MSU loses QB commit to OSU
Dude is ranked 694th on 247's rankings.
Urbz is losing his fastball
Feels like a move for them to get closer to Dobbs and maybe steal Barnett as well.
OSU missed on their other QB targets and has thin QB depth
Well.... when guys see they will never play in the league........
2018 salaries:
Cardale Jones: $680k
Braxton Miller: $650k
JT Barrett: $480k
Some pretty wealthy clipboard carriers in the NFL...
JT hasn't made the team yet
Miller may not either
actually Jones is iffy too
2018 salaries:
Tom Brady - $20.5M (that's quite a bargain)
Andrew Luck - $24.5M
Chad Henne - $4.2M
Jake Ruddock - $630k
Obligatory:
ruddddddock
Guys make more at bama and Georgia
Highly doubt they will have long lucrative careers.
Yeah, our QB recruiting has been wonky these last two seasons. I think we're in a transition phase from DUAL to PRO, but don't have the on-the-field results to prove to recruits that we're a good fit. QB Coach and OC Ryan Day has been a godsend in that regard, and I expect our top 2020 target Miller to commit in the next month or so. If Haskins balls out this year, I think our QB recruiting will be fine moving forward.
Doesn't make sense to me. I feel like when Meyer has tried to go pro style in the past it hasn't worked out. So yeah, never mind, you guys should go for it
Cardale did OK in the playoffs so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I also think these designations aren't always accurate. We're never going to recruit a statue, because Urban's always going to want to have the QB run as an option. But I think the past couple of years have shown that you can't win a National Championship without the ability to take the top off a defense, so they're prioritizing guys that can move a little but aren't just running backs that can handle the snap.
true - but teams had not scouted him and the next year it didn't go well
BUT - we'll see how it goes
What was always weird to me regarding Barrett was that he was a pretty good passer coming out of HS. Like, between him and Miller he was viewed as the "passer" and Miller the WR/RB taking snaps. And yet, Barrett ultimately became a liability at QB when defenses could slow him down on the ground.
Yeah that's always puzzled me as well. Honestly I think JT's biggest problem in the passing game is that he didn't trust the WRs to make plays. He'd wait for the guy to absolutely get open, then throw the ball. Unfortunately that's not going to cut it against top-quality teams, so we'd end up with a lot of check-downs and scrambles. It's fine when you can out-talent the opposition but it's not going to crack open a good defense.
That being said, I'm sure I will pull my hair out a dozen times this season at the risks Haskins will take.
Considering the lack of PRO QBs on OSU's roster, Wilson's college track record, Day having worked as an NFL QB coach, and the focus Meyer puts on recruiting, the 2018 and 2019 QB classes look like a failure for OSU. I won't complain as a Michigan fan, but I'd be concerned about anything happening to Haskins or him leaving early with a good year.
I don't worry about it, honestly. I'm happy with Baldwin - he only had one year starting in HS but led his high school to the state championship game in the toughest high school division in the country. 2019 QB class was thin overall and I don't think there was anyone the staff absolutely loved, but this is about as good as we could hope for. Miller in 2020 looks like a stud. I think the QB room is going to be solid.
Or maybe they just like Mathis? There is no connection between Mathis and Barnett, other than they would be in the same class.
Considering he has been after an OSU offer for a while and they just finally offered after missing on Mertz and passing on Gunnell, he wasn't a 1st choice. And he's from Belleville just like Dobbs and Barnett so it's not unreasonable to question that angle.
I believe they offered him several months ago.
He's from Belleville, but goes to Oak Park? That's a good 50 mins away.
I saw that too. No, Mathis goes to Oak Park HS, northern suburb of Detroit, and they're putting out lots of D1 talent of late.
Maybe Justin Rogers for next year, but I don't think you take a QB just to get close to other players who live in the same town but go to a different school. Unless, of course, you know something I don't
yeah - his ratings are all over the place
ESPN has him as a 4-star
not that urban and sou deserve fair... but to be fair it does not seem like a great QB class
Does 11 warriors have their own version of bluey? Scarletty?
He is the #2 dual threat on Rivals and frankly they do a much better job than 247, especially with QB's.
I'm sure his 247 ranking will skyrocket now that he has jumped from Iowa St to MSU to OSU.
I dont know if this is good or bad
OSU will always get recruits
MSU is hit or miss, so I would rather they miss
Great news for us! OSU missing out on Grant Gunnell to freaking Kevin Sumlim at Arizona was critical here. Best of luck to Mathis but Urban’s QB development....
According to the insiders OSU wasn't sold on Gunnel and if OSU wanted him, he would've committed to them.
From what I've heard it just wasn't a good culture fit. OSU's an intense program to play in, and Gunnel is apparently a pretty laid-back guy.
Maybe Urban doesn't care what a recruiting analyst making $30k per year thinks about a QB prospect.
