players and coaches. My self-serving players and coaches beat your self-serving players and coaches.
Who cares?
There's not that much to brag about.
Nobody thinks they really represent the institution itself.
If they win big, they do bring publicity to the institution which can be fun. But you have your fingers crossed the whole time that they don't bring equally bad publicity to the institution. You're never really sure.
Unless you are Ohio State, Michigan State, et al, and you never cared about the bad publicity part in the first place.
It's a cynical world, college sports. So you cherry pick your pockets of glory to get around it. Except those pockets keep getting smaller and smaller and less meaningful.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:58 PM ^
But then a Denard comes along, or a Grant Newsome and... I dunno... I at least feel good rooting for them, on the field and off.
Sports still provide us with this great window through which to view amazing tests of human strength and character. When you cut away all of this other... SHIT... there is still a kid from Pehokee out there DOING THINGS. Awesome things. I can still get behind that.
*waves tiny flag*
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:04 PM ^
Yeah, I though about things like Denard's smile and Devin's character when I wrote this. There still are pockets of glory. It's not all bad.
But you still have to cherry pick. At some point the scale tips . . .
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:07 PM ^
Ya. As soon as I wrote that I went "that's pretty much cherry picking right there. Just like he's saying..."
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:16 PM ^
Not to mention Vincent Smith’s charity or Chad Tough. Without college football, they likely would not have received anywhere near the same level of funding to do good. Or how about Jabrill Peppers. While there is a chance he would have been successful without football, there is an equally good chance he would have ended up like his brother. Football has provided an opportunity for thousands of impoverished young men to escape their circumstances. While there are certainly serious problems with major athletics culture, we should not forget all the good it does. Whether the good outweighs the bad is a question that I do not know the answer to, but it should be considered.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:41 PM ^
"Every major recruit is getting paid under the table."
Brian, does this include our major recruits? I've always believed that Michigan football has not done this. Please tell me there is no gambling at the casino!
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:01 PM ^
I don't know anyone who knows for sure. I've heard many interesting rumors but I can't source any of them.
Michigan is generally known to be 100% compliant, but that doesn't discount the possibility of them being Lawful Neutral about it -- if there's a legal, NCAA-approved way to get money into the hands of the players, they don't have a reason to avoid it. That still puts them at a significant disadvantage over schools that all but hand bags of money to players' families and laugh because the NCAA is right there laughing with them.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:14 PM ^
I'm all for legal ways for these kids to get money, I just hope that the program never stoops to SEC levels of paying piles-of-money for recruits. I'm currently reading a biography of Churchill and Orwell. I am struck by Orwell's commitment to the truth, regardless of whether it contradicts his political views. Perusing comments on 11 W's site these past couple of weeks was a striking counter example to all Orwell held dearly. I would hope I, and the Michigan fan base, would not react in a similar manner if a similar scandal hit Michigan.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^
I’m already suffering from acute burnout and trauma from life as a 911 dispatcher so yesterday’s ruling was expected.
I’m not the same die-hard who joined this blog nearly 10 years ago.
I’m jaded and mentally tired. In other words, a cynical asshole whose wife doesn’t even recognize certain days. I know football season is literally around the corner but I find it difficult to give a shit honestly. The powerful become more powerful, and evil and deceit thrive.
I just don’t know anymore guys.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
I’m already suffering from acute burnout and trauma from life as a 911 dispatcher so yesterday’s ruling was expected.
I’m jaded and mentally tired. In other words, a cynical asshole whose wife doesn’t even recognize certain days.
Find some help (and not in a bottle). Your wife will thank you, as will the people you serve who mostly never stop to say thank you. (Thank you, BTW -- I've heard enough recordings to know that I couldn't possibly handle that responsibility). But, seriously -- whether it's counseling, religion, the great outdoors, the local muay thai gym -- you need to help yourself before you'll be able to help others.
We used to be able to turn to sports for a distraction from reality. Now, it feels that we need to turn to reality for a distraction from sports. :(
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:43 PM ^
It really is getting harder and harder to care. I was so fired up for a couple minutes after seeing Ace's twitter exchange with Biddle. I thought about doing something, then I said to myself, "what is the point" and then went to bed.
