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- Where stuff was manufactured.
- The quality of the stuff manufactured.
- Shelton is suspended for the year.
- Walker is on the team, but has some challenges apparently.
- Ahmir Mitchell transferred out, apparently due to some very poor decision making.
- LTT was charged with 3 felonies last year.
- Gibbons left under a cloud.
- Lewan apparently made poor decisions.
- Glasgow got in trouble drinking and ended up living with grandma.
- Malzone and fake ID.
- I mentioned prayer, without stipulating anything about who to pray to.
- I left open the option of happy thoughts and well wishes.
- I actually mentioned prayer in the Subject line so that those not inclined could skip right over the post.
- As you mention, I have made my position known in the past . . . don't click on a post of mine if you don't like what I have to say.
- In the thread above, I mentioned that in my more than eight years on the board, I have never requested prayer. Not ever. Not once, twice, thrice, never.
- As mentioned above in the thread, this is a father concerned for a daughter. No more and no more less. I actually prefaced my post with "this is a personal request." If you reflect on it, why should anyone (other than myself, my wife, relatives, close friends, etc.) care about my daughter? I get that. In retrospect, maybe I don't put the thread up. I guess when you see Iranian Patrol boats closing on a destroyer, and you hear from your kid about the stress involved, I'm inclined to pray.
- This happens to be the ONLY online community I participate in. I don't go to any political websites, or religious websites, or general alumni websites. Obviously, I have "real life" communities. But I didn't feel it would be out of line for me to share with my one online community. The reality is that there are plenty here who DO pray.
- Pray, or don't pray, as you see fit. I don't want anyone to feel constrained or manipulated into praying (or thinking happy thoughts). Go ahead and don't pray, and think crabby thoughts. Or pray and think happy thoughts. The choice is yours, and yours alone.
- I do think specific prayers are a good thing. I mean, it is great to pray for world peace, or for everyone. But in one sense, when you pray for everyone, you pray for no one.
- Ultimately, this post was selfish. I think of my daughter often. I'm very proud of her, and if I was 35 years younger, I'd be sorely tempted to follow in her footsteps. I think any Dad who sees their children in possible danger prays for their safety. But yes, this is a specific request for a specific thing. FTR, in the 8 years and 6 weeks I've been on MGoBlog, I've never requested prayer. I simply thought it was a request that might resonate with a few readers.
- Campus. I feel that a university campus is the perfect place to have debate. That kind of was the premise of the OP. I feel that a campus is the place to be exposed to different views, and to move out of your comfort zone.
- The other place I disagree is with one specific subset of the population. That subset? Those who claim to be "open-minded," but in reality, are very closed-minded to those with whom they disagree. This is almost a meme. There is this idea in the academy, imhe, that they are open, and liberal, and generous in spirit. But the reality is that they share a perspective found in the majority of the academy, and are extremely narrow-minded. I kinda have this itch to point out their close-minded perspective. Their viewpoint matters less to me than their pompous attitude.
- I have family in Evanston, and in their circles, they literally can't conceive of anyone in their right mind taking a different political position than all their friends.
- One sister-in-law is an art professor, another a clinical psychiatrist in Manhattan. They likely travel in somewhat predictable circles.
- Conversely, as a pastor of a church, I see members who are predictably closeminded to positions other than the ones they've already predetermined. It is (mostly) pointless to have any debate.
|9 hours 50 min ago||Doesn't matter where it was made||
Doesn't matter where it was made. Two things are being conflated here:
The quality of the fabric, and the craftsmanship of the tailoring/sewing, is what is important. You can buy crap made in the USA and crap made elsewhere. Likewise, there are high quality items made both here and abroad.
I'm old enough to remember when "Made in Japan" was a sign of shoddy workmanship. This was true in the 50's, and even into the 60's. But they caught up. Eventually, there was a time when automobiles with Japanese nameplates were seen as being of better quality than those made by GM, Ford, or Chrysler (let alone AMC).
