What would it take - QB

Submitted by blue in dc on July 23rd, 2021 at 8:18 PM

About a week ago, I posted to start a discussion on the offensive line.   That seemed well received so here is a second on quarterback.    I think there is general agreement that the two biggest question marks on offense are: 1) Will we have a quarterback step up; and 2) will the coaches also step up in game planning/playcalling etc.    This post takes on the first question.   I think about that question in two parts.   The first is, “what does it mean to step up?” and the second is how realistic is it to assume that someone will in fact step up.

There are at least 3 teams (Indiana, Wisconsin and Ohio State), who have a very real chance to score 40+ points on us.   That means that if we don’t have a quarterback who can leas the team to more than 40 points a game, we are capping our potential at no greater than 9-3.   To me, stepping up means putting the team in the position to be in every game.   Obviously this isn’t all on the qb, but having good enough players at wide receiver, running back and offensive line, as well as a coaching staff willing to take advantage of those pieces, means nothing if the qb can’t take advantage.   

This means we need more than a game manager.   We need a quarterback who brings at least four things to the table.   First, they recognize the plays that are there.   They make the correct calls and don’t throw to a double teamed receiver when someone else is wide open.   Second, they complete the throws that are there.   Between 2018 and 2019, Shea Patterson increased his total yards by over 400 yards from 2600 to 3061.   Unfortunately at the same time, his completion percentage fell from 65% to 56%.    In 2019, twenty three college quarterbacks had completion percentages of 65% or better.   Third, they can’t make too many mistakes.   A quarterback who can do all of that might get us to 8 or 9 wins, but they probably are not going to get us to 10+.    For that, we need a quarterback who brings something more.   For instance, they need to not just make completions, they need to put there team mates in position to make plays.   They need to throw it when and where their teammates can get yards after the catch.   If not that, they need to be able to extend (and then actually make) plays when their protection breaks down.   Other skills they could bring could be an ability to run the read option very well, or to consistently make those deep throws.   The first three skills can make a good quarterback, but to move to that next level, they will need to bring more.

What makes me hopeful is that I think we have at least two quarterbacks who have the tools to be at least good quarterbacks this year.   The question is, do either  of them have the potential to be more than that.  

Cade McNamara, the current leader for the starting role was a 4 star, ranked as the 7th best qb overall and the 268th player overall.   (Rankings are from 247 composite).

With regards to my first criteria, can he make the right play there is some very positive evidence.   In his hello post, his football smarts were emphasized.  “He shows a great understanding of offensive concepts and can recognize defenses at the line of scrimmage”.   One of the things that Brian noted in his Rutgers UFR is that McNamara was much better at making reads than Milton.  “Milton got filed for zero RPOs, zero zone reads, and zero screens in this game. McNamara had six screens, four RPOs, and three zone reads. I may have missed something here or there but I mean… one of these had speed in space elements and the other absolutely did not.”  Matt Weiss also noted "You can say he's not enough of this or not enough of that, but at the end of the day, he's really smart. He makes great decisions. He processes things very fast, and his accuracy and arm strength are more than enough to win with."
With regards to accuracy, the positive is that he threw for 75% against Rutgers.   The question marks are, it was Rutgers and his best season percentage completion in high school was 62.8% in high school.   He also does not appear to make many mistakes.   He had 5 TDs to no interceptions last year, and for his high school career, he had 146 TDs against 35 interceptions.   Dropping his freshman year in HS, it becomes 129 TDs vs 25 interceptions.

