OSU investigation to end in 14 days
not sure if that suggests one way or another.
Once more, in even simpler terms, for those in the back:
YOUR COACH PROTECTED A MAN WHO BEAT HIS WIFE MANY TIMES. THE VICTIM IN THIS CASE IS THE WIFE. THE KIDS WOULD BE FINE WITH A DIFFERENT COACH.
Well didn't Warinner also keep his trap shut the whole time as well?
Kinda like Dantonio and Izzo did when they had all their problems? http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-in…
August 6th, 2018 at 10:07 AM ^
Weird. One would imagine the Jones Day firm would have uncovered wrongdoing. Except they didn't.
I get that losing 8 of 10 to an instate foe (I won't say rival because of course your media creation OSU rivalry obviously takes precedence, lol) can lead to animosity but jeeze. The Lavigne article has been proven to be patently false, but by all means keep holding onto the false hope that one day Dantonio will be fired and UM might sometime have class go better than 1-3 vs MSU.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:21 PM ^
The Lavigne article has been proven to be patently false,
Only in the minds of MSU fans whose self-esteem is tied to the success of their sports teams, and who can't see straight as a result.
Michigan has kicked MSU's ass in basketball three times running but that hasn't softened my view on Izzo. He should have been fired after the Walton news broke.
As an obvious sparty fan, you are seriously going to say something about Warriner? Come on man, sparty fans especially shouldn't go there ever with all the times Izzo and Mork didn't say a damn thing to anyone.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^
Well, I think UM should do some vetting on Warinner. MSU hired an independent firm, and guess what? No wrongdoing found. But by all means, don't investigate Warinner, because a Michigan Man obviously can do no wrong.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:34 AM ^
You are not able to comprehend logic or step outside your little box to critically think about things from an unbiased point of view. I don't believe you can be helped but it will need to start from within. Good luck.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:40 AM ^
You do realize that you just described a typical Walverine?
August 6th, 2018 at 11:04 AM ^
Fuck off. everyone i work with is a sparty fan and not one of them went to MSU. Walverine shit is old
August 6th, 2018 at 12:29 PM ^
Just keep telling yourself Izzo did nothing wrong with the whole Walton issue amongst other.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:56 PM ^
“Independent”.. lol.. you’re hilarious man
August 6th, 2018 at 10:10 AM ^
OSU fan here. OSU insiders are reporting that Warinner was pissed that OSU fired him, has been pushing this story to the press for quite a while, and no outlet would take the story. Not clear if Warinner was the one that contacted BM initially, but it is highly likely.
Side story to the main issue: UM coaches and players now have to worry that Warinner will turn on them if/when Warinner gets fired by UM. Seems like Warinner's conduct could create trust issues at UM.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:51 AM ^
If Ed gets pissed and contacts writers about a Michigan coach who beats his wife, that’s ok with me.
And, look, even Ramzy knew this story. McMurphy probably heard it from multiple people and then gathered enough sourcing to run it.
August 6th, 2018 at 11:58 AM ^
Accrding to OSU "insiders" Warinner is the guy who fed McMurphy the info. So he's good O line coach and will do what's right. I can see why Urban got rid of him.
But we are not talking about facts, we are talking about feelings. Cumong man! Get with the program here and try to see it from an OSU perspective.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:14 PM ^
Dont give me that.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:15 PM ^
So why was Smith still on staff two months after he was arrested for criminal trespassing? Keep in mind this was his second offense, he initially was given a warning by a detective of the Powell PD. Only after Courteney Smith was given a protective order and McMurphy broke the story was any action taken.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:16 PM ^
Yep. The people that are upset with a man that protected a woman beater are really the disgusting ones. Got it. Fuck off, homer.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:17 PM ^
Here’s as level as I can be, man.
1) report out about ZS
2) urban fires him
3) urban claims he had no idea about ZS
4) evidence out he did (evidence to coorborated by him claiming he knew and told AD)
5) urban admitting he did know and told AD
that is all that is needed. He is now claiming he knew, so why was ZS on staff? Are you telling me he didn’t have control over hiring and firing? Are you telling me it’s not on urban because he reported it but still willingly kept a DV abuser on staff? I truly don’t see how you can justify it. Reporting it or not... HE LET HIM COACH AFTER KNOWING. Whether he did the right thing protocol wise or not... WHY DOES IT MATTER? What kind of person does that??? It’s sick. There is no space for reason when someone is this vile and half of Buckeye nation is jizzing over a reddit post that the report changed it from”arrested” to alleged. Thst shit doesn’t matter one iota.
He knew and did nothing.
dont need any more than that.
fire thst fucker.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:09 AM ^
Zach Smith was never charged with anything, let alone arrested. That's what some of you keep missing.
In the eyes of the law, he's innocent. If the Columbus police didn't find enough evidence to arrest him, what is OSU supposed to do? ZS could have sued them for wrongful termination.