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:00 PM ^
"What's the point?"
That seems to be the prevailing response for those who want things to be better than they are in our sport.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:44 PM ^
Perhaps Michigan should win the game for Courtney Smith?
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:46 PM ^
What employer wouldn’t fire an employee who:
1. Failed to disclose knowledge of an arrest in hiring a subordinate
2. Lied about whether a domestic assault victim of his subordinate recanted her story to him
3. Lied about whether he and his wife discussed texts his wife received from a crime victim that raised grave concerns about a subordinate
4. Did not know about a subordinate’s affair with a secretary necessitating moving her job, his use of employer electronics to make home made porn, and his procurement of sex toys at work, despite the fact that multiple of his other subordinates did know about these things
5. Destroyed text message evidence after learning it might be culled to determine his now questioned conduct
6. Lied to the media about his knowledge of a 3 year old subordinate misconduct incident
7. Has condition that causes memory lapses that makes ascertaining his state of mind during questioned conduct difficult
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^
Kind of pessimistic, but there are some truths in there. The answer is for Harbaugh and his team to go kick some ass.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:47 PM ^
The more I hear about this, the more it disgusts me. And I'm stuck with Brian's quote in the podcast: 'This is why women don't come forward.'
Yes. It's hard to care. I still watch Michigan football; because so far it appears Harbaugh is clean.
But there's always that nagging sense of worry in the background after JoPa, MSU, OSU (wrestlers and this), Wisci recievers, Maryland, Baylor (Why do they have a football program?) and our own programs seeming opacity.
I want to win. But not win with blood on the hands of the program.
That said, for now I still trust Harbaugh. He's given me no reason not to. And I appreciate guys like Baumgardner (who I know some people hate, and who I can often get annoyed by) because if word of this starts getting around, it's not going to get reported by McMurphy, it's going to get reported by someone like Baumgardner and hopefully reach the light of day in time to limit the damage to the victims.
The thing that makes me so sick to my stomach is the indifference of the fan base. I hope the time never comes for us. But if it does, I hope we as fans are better.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:49 PM ^
Here's how it seems to me:
There is a tacit understanding among the OSU higher-ups (forget the fan base) that Courtney Smith is some psychopath who manufactured or otherwise "provoked" this situation. They know they can't "say" it but, goddamn, the perceived "unfairness" is killing them, especially Meyer. He's pissed at Zac Smith, sure, but Courtney... oh man, is he steaming at her, and its killing him that he can't say WHY. That he can't tell the world that this woman is mental! MENTAL I TELL YA!!!
From the way some parts of the report reads, to Meyer's quotes and refusal to acknowledge Courtney Smith, through the vague statements from the board and the president... it just feels like they're all rolling their eyes internally; like they can't BELIEVE this woman is getting away with this. Sure, fine, we'll all say the things we're expected to say, "abuse is bad, blah blah," "should have paid more attention, blah blah," "I guess my biggest flaw is that I just give people too many dang chances in life, blah blah blah..." but this is all for show because, to them, this woman MADE THIS HAPPEN. The abuse, the scandal, all of it. It's all a mountain created from a molehill. She told her cheating husband she'd make him pay, and she did, and smeared their fine institution in the process. She forced him to put his hands on her, then played it up. That's what they think.
I honestly think that, in a candid, private moment, every one of the OSU higher-ups involved in this is quietly telling their closest friends [in their best office gossip voice] "well, there's a LOT you don't know about Courtney Smith. Trust me. The woman's a full on nut job." *resigned sigh* "But public sentiment was already in her favor so we couldn't say any of it. So Coach Meyer and Gene just had to take their lumps. It's all quite unfair really, but what are you going to do? The public is automatically on the side of any woman who alleges abuse these days, even when she's completely crazy."
So now, because of this #metoo world we live in (from their perspective), they'll give the ravenous public their symbolic pound of flesh, mumble their begrudging apologies, stay vague on the things that don't add up (because that would require explaining to the world precisely how and why Courtney Smith is a manipulating psycho which, my god, have you seen the world today?! It's nuts out there with all of these women saying all of these... things...), and wait for the next scandal to move them off the front page.