I will gladly pay a bit more for an American made item, to support workers in the USA. But I won't pay a lot more for something that is of comparable or worse quality.
|14 hours 53 min ago||Washtenaw Dairy and Stucchi's both good||
Both Washtenaw Dairy and Stucchi's are good. But if it is a nice day, I think you'd be better off going to either Maize and Blue Deli, or to Zingerman's. I won't debate between the two, because I think they're both good. But get some real food, and enjoy sitting there with your family. Especially if you're leaving at the beginning of the 4th quarter.
|15 hours 40 sec ago||Veterinary program?||
Tell your daughter to get a great education undergrad at Michigan. After that, if your grades are good enough, go to whatever vet program accepts you. (At one time, my daughter was interested in being a vet as well . . . admissions counselors at Michigan graciously told her that she'd be better off with her interests at a different school, whether that be MSU, Illinois, or OSU.)
|17 hours 37 min ago||Guilty as charged||
Yeah, I definitely have been a homer. But like I said, it is great to see a half dozen Michigan guys listed.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Actually, no objection here||
Actually, no objection here. Please, talk about the Bible and post photos of attractive women. I would welcome either. In fact, I'm smiling contemplating this. And iirc, Brian has no problems with pictures of Scarlett Johansson in particular. Plus pics of noted Michigan fan Gisselle Bundchen and Kate Upton are always welcome.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Uh oh||
Uh oh. Mentioning the Bible . . . he's gonna be on Bando's list and a bunch of others at MGoBlog. With saying that kind of stuff, ship him out to the SEC. Doesn't fit at Michigan. /s
|1 day 15 hours ago||Happens everywhere||
I wouldn't throw rocks.
And those are only the situations I remember or know about. I'm sure there are plenty more. With a few exceptions in the above list, you learn from your mistakes. With those exceptions, you really need to be released from the program.
I love Michigan, and hate OSU, but I think it is ludicrous to suggest that in some way, Michigan players are morally "better" than OSU athletes.
|1 day 19 hours ago||You forgot something||
You forgot something. To tag your thread with "/s." I thought it was blatantly obvious, but some guys missed that. Of course, we're all sick and tired of that discussion on RR. Your thread was a great reminder that we've moved on.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Oldie?||
Oldie? Didn't that come less than a year ago? The time frame for "oldie" has compressed significantly.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Was pretty specific||
There are a number of reasons why I disagree with you.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Looks interesting||
It looks interesting. Rotten Tomatoes has it in the positive, although there are mixed reviews. I think I will see it for myself. Thanks for the heads up.
|4 days 5 hours ago||It was wonderful||
It was wonderful . . . I watched two games tonight. There is nothing like the joy and life of an opening High School game. (My son's school is predicted to win the 7A championship in Illinois this year). Just a glorious night. Enjoyed the football. Love Michigan football, but from kids football to HS to college, it all is good.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Wow||
I guess I didn't know that. Many of the teachers at my wife's school are making somewhere between 60 and 100k. Look at the military salary grid . . . enlisted are a bit less. My daughter, for instance, is around 27k. I didn't realize that teachers were in danger in the same way.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Thanks||
Thanks for your kind words. I spent a day at sea on her ship at high speed, and it was pretty amazing. They fired off the 5" gun, and got to see what was involved in all the ballistic missiles and the radar system.
Having said that, small fiberglass patrol boats now traveling at speeds up to 85 mph, working together and closing on a ship in a serpentine pattern, in a somewhat confined area, are extremely dangerous. They don't pick up on radar very well, they can close very quickly when you're only a couple miles offshore, and a single boat loaded with 500 pounds of high explosives getting through is enough to take out a destroyer. Actually, Star Wars is a reasonable analogy. A very powerful vessel (Death Star, Destroyer,) is somewhat vulnerable to waves of unconventional attack. In the case of the Destroyer, they decidedly do NOT want to fire on any patrolboats.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Really agree with you on several points||
I don't think "every game must include a thank-a-veteran moment, frequent uses of camo and flag imagery in uniforms and sideline apparel, etc."
I think thanking teachers and doctors and community organizers and leaders is a good thing. Doesn't need to only be the military.
Having said that, there are sacrifices made in the military that aren't often made by others mentioned above (deliberately being in a different world, different culture, working 24/7, low pay, sometimes having your life deliberately in danger).