Sometimes the justice system doesn't get things right, or maybe it got it right in this case and his ex-wife is crazy and lying. I don't know. So none of you could possibly know.
Only ones who know for sure are Zach Smith and his ex-wife. And possible the police.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:15 AM ^
Or sometimes an abused woman gets pressured into not pressing charges against a well-connected abuser.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:18 AM ^
And keep in mind this is the same "victim" who refused to pick up her kids after Zach had visitation, which resulted in him having to drop them off at her house, and then she takes a picture of his car in the driveway to get him in trouble for trespassing.
This couple was all kinds of fucked up. To paint her as some kind of saint is laughable. She was pulled over 3 times for DUI and the police let her off every time because she claimed DV.
And nobody is saying Zach is a great guy either, he's a POS too. They're both dysfunctional alcoholics.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:21 AM ^
Right, because only "saints" deserve to be believed or protected. This is exactly why most women won't come forward, because of this kind of bullshit.
You're disgusting, man. Seriously. Just quit digging.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:44 AM ^
This.
I don't engage the trolls typically but bottom line Zach Smith would have language in his contract about personal conduct. That sort of language is in any faculty agreement FFS, let alone a football coach. It would, assuredly, have been clear enough for tOSU to move on from Zach Smith at any point.
Jablome is a sad troll reaching.
I'll just say that it's weird how Michigan fans refuse to even consider a two way terrible relationship as a possibility. Most folks on r/cfb can at least acknowledge it as a possibility. Either way, Urban is an idiot for keeping Smith around.
So two way terrible relationship makes it ok to bear her up? That is exactly what r/cfb is trying to do. Because it was a terrible relationship it is ok. Stop making this about how terrible she is. How do you know she didn't retaliate because she couldn't take it anymore? How do you know how she was mentally abused by a guy who looks like a football player himself. What all those people are doing is justifying the abuse and spewing that crap here also.
When there's a mass of evidence that she beat him maybe we'll jump on that train. For now, we just have the evidence that Zach is an abuser and that's what we're going with.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:02 AM ^
How fucked up was your childhood that you can rationalize physical abuse as a terrible two way relationship?
You are an idiot.
So I’ll ask again... swear to god Ohioans are dumbasses.... if we don’t even know if he abused her (texts say otherwise) then why did urban fire him once it became public??? Don’t claim public backlash after the Shit storm he’s inciting now. It’s clear as day your university is a fucked up place if he’s kept on.
But do you bro
Didn't Harbaugh keep a sexual abuser on his team? Grant Perry? Fire Harbaugh. Michiganders are dumbasses
August 6th, 2018 at 10:25 AM ^
Well yeah, they had to. He was literally the only competent part of the "Michigan Passing Attack".
August 6th, 2018 at 10:22 AM ^
Wait you really think the Police let s Drunk driver off because she blurts out I'm a victim ofDV?? lol....There is no actual evidence that supports any of this other than some Cousins, brothers, sisters, moms, dads, grandfathers, who happens to know the same chicken breeder that supplies eggs to the grocers store where she shops who posted it on twitter....
He was arrested in May of this year for criminal trespassing. Then kept on staff for two more months, before Courteney Smith was granted a protective order and McMurphy questioned OSU about it. So somehow Urban knew about the 2009 incident and along with Shelley counciled the Smiths, didn't know about the 2015 incident (but reported it to the proper people), then kept Smith on staff for two months after he was arrested for his second criminal trespassing offense.
Have some common sense. The woman sent a text to Meyer's wife. You are telling me his wife didn't tell him? Is the stupid football program that important to you? Should not be. Woman abuser and enabler need to be stopped. Check your priorities.
Your justice system doesn't get things right? Believe me, when the Michigan Marching band bus gets a speeding ticket en route to Columbus on gameday. Or any number of those on this board who get harassed by the Ohio police for having Michigan plates. Believe me when I write that the fans on this board are well aware at how the justice system in Ohio doesn't get things right. Especially when it comes to the Ohio State football team. So don't expect us to find the Ohio law enforcement apparatus/justice system to be trustworthy.
He was arrested in ‘09. Charges were dropped. My whole problem with this situation is as I think about the real world, I can’t think of too many managers who hire a former intern who was arrested on their watch. Interns are a dime a dozen and there’s no need to risk. Granted bad judgment is not necessarily a fireable offense.
Hey dumbass, a coach does not have to be arrested or formally charged to be fired or let go. There is a pattern of behavior that has been established over the course of several years.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:19 PM ^
Get fucked.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:21 PM ^
<insert laughing emoji here> Hop on twitter and see what Buckeye fans are saying about Courtney Smith. Michigan fans (and everybody else who isn’t an Ohio State fan) thinks you’re all pieces of shit. Your ENTIRE fan base is bashing a victim of domestic violence. For what? To honor that snake Urban? It’s funny how in the past 8ish years you’ve had two issues that’s gotten 1 coach fired and another on the verge of being fired or suspended. Worry about defending Urban somewhere else. I can promise 99% of people on this blog thinks you’re a complete idiot and doesn’t care about your opinion. Go back to 11W with the other morons who think Urban did nothing wrong.
