The Snowflake Thread: Dave Brandon

Submitted by htownwolverine on
Many of us, myself included, think Dave has a lot of blame in this debacle of a coaching staff. Is he going to do what needs to be done if his coach won't at year end?
Am I off base?
Thoughts, suggestions?

white_pony_rocks

November 9th, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^

Dave Brandon is an ex CEO, he is a business man before he is a michigan man.  He understands that Michigan needs a Michigan man so they athletic department could make more money.  He also understands that Michigan will bring more money in winning than losing.  I'm pretty sure he won't just sit by and do nothing, money is on the line.

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white_pony_rocks

November 9th, 2013 at 7:21 PM ^

Dave Brandon is an ex CEO, he is a business man before he is a michigan man.  He understands that Michigan needs a Michigan man so they athletic department could make more money.  He also understands that Michigan will bring more money in winning than losing.  I'm pretty sure he won't just sit by and do nothing, money is on the line.

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erald01

November 9th, 2013 at 7:17 PM ^

At the end of the day DB is there to raise money for the school and most importantly athletic deapartment so if shit hits the fan where high paying boosters stop paying or people stop showing up to the games, you sure as hell will have DB say something to Brady Joke

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Coldwater

November 9th, 2013 at 7:18 PM ^

DB will watch the game film with the coaches tomorrow. As he is known to do..how very Jerry Jones of him.
Is DB expecting explanations from coaches as to what the hell is going on? Why does he feel he needs to intrude and watch film with coaches?

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Thomas Sulliva…

November 9th, 2013 at 7:19 PM ^

We have so many resources as an athletic department and as a university, yet we refuse to invest in the most important component of our most visible program -- head football coach. We play it cheap. We show no willingness to invest the money that it takes to run with the top tier programs. We had a chance to moneywhip Harbaugh, and we didn't. Now, we're stuck with a CEO coach without any discernible expertise. I emailed Dave Brandon to let him know that I will not set foot in Michigan Stadium again until our willingness to invest in the product is equal to Ohio State's. Otherwise, we will continue to be mediocre. I will not be paying Wolfgang Puck prices for Domino's Pizza.

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kscurrie2

November 9th, 2013 at 9:26 PM ^

I said the same thing last week after the MSU game. We don't have to take this. Stop financially supporting this mediocrity. Hit db in the pocket. I will not buy any tickets until the coaching staff matches the facilities. As long as we keep buying tickets, things will not change. STOP BUYING TICKETS!!

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Coldwater

November 9th, 2013 at 7:26 PM ^

I will not spend a cent on Michigan Athletics from here on out. I'm never going to a game. Never buying apparel, never pay for parking, no books, no consessions.

The only thing I still may do, is go to the Spring Game. It costs the gas money to drive 1.5 hours there. And I'll pack a lunch.

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cp4three2

November 9th, 2013 at 7:34 PM ^

Hired because of who he was not what he'd done. Had one surprising season, but never won anything. Solid recruiter, terrible Xs and Os guy. 

 

Michigan football has been replaced by Michigan basketball. 

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blueschool

November 9th, 2013 at 7:48 PM ^

Ok long shot here...if M can put up the funds to outbid texas, would Saban coach here? Stephen Ross and Saban have a relationship (I.e. Possible endowment). Saban has mentioned multiple times he is interested in coaching for the program that pays him the most...

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Perkis-Size Me

November 9th, 2013 at 8:06 PM ^

Saban will never come here. I doubt he'd even go to Texas. Why leave the country's most dominant conference, where you have built that conference's most dominant program, for a program in a shit conference that you'd have to completely rebuild?

Not that Saban would have any difficulty building an elite program here, but if it was just about money, whatever we or Texas would be willing to pay him, Bama would match and then some. Football is all that school has, and they're going to do whatever they have to in order to keep Saban in Tuscaloosa until he decides to retire.

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UnkleBuck

November 9th, 2013 at 7:58 PM ^

We are stuck with Hoke for probably 2 more years.  Mediocrity will continue, and this 16 year season ticket holder paying hefty PSD's will throw in the towel and become a non-PSD paying StubHub junkie

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ChicagoBigHouse

November 10th, 2013 at 9:35 AM ^

Interesting. I'm in my third year of season tickets and am going to the most games this year since graduation (four). Friday I re upped my PSD along with a, what I would call significant, non PSD donation. It is a loss considering the cost and I could just pick two games on stubhub and come out way ahead.