In some ways, I would love to see compulsory national service, whether teaching, doing community service, construction, medical services, serving in the military. If almost every high school grad had a gap year where they served others in some way, it could be an incredible thing. However, this is definitely heading in the area of political discussion, so I will pull it back.
|4 days 15 hours ago||You are correct||
1johnb, you are correct (about the 20k on the ground). And as I made clear, I consider them in much more danger than my daughter. But I think of and support all of them.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Foreign policy there is a huge mess||
Foreign policy there is a huge mess. The US has made many, many missteps and mistakes for many years. There are no easy answers or solutions. The most I'll say is think of the soldiers and airmen and sailors who are deployed and serving in that arena. They are very far away from making any kind of policy decisions, but are the ones in harms way.
|4 days 15 hours ago||That'd be good||
That'd be good. (Praying for everyone, or praying for world peace). Three comments.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Well, I struck a nerve||
Well, I struck a nerve. I was pretty explicit in requesting prayer (or happy thoughts, or well wishes) on behalf of troops serving. I intentionally wasn't asking anything regarding America, or American foreign policy. I think debate on foreign policy is a good thing. And I don't think it is nearly as simple or black and white as it is often made out to be.
I will say that I was pretty happy to hear of my daughter's ship rescuing another ship overcrowded with refugees, who quite possibly would have died without their intervention. My daughter and I never talk about foreign policy, or whether or not her ship or the entire Carrier Group should be in the Persian Gulf. That is a policy decision way, way beyond her paygrade, and any wisdom I have.
The most I'll say is that the situation throughout the Middle East is horribly complicated and I really think there aren't any simple answers. I have spoken at length with a former Palestinian terrorist, and with another immigrant last year from Syria who is a recent convert from Islam. In the last couple years, he lost most of his personal property. When I asked both of them about some of the issues in the Middle East, and asked a particular question on Syria, the answer was, "all the choices are bad. The question is, what is the least bad choice?"
|4 days 16 hours ago||I can respect that||
I can respect that. Which is why I suggested that those who don't pray can think happy thoughts or wish them well. The last thing I want to do is have debate on prayer. Regardless of religious beliefs, I think most of us can be supportive of our troops?
|4 days 16 hours ago||I'd largely agree with you||
I'd largely agree with you. It is simply that personally, I think of my daughter. But God's perspective is infinitely more global and vast than mine (in terms of praying for all people).
|4 days 18 hours ago||You're most welcome||
You're most welcome. I appreciate your engaging in civil dialogue and questions and banter. I think one of the hardest things for me to deal with is when individuals have made very strong pre-judgements, and won't even have discussion. By virtue of my beliefs, I am labeled an intolerant, unthinking bigot. To use an analogy, not every Muslim is an ISIS sympathizer. And not every Christian is in the place of Westboro Baptist church, to use a fairly wellknown example.
|5 days 12 hours ago||Yep||
Yep, 3 disagree. It obviously doesn't matter for points. And I am too old to care about "likes." But I want to call out meanjoe. What's up with the (meaningless) downvote? Except, he's just going to make some witty or cute koala response.
|5 days 12 hours ago||Ok, I'll take the bait||
PrincetonBlue, I'll take the bait. I somewhat agree with you. It is ok to give safe spaces to those who don't want to be confronted. My father, who turned 90 this month, is kind of in this category. He still has a good mind, but his mind is pretty made up about most things. He isn't particularly open to ideas with which he disagrees. I mean, he tolerates them, doesn't feel the need to fight them. He is not hostile, or angry, or argumentative, or crabby. He's a pretty happy guy. But his mind is made up. There's really no point in confronting him about (most) of his views. Dad shares a two-flat with one of my sisters in Skevanston. My other sister lives a mile away. Her husband is Jewish, she works for the Art Institute, and they are pretty open-minded and liberal. They are in a very different place than Dad. But my sister recognizes that there is almost no good reason to debate Dad, to bait Dad, to argue with Dad. She isn't going to change him. So why fight? I am completely ok with that. My father was very good friends with my sister's father-in-law. Her father-in-law was a secular, liberal Jew. They had wonderful discussions and debates, but they recognized they probably weren't going to change each other's views.
Here's where I disagree with you.
|5 days 12 hours ago||That's a great point||
You are right. There is a legitimate misuse of micro-agression in discussion. And I completely agree that in certain contexts, there should be "safe spaces." In having debate and discussion, an awareness of "microagressions" is helpful. I think the point of the letter from the dean of students is that when these concepts are used as cover to shut down (or not even allow) for legitimate debate, something has gone wrong.