Lol how mad are you gonna be when Urban doesn't get fired?
August 6th, 2018 at 11:00 AM ^
Nah, it will just continue to validate that OSU puts football above all else.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:15 PM ^
I'd have a lot more cognitive dissonance if he *does* get fired.
Judging by the response from Buckeye nation, 85% of them would punch Courtney Smith personally if they could get away with it.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:22 PM ^
then there nothing Urban has left to do, but his primary job as head football coach. He is not an investigator. If he is lying and it shows that he never reported the incidents, then fire him.
There's no higher up at OSU and a large number of FBS schools. Why didn't he fire him for being a shitty WR coach if that was his only job? There's more to this story, and it is a horrible look for Urban as it is. Good luck. I would say less if I were an OSU fan or coach at this point.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:27 PM ^
I would like to hear what Gene Smith response. After Big Ten Media, who would trust what Urban Meyer has to say. Wasn’t one of Urban Meyer’s quotes “ If you lie you will never coach again. Well Mr. Meyer, You and OSU should practice what you preach.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:28 PM ^
Urban knew about the 2009 incident and still brought him on board in 2012. There is also a lot of smoke regarding the 2009 incident that Urban's close adviser talked to Courtney about dropping charges, but we can ignore that for now and just go with he knew what happened in 2009 based on the charges filed (Zach threw his pregnant wife against the wall).
So Urban gave him a second chance in 2012. Then Urban admitted he knew about the 2015 incident. Based on what Urban knew about 2009, simply reporting the 2015 incident to his superior isn't enough. It may meet his contractual requirements but it comes nowhere near meeting moral requirements.
Any decent human would go above and beyond to find out what happened in 2015. It wouldn't be hard since his wife had photos and Zach was charged with stalking and had a restraining order issued against him.
Despite all of that, Urban kept him around for three more years and only let him go when it became public knowledge that Urban knew.
OSU knew what they were getting when they hired someone who ran a program with 30 arrests over six years. They don't get to act shocked now when people question how Urban runs a program.
Makes one wonder why she didn't leave him upon the first strike. She'd have been entitled.to child support, and he wouldn't have been fired.
And here's why he had to have known about the 2015 incident, because to have not known would preclude him from claiming in his Friday statement that he actually reported it to his superior, AD Gene Smith.
He lied to the media in Chicago about the McMurphy report because he didn't want to have to explain his failed response to a litany of police calls to the Zach Smith home about domestic disturbances and other information surrounding the matter over 9 years, whether they led to violence or not.
The history of the marriage would suggest it was beyond saving by anyone but Meyer put himself in jeopardy by maintaining Smith's employment at Ohio State even when he was well aware as well as others in his own inner circle the domestic problems potentially threatened his program, on any level. Just look what's happened in recent days.
Beyond that, a Buckeye fan and Ohio lawyer is now going all in to claim that revised reporting by McMurphy, based in part on the changing of Powell Police status report changes acknowledged by the department itself, gives Meyer an out for responding as he did to media questioning.
But Meyer could have corrected the record on the spot or done so later in his statement, and made his supervisory case look stronger in the process by doing so. He didn't do that. In fact, he readily admits in his statement that he lied to the press because who is going to condemn that now in a Trumpian world of lying from the podium at will.
The issue that the changing police report now raises is more interesting. Because the status alteration could be viewed from another standpoint, one not so beneficial to the latest Buckeye rationale.
It could have been just a clerical change based on the police deciding the incident under investigation didn't rise to a charge worthy of arrest. But apparently at some point it did. Which changes the dynamic of the reporting procedural timeline and whether any pressure was applied to make the change. This story cuts both ways. It also requires a more fuller explanation of what occurred between police, Meyer, his staff and Ohio State when all this occurred.
In a website story about what it currently knows about the overall case, 11Warriors noted that at a certain point Meyer took Smith aside following the 2015 incident and threatened to fire him if he discovered that he'd been lied to about what was actually in local police reports and that he hit his wife. Well, because Smith was never actually arrested or charged, Meyer let it go. And he kept retaining him as coach, until another incident forced his hand.
When you start blaming the messenger and the victim for the wrongfulness of the message that puts your savior in harms way, you only make things worse when you discover he really wasn't worth saving after all.
August 5th, 2018 at 11:33 PM ^
Yes, the kids are the real victims - Zach and Courtney Smith's kids that is - who had to watch their dad physically abuse their mother while Urban Meyer allowed him to stay on staff at OSU.