Last night, while talking to a fellow alum, I wished I hadn't renewed. But, I'm giving it another year. Maybe you guys will too. We need good fans in the stands regardless of the teams recent lack of success.

I would say that there is no way I'll buy away tickets considering how the team looks on the road. Until we get to the big ten championship of course.

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Mr. Carson

November 9th, 2013 at 7:59 PM ^

Hoke does not deserve to be fired for one bad season, especially not when his recruits are RS Freshman.  I get that people are mad, but this is crazy talk.  Borges on the other hand...

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cp4three2

November 9th, 2013 at 8:25 PM ^

His best season came against a schedule with one win against a ranked team (Nebraska who ended unranked) and a lucky win in the Sugar Bowl (that we went to because of our commercial pull, not our season). 

 

Last year was average. This year is bad and was a yard against Akron from being a debacle.  

 

0 road wins ranked teams in his career. 0 Tds against MSU in two years (two tds scored in three seasons against MSU total). The only thing that's saving him is the potential recruiting class this year. 

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jmblue

November 9th, 2013 at 9:01 PM ^

0 Tds against MSU in two years (two tds scored in three seasons against MSU total).

I know you're searching for negatives, but this one is silly. We beat them last year. If you win, it doesn't matter how you score.  As for the Sugar Bowl, hey, we were 10-2. I won't apologize for getting that bid. We deserved it as much as anyone else.

Yes, the recruiting will save him, and it should. Recruiting is the lifeblood of any program.  Right now, this is not a particularly talented Michigan team, but that should change.  I think it's possible that some guys may need different position coaches to reach their potential, but Hoke's a big reason why they're here in the first place.

 

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cp4three2

November 9th, 2013 at 9:44 PM ^

We beat barely beat them in a year where they went 7-6 and we didn't score a TD. We barely beat an bad OSU team as well.  Not scoring a TD against MSU isn't "searching for a negative" it's a sign of being outcoached by your rival for three seasons in a row (much like Charlie Weis's magical win against us when Henne fumbled away the game on the goaline). 

 

I went to the Sugar Bowl and was pumped about it, but you have to admit that we definitely did not deserve to be there. Boise for sure belonged over us. Baylor was ranked higher than us and had the Heisman winner. We got to go because the SEC was only allowed 2 teams and because Michigan has a huge fan base. We had one ranked win all year. We had 8 road wins and two road wins against losing teams (Northwestern and Illinois).

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robpollard

November 9th, 2013 at 11:14 PM ^

"This is not a particularly talented Michigan team.." And Nebraska, with its freshman QB, backup OG's, etc is loaded with NFL talent? And PSU? And UConn? Etc.

UM---right now---has more talent than Nebraska. They still could not get any yards rushing. Their OC could not figure that out and pass the ball pretty much every down. They still could not get a stop in the 4th quarter. At home.

Hoke's UM teams have gotten worse every year, and looking at next year's team, I don't see how it will be much different than 2013.

I still think Hoke should get a 4th year, as firing coaches every three years is beyond dumb, and Hoke seems to be recruiting well, but things are in serious trouble right now. Best case scenario (which I'm rooting for) is we win 7-8 games this year, the same next year (but with fewer "Wow -- that was completely awful" games) and it starts to really turn around in 2015, but even THAT won't excuse the blah/tire fires of 2012, 2013 and (hopefully not, but realistically) 2014.

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cp4three2

November 9th, 2013 at 11:29 PM ^

In his career Hoke has one upset, maybe, against Air Force. The guy's coached 10 seasons, he's competed for a conference championship once. We like him because he likes Michigan the way we do. That doesn't mean he's a great coach. There's almost no evidence that he's a great coach. He had one good season at Ball State in which he got smoked in the MAC championship (and finished unranked) and a season where he played one ranked team at home and one in a bowl finished 11-2.

 

He's a good recruiter. Basically, he's been saved by Brandon talking Mattison into coming to Ann Arbor and Denard clearly being better than we gave him credit for.

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