A 60% to 65% completion ratio with a good touchdown to interception ratio doesn’t seem like an unrealistic expectation, but does he bring anything extra that makes you think he can lead us to 40+ points against Ohio State and Wisconsin?  One of the strengths in addition to feel for the game/football smarts is his ability to throw under pressure.   He is praised for his ability to throw on the move, get rid of the ball quickly and to stand in and make a throw while getting hit.   If you go back and look at the Rutgers game, he showed all of those abilities.   The only question is, can he do it against a better defense.  What are the big question marks? First, can he run?   For a guy who seems to thrive on scrambling, there is very little evidence to suggest he is going to be much of a runner.   Arm strength.   These are some of the things analysts had to say about him:

“good decision maker out of the gun … accurate passer who is able to fit the ball into tight windows… poised and confident … touch and timing. Changes ball speeds nicely. …Marginal height and strength. Not sure he has elite arm power."

" …moxie …competitive edge …not going to wow you with mind-boggling athleticism or arm strength but he's not going to make mistakes. … heady, skilled quarterback"

His biggest competition is 5 star freshman J.J. McCarthy.   We’ll start with his qb coaches Fred Jacksonesque description: "McCarthy reminds me of a guy that throws like (Drew) Brees but moves around like Baker (Mayfield).”   It sounds like an exaggeration, then you read his sophomore year stats: 3448 yards with a 76% completion percentage and 39 TDs to just 4 interceptions.   His completion percentage took a hit his senior year at IMG falling to 57%, but he had zero interceptions to 16 touchdowns and led IMG to an 8-0 record and a mythical national high school title.

Unlike McNamara, there are no questions about his arm strength or athleticism.

“great frame, big hands and is a plus athlete and really can make every single throw that a QB needs to make. He was able to place the ball in small windows, throw with a lot of velocity and also put great touch on the deep …[threw] marvelous passes consistently despite frigid temperatures and untimely winds. …delivers smooth passes with zip and touch, depending on the throw. He's got plenty of arm strength to make accurate throws and his ball placement is uncanny -- on both short throws and downfield.

The two questions are, 1) Is he ready to start at the college level and 2) If he is, are his skills and athleticism superior enough to Cade’s that he can overcome Cade’s three years in the system.

Our third qb option is Alan Bowman.   By far the most experienced of our quarterbacks, Bowman has 19 starts and has thrown for over 5000 yards.   He has a career 67% completion rate.  He is also a bit more mistake prone with 33 TDs to 17 interceptions.  He is also not a threat to run with -9 yards in 46 attempts.   He is going to have significant catching up to do, but so e are very high on him.

“he can be a truly elite quarterback in the right scenario. Now, I’m not sure Michigan runs an offense that compliments Alan’s talents but the kid at his best is as good as any signal caller. If he gets back to form, I’m not kidding when I say he’s good enough to help Michigan challenge Ohio State.”

While some think he may be the answer because of his experience, he hasn’t played well against good teams.

“In all Power 5 games, he’s been just a 62.6% passer.  Meanwhile, against other teams, he’s completed 75.3% of his passes.  Taking it even further, Bowman has a TD: INT ratio in Power 5 games of just 4:3.  That is 16 TDs and 12 picks.”

I came into this putting this piece together thinking we had three guys with a legitimate chance to be a very good starter this year.   While I believed it unlikely that all three would hit,I thought chances were good that at least one would be a hit.

When I finished, I decided we only had two, but they each had a better chance of being very good this year than I thought.   Try as I might, I could not find anything to excite me about Bowman.

McNamara and McCarthy are a different.   McNamara seems like a much less flawed Shea Paterson. He may have similar physical tools, but he appears to have a much better feel for the game, makes better decisions and gets the ball out quicker.   We will have to see McCarthy against a college offense, but he shows both arm strength and touch.  I think McNamara can keep us in the game against anyone not named Ohio State and if McCarthy is good enough to beat him out, who knows what happens,

 

 

schreibee

July 24th, 2021 at 2:19 PM ^

Could not disagree more about the importance of OL play!

We've been through multiple OCs since last beating osu, and the one constant through every scheme change is not blocking the plays called well enough. 

Hopefully we have the coach/crooter we need to change that now! If so, any play called will look & work better...

MGoStrength

July 24th, 2021 at 4:52 PM ^

We've been through multiple OCs since last beating osu, and the one constant through every scheme change is not blocking the plays called well enough. 