“Well, I mean, I hear people say it’s not important,” Meyer said way back on signing day in 2014 after Ohio State finished third nationally. “I disagree. As long as you’re keeping score we’re going to try to win. I’m disappointing we weren’t the No. 1 recruiting class in the country. Our staff knows we’re disappointed about that.
“Is that the final end‑all? No … but there is a correlation between how teams do where your team is ranked [and where your] recruiting class is ranked.”
Meyer has admitted just about every year that he pays attention to those rankings, and that will make this closing stretch with the Buckeyes sprinting to a revamped finish line even more interesting than usual.
Certainly on paper, everything is shaping up the way Meyer envisions it for Ohio State. He obviously has made it no secret that it matters to him, even though it’s also true that the work is really only beginning when the ink dries on those signatures.
“Once again, what’s it really mean? Nothing,” Meyer said two years ago. “You had a skinny-neck kid from New Albany that played quarterback [now NFL linebacker Darron Lee] that ended up being OK and he wasn’t ranked very high. Every year that happens, but we do check those things out. I know I do.
“Rankings are important. As long as you’re keeping score, we like to do the best we can.”
“Well, I mean, I hear people say it’s not important,” Meyer said way back on signing day in 2014 after Ohio State finished third nationally. “I disagree. As long as you’re keeping score we’re going to try to win. I’m disappointing we weren’t the No. 1 recruiting class in the country. Our staff knows we’re disappointed about that.
“Is that the final end‑all? No … but there is a correlation between how teams do where your team is ranked [and where your] recruiting class is ranked.”
Meyer has admitted just about every year that he pays attention to those rankings, and that will make this closing stretch with the Buckeyes sprinting to a revamped finish line even more interesting than usual.
Certainly on paper, everything is shaping up the way Meyer envisions it for Ohio State. He obviously has made it no secret that it matters to him, even though it’s also true that the work is really only beginning when the ink dries on those signatures.
“Once again, what’s it really mean? Nothing,” Meyer said two years ago. “You had a skinny-neck kid from New Albany that played quarterback [now NFL linebacker Darron Lee] that ended up being OK and he wasn’t ranked very high. Every year that happens, but we do check those things out. I know I do.
“Rankings are important. As long as you’re keeping score, we like to do the best we can.”
There's a balance, though. They moved on from Mycah Parsons last year, and he was what, 5th nationally?
Nor should any coach worth a damn. They do their own evaluations, they have their own recruiting “rankings” and they offer guys THEY like.
Fans fail to realize that the recruiting sites are there for OUR entertainment, and that coaching staff’s don’t pay much attention to them at all.
Except Urban Meyer admits he pays attention to them. Between this and your recruiting rankings mean nothing posts you are just full of hot air.
That's not what Meyer said at all. He said he'd like to have the #1 recruiting class (duh!). He said nothing about recruiting guys based on starz. As someone said about someone else, "you are just full of hot air."
“Once again, what’s it really mean? Nothing,” Meyer said two years ago. “You had a skinny-neck kid from New Albany that played quarterback [now NFL linebacker Darron Lee] that ended up being OK and he wasn’t ranked very high. Every year that happens, but we do check those things out. I know I do.”
He said he pays attention to them and he’d like to have the top class (as you said, duh!). But Bluey conveniently ignored the parts where Meyer said it ultimately means nothing and acknowledges the flaws of the system.
Except that’s not at all what Urban Meyer said.
Does he pay attention to them? Sure. He looks. Does he want to have the top class? Sure, everyone does. Does he recruit players based off of the rankings? Absolutely not.
They do their own evaluations of players, just like every staff does. They have their own recruiting board based on those evaluations, just like everyone does. In no way, shape or form does Urban just look at the rankings and offer a kid based on that.
Yeah, I always get a kick out of much stock fans put into the impressions taken away from recruitniks at these camps. I went to the camp that was at Concordia College in A2 about five years ago as it is close to my house. It was just a bunch of drills and there were hundreds of players there.
Sugar Shane looked awesome!
And let's just say that I didn't see a single recruiting analyst who looked like they had ever played sports in high school.
Lol.
So a lower rated QB had an OSU offer that was commitable? I thought OSU only gave commitable offers to 5 stars. /s
Urban Meyer is really slipping. I’m sure this isn’t what OSU fans expect for X Million dollars per year. Pathetic. He should probably just listen only to what recruitniks that make $25k/year think. I mean, they have all of the credibility and never have clickbait periods to entice new subscribers and it is super easy to cancel so it’s definitely not a scam.
I'm not sure if I can't stop laughing or crying.
He does pay attention to what recruiting analysts think.
Earth shattering.
you don't get it
no one is saying ratings don't matter - we all know what the data supports
personally, I like any 3-star we take to have a decent offer sheet and be top 500
this staff does take more fliers, but then again, Harbaugh has a decent track record with 3-starts either being good or getting processed one way or another
your attitude and seemingly taking glee with bad news towards Michigan is why just about everyone would rather you not be on this board