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|1 day 11 hours ago||They both have won 1 BCS bowl||
They both have won 1 BCS bowl win I believe.
Hoke has a NC ring as an assistant. RR has Zero
Same level? I wouldnt go that far.
On a scale of Div. 1 coaches going from A to E, I'd but RR as a B level and Hoke as a C. Mostly because RR is recognized as an offensive innovater and Hoke not an innovater at anything. Careful though because a short list of coaches who are also not "innovaters" looks like this
All of these have one thing in common. At least one NC ring if not several. I won't bother to make a list of "innovaters" who have exactly ZERO NC rings but you can easily do that yourself.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Count me in||
Les Miles would be the BEST answer for Michigan right now and here's why I feel that way.
1. We would have the BEST defense in the B1G every year. More times than not that will win the conference
2. Recruiting ties to the deep south. Les would have at least 3 freshman playing on our D next year because they would instantly be the fastest, meanest and most aggressive guys
3. Identity, this is good and bad but we would have an identity that we would sometimes have us scratching our collective heads, sometimes laughing out loud and alot of time smiling and saying "take that sparty".
4. The hiring of Les Miles would be a clear signal to those that submarined him in 2007, that they do not own the identity of Michigan. Whether it was Carr or his minions who I assume are the ones responsible for our current hire, there is nothing they would despise more than a Miles hire. Therefore I want it to happen. They need to be put in their place once and for all.
5. Press conferences would be EPIC!! As Dantonio with MSU, Bielema at Whisky. I like the idea of our coach maybe being percieved as an asshole, but he's OUR asshole and he's willing to do whatever it takes to BEAT YOUR ASSES!!
6. No coach we could hire(except maybe Harbaugh) respects the rivalries more.
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||Les Miles||
This would suit me fine. SEC recruiting ties, asshole but OUR asshole, defense would ALWAYS be great, never a dull moment(imagine the pressers).
|3 weeks 18 hours ago||I'll take the sister at this||
I'll take the sister at this point. Even though she's married to that asshole Creen
|5 weeks 1 day ago||I've been clamouring for that call for years!!||
Sadly for "spread" or at least "zone read" based teams. If they ever were to return to calling the ineligible by the book(3yds max) it would be the death of their bread and butter.
The zone read itself is a morph of the old wishbone/option offenses of the 70's. Defenses figured out how to play lanes against it using inside to outside angles & 4 linebackers and it was pretty much neutralized. Without the threat of that slot reciever standing open in the spot the linebackers vacated, the spread would also be neutralized to a degree, or at least the oregon/R-Rod version.
I watch it closely during oregon games and count more plays than not where they have at least 1 and many times 2 ineligible and it goes uncalled every time. Keep in mind. The rule is 3 yards not 5 not 6. If you watch it closely they routinely violate the 3yds.
Its the overriding threat of the quick passes that cause defenses to not be able to over commit to the run, meaning they have to hold rather than attack. It used to be once linebackers read the lineman going forward hard it was automatically run and they were set free to "hunt" as they pleased. Thats why linebackers(HS) were taught to read guards first. One or the other guards is always on a "combo" block with the center and is supposed to release to the LB's as soon as he's got his man "turned". By watching him we waste no time looking at the TE since the guards action(chip & release) makes covering a releasing TE irrelevant.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||4 seconds folks||
the O-line can only be expected to keep them off Gardner(in the pocket) for 4 seconds MAX. Watching Gardner get happy feet and bobble head before there's even any REAL pressure is so frustrating. Also Gardner has to MAKE THE DECISION and THROW THE DAMN BALL in those 4 seconds.
Asking the O-line to give him unlimited time back there is a recipe for failure everytime. The young man needs to get his head right and make the read and trust his instincts. IMHO I'd make it this simple. One more yakity sax moment(especially over these next 4 games) and you go directly to the bench for at least a quarter.
He's been here too long and should be past this playground level shit. I'd rather see him step up into the pocket and eat the ball due to good coverage than go all 9th grade.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||So riddle me this||
Why in cases such as this, does the D-Tackle not drop his trailing leg and "sit down" in the hole like we were taught(and Bo taught) back in the day? If you cannot fight back across the O linemans face you have to drop where you stand before giving that ground.
|8 weeks 14 hours ago||Makes me smile to hear about Des||
It really warms me to have been the one that, when he was originally recruited by RR, that predicted he would be a solid contributer and possibly senior captian for Michigan.
I watched almost every game of his Jr & Sr seasons in HS since he played for my alma mater West Ottawa. He was by FAR the best player on the field in every game I watched. Tough as nails, football IQ off the charts and on top of that a really nice and genuine young man.
|10 weeks 3 days ago||My 2 cents||
The year they won the state finals their closest contest was with a local(zeeland west) team in the regional
The following year(2013) they again met Zwest in the regional final and lost pretty convincingly to almost the exact same Zwest team, only difference? GR christian did not have Drake on the field due to his injury.
Zwest went on to win the state final game with ease.
This young man has the potential to be a real difference maker. I think his hands are among the best i've ever seen in HS and his leaping ability and timing are just as impressive.
I watched both him and Rojo(Muskegon) play Zwest and Drakes ceiling is much higher. The only place I'd give Rojo the edge would be YAC because he was more illusive(smaller too).
|24 weeks 1 day ago||Classic Mickey Redmond||
"He's got Domi out there..Probert's talking to him right now...BINGO BABY!! Proberts got the boxing gloves on tonight!!"
|35 weeks 6 days ago||Agree with this change myself.||
It has gotten to the point of bush league IMHO. The hurry up and catch them before they're ready strategy we've seen employed over the past decade is just to similar to training a boxer to streak across the ring at the bell and hit the other guy before he's off his stool. Bush league at its most obvious.
|41 weeks 1 day ago||They've won it 2X in Division||
They've won it 2X in Division 4 and this year in Division 3. As far as the difference between divisions goes I'd say generally the bigger schools(Div. 1) have better talent on the field but not always the case since some of the traditional "city" schools have lost population, expecially in Michigan(detroit area, muskegon).