There were a ton of guys in the '12 & '13 classes that didn't pan out like Kalis, Kugler, Dawson, Bosch, etc.  That was a problem.  Then there was a bit of a hole with recruiting the o-line for several years.  Now, we're waiting for our next crop of guys in '19 class to develop.  You'd think guys going into year 3 would be ready that were top 200 recruits like Trente Jones & Nolan Rumler.  Trevor Keegan & Karsen Barnhart seem to be ahead of them even though the former guys were ranked a little better as recruits.  Filiaga is turning into a bit of a disappointment for a borderline top 100 recruit.   

But as usual, UM needs their best recruits to be their best players.  Too often that's not happening.  Their highest rated recruit o-lineman in 2012 was Kalis.  In 2013 it was Kugler.  Neither panned out to be our best o-lineman at any point.  We won't even get into Derek Green, Shane Morris, and Ondre Pipkins being the other top recruits from those classes that flamed out, but that trend is the problem.  Fast forward to today and now Keegan & Barnhart seem to be developing faster than Jones & Rumler who were higher ranked recruits.  We just don't seem to have a great hit rate on our top recruits for whatever reason post-Carr.

 

bsand2053

July 23rd, 2021 at 8:34 PM ^

If Cade actually keeps when the end crashes down and can get the ball in the general vicinity of his receivers he’ll be a game charger, at least in comparison to senior year Shea

Blue@LSU

July 23rd, 2021 at 11:12 PM ^

I like these posts. Thanks for making them.

This was a pretty good breakdown of McNamara vs Milton in the Rutgers game. Showed Cade making some good reads, but a missed pull on one play (if it was truly a read) was pretty mind-boggling. Nonetheless gave me some hope that Cade can run the offense beyond Rutgers-level opponents.

blueheron

July 23rd, 2021 at 8:38 PM ^

It's early, we don't have much data, and the ghost of Schembechler still haunts the program, but I really like McNamara's feel for the game. His ceiling is limited but he seems to make good decisions under fire. When did we last see someone like that behind center?

MGoStrength

July 24th, 2021 at 6:15 PM ^

His ceiling is limited but he seems to make good decisions under fire.

Personally I'll take a guy who's ceiling is limited who knows how to play, make the right read, and make accurate throws over a guy with more arm talent or athleticism who's lack of consistency prevents the offense from putting together drives. I'll take UMs version of Barrett or McSorely with a 150 or 160 QB rating any day at this point.. We've missed on so many guys with better talent like Morris, Peters, etc. I'm ready for consistency! 

GoBlue419

July 23rd, 2021 at 8:43 PM ^

I appreciate the effort. But this is kind've a pointless post. Michigan needs a QB that plays at a consistently high to elite level. Nothing else needs to be said, really.

blue in dc

July 23rd, 2021 at 8:53 PM ^

Isn’t that the question?   Is Cade McNamara, J.J. McCarthy or Alan Bowman ready to be that quarterback?

I think McNamara could be good enough to play at a consistently high level thus year..   He probably doesn’t have the physical tools to be elite.

McCarthy has the tools to be eliite, but almost certainly not this year - could he have a Chad Henne freshman year?   Maybe.   Could he be elite next year.  Maybe,

Alan Bowman - highly doubt it.

Wings Of Distinction

July 23rd, 2021 at 11:16 PM ^

Well said.

Bowman regressed and was demoted. At Texas Tech. So while he may have some numbers in a pass happy offense, I'd still err on the side of finally sticking with and developing our own recruits for once.

Cade showed poise, accuracy, touch, and awareness. He has earned the chance to prove he's gotten even better with another year of growth and experience.

If J.J. steps up, then Bowman is a nice 3rd string option.

Go Blue.