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:49 PM ^
There were indeed OSU fans these past three weeks claiming "inside sources" that the investigation would completely clear Zach Smith's name and prove that it was all Courtney's fault.
But the investigative report didn't do that at all, and I don't think it was out of any sense of shame (they revealed lots of other ugliness). I think it was just wishful thinking by a bunch of jock sniffers.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:52 PM ^
The timing of this story is clearly a disraction from the more serious rape issues amd institutional cover ups.
Burn it all down.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:53 PM ^
Can teams just refuse to play these scumbags? Seems like we’re looking for somebody else to take a stand while still feeding the beast with what is enabling the behavior. Don’t play the games and they have nothing.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
I've been wondering this too. What if some schools just said "we're done. We're not playing these schools any more." Would it have any effect?
The problem is that these things, or, at least, similar things, really can happen anywhere. We'd all like to think that it can't, but if Penn State taught us anything it's that you can "say" it all you want, that doesn't make it true.
So, any school that took that kind of stand and then later was found to be guilty of... GOD KNOWS WHAT... then the "stand" they took just becomes a sanctimonious soap box for others to poop in.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:34 PM ^
Fair point, but I dont think Michigan would be taking a stand against individuals behaving badly. That is bound to happen. It would be taking a stand against the institutions that cover the individual up. In that case, we don’t have to worry about it coming back to bite us since none of us thinks this kind of institutional behavior would happen here. And if anyone doesn’t think that then they shouldn’t be casting stones at OSU or MSU
August 24th, 2018 at 12:01 AM ^
If anything close to this situation (OSU/Urban), MSU or PSU happened at Michigan I would cry my eyes out and puke my guts out. I would be so disgusted I would never watch another game again. Thank God that hasn’t happened and hopefully it never will. College sports has to have leaders and I believe the U of M is one of them.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:54 PM ^
Sounds like many members are emotionally distraught over the OSU mess, some even wondering how they can raise their children in the post-Meyer 3 game suspension world we find ourselves in. Given the seriousness of the self-described emotional distress exhibited by many members, might it make sense to come together and pick a safe space for members to go where they can discuss their feelings and emotions, and the effect it had had on their families, in an effort to move beyond the emotional scars caused to this board's members by the news from OSU? Could even arrange to have counselors present, etc.
Might this be a good idea given the volume of members who are questioning college sports and its impact on their emotional well-being?
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
"And then how are you supposed to care?"
There are so many conflicting thoughts and feelings about the sport I love and how it may actually be evil and terrible for kids. I want to change it because playing it and watching it were such a positive experience for me. Yet as the moral rot proves not to be a bug - it's the damn feature - I start to get apathetic about trying to preserve a sepia toned experience. And hearing that "it's always been bad" just makes me question my own history with this game.
And that apathy turns to anger as I read headlines and increasingly come to terms that it's not just sports - it's every large institution that puts their faceless organization ahead of real people.
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:55 PM ^
College sports (or at least the big revenue sports) needs their own Kennesaw Mountain Landis. (Except the big schools don't want it and wouldn't stand for a sever level of discipline.)
August 23rd, 2018 at 12:59 PM ^
God I was actually thinking that the best thing to come out of this would be Brian’s beatdown and I’ve been looking forward to reading it since last night.
But then this. And he’s right. Why care? This moment was a nationwide sigh of depression, I think a lot of us, if we are honest, are feeling a bit broken about it today.
I see that Courtney Smith apparently has problems of her own, but I do feel bad for her today. She’s the woman that #MeToo just ignored. Passed by. This moment is for women everywhere except you I guess.
And I’m distraught that we just taught the entire OSU team and countless other young men that you should cut just as many corners as you can get away with. And If you are rich and powerful you can get away with more.
And believe me, I won’t be preaching UM as a moral high ground. If it’s infected MSU PSU OSU MARYLAND RUTGERS and the entire SEC and most other sports organizations, then I’m sure UM has some skeletons too, and if not today, we will eventually. Just wait for our time.
Sigh.
August 23rd, 2018 at 3:23 PM ^
i disagree on one thing - i think it's unlikely that we have long-lost and long-forgotten 'skeletons,' but if something did come to light, i'd like to think that we'd deal with in a moral, ethical way.
every program, every organization is subject to the vagaries of chance when it comes to bad people. the key is how you deal with them when their scumbag heads pop up. ohio state (and michigan state) have proven, time and again, that they will make the wrong moral choice.