I travel in enough different circles that I can see how individuals are too often in silos, and never have the opportunity (or sometimes the interest) in engaging with others coming from a different position. Here are a few examples:
In these simple examples from my personal life, you have people at vastly different places on the political spectrum. The one thing that they have in common regardless of where they stand? An inability to have reasoned dialogue and discussion with those with whom they disagree. That is what I cherish in an environment like UofM.
|5 days 12 hours ago||Fully agree||
I fully agree with you about this site. Debate football (O'Korn vs. Speight, what is the weak spot on the team, why did we have three decommitments). This isn't the place for debate or discussion on gender identity, same sex marriage, transgender washroom access, the presidential election.
Actually, I kind of think almost none of those issues work well ANYWHERE on the Internet. No matter the political position, I always mildly shake my head when someone posts something on any of those issues at facebook or the like. I don't think it ever ends well. I am sometimes asked who I endorse. And I don't think I've EVER endorsed a political candidate, or shared with others how I am going to vote. Not even my kids. I might make an exception this year and vote for no one, and share that privately. (Now I'm really asking for a ticket to Bolivia).
|5 days 13 hours ago||Very well put||
Sopwith, I completely agree with you. I think there is more of a need for people to stand up for what they believe in, even when you have to use up your social capital in the process.
As a pastor, I stand in a place and hold some positions that are offensive to many people (including quite a few on this board). Mgoblog isn't the place for me to debate religion, and I don't. This place is an escape for me. (A safe space?) However, in my position as a pastor I am going to alienate some people. I am not going to be popular with some people. I am going to be rejected by some people. If, in the goal of being socially accepted, I avoid speaking out on what I believe, I have lost legitimacy. If I'm not willing to take some hits because of what I do and what I say, do I have anything important to say? I mean, even my own book says the same thing. Jesus said, "If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." He said, "Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven."
In other words, I personally hold views that have a social cost. If I hide my views so I don't have to pay that social cost, then I really don't have much in the way of conviction on those views.
I recognize that my own views are increasingly held in low regard in society. And I'm ok with that. It goes with the territory. However, in a country founded on principles of freedom of expression and belief, I am concerned when marginalized positions are not even able to be part of the discussion.
|5 days 13 hours ago||That's fair||
That's fair. Thanks for your response. I wonder, living in the Chicago area, how much of the letter was really addressed to the academy in Northern Illinois, especially in light of the DePaul situation. I suppose for students coming from around the country without the local context, it might seem pretty heavy handed. I do think that at least in metro-Chicago, there is a concern (at least publicly) to allow for debate from different areas of the spectrum. There definitely is the meta issue of who controls and sets the parameters for the debate? Who are the puppetmasters deciding what is legitimate debate? But I still think having some discussion on the whole topic is worthwhile.
|5 days 14 hours ago||Shut down conservative speakers||
Twice in the last year, DePaul "uninvited" conservative speakers. To be fair, I think both were provocateurs. DePaul claimed that they couldn't adequately provide security, etc., etc. The problem was that there were students and others who loudly protested, claiming that to have such speakers on campus was violating a safe space for students, and offensive, and aggressive, and wrong, and that they weren't welcome. The issue wasn't the position of the speakers. The issue was that the campus, ostensibly "open-minded," was very close-minded to having conservatives speak. This has been very troubling for a number of thinking liberals. IIRC, Trib columnist Eric Zorn (a Michigan grad and probably on mgoblog) bemoaned the cancellation, basically because of the power of the protestors. The protestors "won," but at the expense of stifling free speech (albeit offensive speech).
|5 days 14 hours ago||You know, I fully agree with you||
maizenbluedevil, that is well put. I, of course, was preemptively stating that this has nothing to do with the position of the Democratic or Republican or Libertarian parties. I wasn't either for or against Trump or Hillary. But you are completely correct in the big picture. And yes, I am concerned about the community at large, and discourse in our country. Rather, I'm concerned about the lack of intelligent discussion and discourse. I am dismayed at the lack of ability to passionately discuss and consider positions other than those you already hold.
I get together with about 10 guys from UofM for a weekend every Fall, usually somewhere on Lake Michigan. We play euchre or hearts, go for walks on the beach, cook and eat good food, watch the game, maybe pick some apples or grapes or go for a bike ride. (The only thing that's changed much as the years have gone by is that we drink much less beer, more wine, and not much of either). But the reason for getting together is to be with good friends you can talk with, debate with, discuss with. That is the high point for me. Whether it is about economics, religion, politics, elections, foreign policy, parenting, transgender issues, etc., etc., etc., we are able to have hearty discussion and still walk away friends. It pains me that this is something that happens for me in very few other contexts.