Panther72

July 25th, 2021 at 7:51 PM ^

I re watched Rutgers and PSU  games to break in my sons 10 ft home theater. Michigan D was blown up by PSU Ol. It was miserable to watch. Cade had a hurt arm and that was the big difference in his performance in both games.  But the D was weak in both games. 
I like Cade to carry the O production while JJ grows into the system

UM Indy

July 23rd, 2021 at 9:25 PM ^

When discussing QBs, especially Michigan QBs, we have to include injuries in the equation. I’m probably paranoid or hypersensitive or some other word denoting psychological damage, but it seems like our QBs get injured more than others. So … McNamara might be great but if he gets injured we’re probably in the position of playing a true freshman and, regardless of how talented he is, we know how that goes. Would love it if a QB with some experience plays well for us for an entire season! Literally forgot what that’s like. 

borninAnnArbor

July 23rd, 2021 at 9:39 PM ^

I think one important aspect of the Michigan offense is how many drives will they get a game.  We've seen before how an opponent can milk the clock with persistent first downs.  When Michigan finally gets the ball back they press too hard and make mistakes, or they are too often placed in obvious passing situations.  

rob f

July 24th, 2021 at 10:01 AM ^

I do, though not always immediately. Sometimes it's because of mod duties but not always.  But in the end I do understand your point.

On days or weeks that the board is slow or when there's nothing controversial going on, I usually try to keep up with the diary discussions; OTOH, on days like the last few when threads are sliding off the first page quickly (CFB realignment and hockey draft  plus the normal seasonal bump), diaries take a back seat to the board and front page for me.

And to be honest, I was that way with my reading habits here even before becoming a mod last year.

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Good job on the OP, blue in dc. Diary-worthy content in my opinion too.

blue in dc

July 24th, 2021 at 6:36 PM ^

Thanks Rob.    It has given me a greater appreciation for the job that Seth and others do in continually churning out high quality content.   Even doing it occasionally and with nowhere near the quality, it is hard.   That having been said, I think it will make me a more thoughtful fan and mgoblog commenter.

It helps remind me of what I like about having a college team I care about.   It is definitely easier to root for a team that wins, but for me, part of the fun of being a fan is being invested in both the team’s success, but also the success of individual players.

I doubt that I will get through finishing half of the posts that I have invested time in creating, but even without as much mgoblog content and eagerly awaiting Hail To The Victors, I feel like I know more about this team and am more invested in a number of individual players than I have in the past.

Frankly, despite some of the acrimony on the blog, I also feel more invested in the mgoblog community.  I am hopeful that this is a season more of us can get excited about.

KentuckianaWolverine

July 24th, 2021 at 12:39 AM ^

I keep saying this, but I think McNamara is very similar to Penn State's former QB Trace McSorley.  They have similar builds, physical tools, style of play, and "moxie".  Hell....they even share the Mc at the beginning of their last names.  Lol

Trace was a "gamer", and I think McNamara is as well.

Guess who happened to be on that offensive staff when McSorley was at Penn State?  The same someone who was being mentored by Joe Moorehead.  Yep....Josh Gattis.

I think Gattis will know how to utilize McNamara, because he's seen a guy just like him, up close.

Hopefully, McNamara can be as productive as McSorley was.....but I think he will.

Golden section

July 24th, 2021 at 11:58 AM ^

Trace McSorley was a dual threat, even a run first guy. He also had Saquon Barkley as his RPO option and rolled up a lot of rushing yards, nearly 800, a 4.7 ave. on 360 attempts in his final year. The same year his completion % was 53.

Cade's legs aren't close to McSorley's but his arm isn't either. Hopefully it's significantly better, because he won't be starting with those passing stats.

While I question the style of play being similar, I get the smaller guy with a big heart comparison.

trustBlue

July 23rd, 2021 at 10:19 PM ^

Interesting take, the one thing I think is missing is really taking into account the type of offense that Michigan runs. 

In Michigan's offense, it take a lot more than a good completion percentage or TD to INT ratio to be successful.