August 23rd, 2018 at 10:10 PM ^
And we do have evidence. Hoke made a horrible choice and the whole circus happened the same way in the athletic dept as it did in OSU’s boardroom yesterday. Vague statements, PR fluff, pure embarrassment from hoke and Brandon
Difference then is that the M community expected better. Boycotted ourselves. Made an outcry demanding change. And the President showed actual leadership and got the job done without a farcical board marathon.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:03 PM ^
I'm listening to the roundtable as I read this and Brian just said "Loathsome institutions" as I read "loathsome institutions" above. Eerie
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:04 PM ^
zeitgeist
hard not to be apathetic
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:05 PM ^
Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffian's can "ni" at will to old ladies.
For some reason this is what came to my mind after reading this. Good stuff Brian.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:08 PM ^
This doesn't change my Michigan fandom. It does make me think that a lot of these issues are too big for most institutions to handle and since it touches on everyone from the athletic departments, schools, the NCAA, police, federal law, state law, local law, the conference, plus many groups without authority like alumni, fans, media, boosters, etc. there are too many layers and too much room for interpretation and appeasement.
Urban Meyer can delete texts, lie about having memory problems, throw others under the bus, and make his wife lie and yet still have the balls to push back on any suspension. How can he feel so empowered? Isn't that strange?
As embarrassing as this is to OSU, they probably feel confident that this is over and behind them but with all of the problems he's had personally and with his players, isn't it just a matter of time before something like this happens again?
August 24th, 2018 at 12:08 AM ^
I don’t think it’s over. Not with Robert Mueller, I mean Brett McMurphy on the case.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:09 PM ^
Our program is now primed to win...hopefully they run with this... Michigan has been known to do the right thing, unlike their winning rivals . Keep this in then public realm realm and eventually they'll submarine to the guilt.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:12 PM ^
I'm not 100% sure, as I'm not a lawyer. But isn't Meyers deletion of texts and emails illegal? As a state employee, aren't his electronic communications subject to FOIA? Regardless of when and why he deleted them, the fact that he did in and of itself is a crime, right?
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:55 PM ^
Maybe, but assuming you're right, good luck finding anyone in Ohio to bring those charges against him.
In other news, I wonder which OSU fans will have the honor of officiating The Game this year.
August 24th, 2018 at 12:12 AM ^
If I see any official patting OSU players on the ass this year I will lose my shit. Anything close to ‘16 happens again from a refereeing standpoint and we should leave the Big Ten immediately. No joke. Just be done with it. Otherwise we are all just a bunch of fools getting played by these assholes from the Big Ten.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:13 PM ^
Why isn't Voltolini gone? He disobeyed a direct instruction from the office of general counsel. In addition, he might have (likely) helped destroy relevant evidence that was directly related to the investigation. Is there any other organization in this country where you could act that way and keep your job?
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:15 PM ^
I gotta be honest here, it's kind of hard for us to look down our noses at the SEC for paying players (how quaint!) when the Big Ten East division has become the Big Ten Abuse division.
It appears that we care about winning just as much as the SEC, and we are apparently willing to cover up even bigger offenses.
Now for all we know, the SEC has the same level of abuse going on but their compliant media just won't report on it. I don't know.
But we are hardly higher up the food chain than the SEC.
Might as well quit being a hypocrite about it, and start paying players and go win some games. It's college football 2018. Nobody cares. It's like going 75 mph on I-94. Yeah, so what? It's routine.
Just stop the blatant abuse and cover ups.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:37 PM ^
If this is what Urban Meyer meant when he said the Big Ten needed to recruit better and get better coaches, then this all makes sense.
August 23rd, 2018 at 2:50 PM ^
There's a reason I'm a Michigan fan and not a Big Ten East fan. The abuses by schools in the division don't suddenly make the blatant rule breaking by the SEC fine. It's all bad and should be treated as such.
August 23rd, 2018 at 1:25 PM ^
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m48zbp7qXIQ
I find this YouTube clip of Meyer's losses at OSU to be refreshing at times like these.
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