Gattis runs a read-heavy offense which relies on the QB being able to make the right read and execute the right play quickly. If the QB makes the wrong read and hands off to the RB who gets stuffed behind the line, that wont show up in the QB's statline at all, but is absolutely critical to whether the offense is successful or not. 

The emphasis on making quick reads means that Michigan's offense is not particularly QB friendly. Its not the kind of system that a new QB can come in and easily pickup right away. There's a ton to learn, and then on top of that you need a ton of reps before you can expect to make the right decison and execute quickly. That's why I am pretty skeptical that either Bowman or McCarthy will be able to run the offense this year.  

The system that Bowman ran at Texas Tech was about as far from what Michigan runs as you can get. From what I can tell he was almost never asked to make a read -- or even go through a progression. Seems like on most plays, he was basically was asked to go out and throw to spot and trust (hope) that his guy would be there. From what I have seen he has good touch and actually really nice deep ball accuracy, but the idea that a guy who has never been asked to read a defense is going to pick up Michigan's complex offense in a couple months seems almost nil. Tbh, he seems like a such a poor fit schematically that I am puzzled at how he even ended up here unless both parties were desperate. 

Same thing for JJ. I have only seen a little of bit his camp film and hs highlight reel, but the kid absolutely looks like a potential star. Throws with ease, quick release, can hit any spot of the field, anticaptes guys coming out of breaks. Looks everything bit of a 5 star QB. 

But unless the kid is also some kind of Rainman-level offensive savant, I am skeptical that any true freshman is going to be able to learn the offense and get enough reps to be the kind of mistake-free QB we need to execute the offense this year.

TLDR; It's McNamara or bust this year

WolvesoverGophers

July 24th, 2021 at 3:05 PM ^

Good insights into the options and challenges. 

Just re-watched his film from Rutgers.  What stands out is:  Quick decision making, not folding under pressure, ability to change arm angle to fit the ball into the window, deep shots were fairly accurate or back shoulder type throws.

He offers the potential to keep drives alive.  Last year, with our defensive problems, we often had 25-30 fewer plays per game.  If the defense is somewhat improved and through his throwing and ability to find check down targets, maybe we keep the # of plays somewhat even.

If this sound pollyanna-ish, so be it.  He looks like he could be Rudock-like in his ability to manage a game.  Fingers crossed!

JacquesStrappe

July 23rd, 2021 at 11:41 PM ^

That's easy. Most of it is predicated on having a competitive gameday culture instead of a focus on practice champions.

First, have a game-plan that is not afraid to challenge defenses by establishing the pass early on to establish the run later.  Second, inculcate a culture that is aggressive and filled with guys that are not afraid to make mistakes "because coach is gonna be mad".  Third, find a QB with moxie and intangibles that is not afraid to challenge defenses and takes adversity as a challenge to be embraced (see Kedon Slovin at USC) and is part of the fun rather than dreaded as a possible road to defeat.

Also, getting a guy with quicker read-and-recognition would help to improve release times. Maybe this is on the coaches for having an overly complex system that slows down QB reaction time and forces the line to protect for an unreasonably long time.  Either that or ditch the 5 to 7 drops and throw to the backs more, just like every other successful team.  Michigan is one of the few teams that dogmatically refuses to throw to RBs because well "RBs are supposed to carry the ball".  

Fourth, get some receivers with good route running and dependable hands.  Let's face it, Michigan lately has been going after guys with raw physical measurables that have left a lot of plays on the field because of bad routes and dropsies. OSU guys are not necessary any better physically but look polished.  Michigan's receivers look like undeveloped raw physical talents.  Bad play-calling, routes, and off-the-line of scrimmage technique lead to poor separation and many contested throws that result in more incompletions and INTs.  Even uncontested throws often result in dropped balls because of many of our receivers either disintegrate under pressure or have skillet-hands.

Fifth, get some lineman that can pass protect if we are going to have statuesque QBs.