Anyway, the scheme(power T, winged T, single wing etc) are all rooted in some very elementary but time tested football concepts that, as I learn more myself(now a youth coach) I see many similarities with spread to run/spread to pass offenses. I find it fascinating because I think that coaches of yesteryear like Crisler could actually have great success today just like they did back when. The players change but the coaches ability to react to what they see the defense giving them does not(IMO) and systems like these allow me to actually watch it happen.
I've actually watched the zeeland west coach call a play and give his assistants a "look" on the sidelines because he knew ahead of time that this was going to be a touchdown and sure enough it would happen(or a huge gain of 30+ yards anyhow). Its cool to watch for sure.
|41 weeks 2 days ago||Love the wing-T reference||
I played in a "power T" variation of the "winged T" in HS and one of our local coaches is pretty much the master of it in Michigan HS. He's won 3 state championships in 9yrs with talent that has yet to produce even a single legitimate division 1 player.
Watching him work a defense is like an artist. They are in some ways the anti-spread since they line up all 11 players within a phonebooth, including 3 backs in the backfield straight across. Line splits are like 6" and 2 TE is the norm, but watching them manipulate a defense and just rack up points you can see all of the roots of the run based spread at work.
He passes 1 to 3 times a game and usually gets a TD on one of them. His most critical asset is precise(to the point of orchestral) footwork by the backs and textbook O-line play thats simply beautiful to watch.
You can youtube them and see some of it in action, just search for zeeland west football. Be carefull because if you're like me you'll be in a fit wondering why when we couldn't get 2 positive yards rushing we didn't just hire this guy.
|44 weeks 2 days ago||It's not about scheme, other||
It's not about scheme, other than the coincidence that spread scheme teams seem to be overpopulated with fast and undersize players. Auburn won a national championship running a spread scheme. Using NFL level players. Florida under Urban won a NC, once again NFL all over the field talent wise. RR didn't recruit top level talent PERIOD. Regardless of scheme that point cannot be debated. It is fact and "provable" like by reality and stuff. I'd venture to say Carr had more players earning a reqular NFL paycheck in say 2001 if you took a snapshot then RR will have in his entire coaching career, which by all accounts may be only 1/2 over. Wanna take that bet?? Manball means nothing to me, I could care less what scheme is used and agree that all can be effective BUT..Lets not get caught up in "Like...statistics" because that makes Oregon look better than USC over the past 10yrs when we know USC's national championships trump everything Oregon has accomplished.
|44 weeks 3 days ago||If we'd just let him hire his||
If we'd just let him hire his DC and recruit a few more 5'8" 178lb "skill" guys and a trim a few more O-lineman down to 278lbs we would have been in a perfect position to get run the f**k over by Stanford, Alabama, Wisconsin, LSU, Sparty and anyone else with the sense to realize that there is a reason the NFL doesn't seek out the same players he does. If you can't recruit the best players you resort to trickeration. See Air Force, Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, Oregon etc. If you have a national brand and can recruit the BEST at every position then you do so. Its not brain science. When we hired RR my concern was that we were essentially surrendering. We were going to win with lesser players(something he can and will continue to do) and be content to lose most of the time when we faced top competition. Notice I said "most of the time" because yes, I recognize that sometimes a team of lesser talent can sneak up on a better team and beat them(the horror). However, if we play Appy st. 10X in a row how many would they win? Likewise if Oregon's best team under Kelly plays Saban's Bama or Carrol's USC or Miles LSU they will probably win 1 or 2, and lose 8 or 9. We(Michigan) don't want to aspire to get lucky or sneak up on people with our nifty shifty offense and hope to "catch" them napping. Thats not the Michigan I want to brag about, the one that might just trick you into losing a game. RR caught Oregon after Stanford immasculated them on national TV. Then proceeded to lose to the same Sun-devils that didn't belong on the field with the Cardinal. That told me all I needed to know about the trajectory of a RR coached Arizona team and what would have been at Michigan as well. RR's best recruit(Denard) will be out of the NFL sooner than later. Saban or MIles or Lloyld Carr for that matter often times had his 10th best recruit earn a living in the NFL for 10 years or more. All that glitters is not gold folks.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Oregon was castrated 2 weeks ago||
RR just beat an oregon team that was clearly a shell of itself. Stanford broke that teams will, shattered both their air of invincibilty their faith in their "system". We have our goals set on becoming Stanford. RR's goal is for Arizona to become Oregon. Neither of those are bad goals and just like boxing, styles make great fights. Sometimes Frazier beats Ali and vice versa. My personal feeling is that a Stanford beats an Oregon 7 times our of 10 due to the superior intelligence of their players at every position. I'm glad that we are moving in direction of Stanford and not trying to compete for Juco's and squeek kids thru admissions that are fast and undersized.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||Its is almost as hard to||
Its is almost as hard to watch our current offensive futility as it was to Bielema run the ball 19 consecutive times against our RR defense. Almost. BTW RR fanboi's celebrating his lead over oregon like it proves something. Shut up now before you look like fools becaus oregon could still come back and win(playing vs. a "spread" defense) and Stanford beat the pride and stuffing out of them ducks and they will never be the same this year. BTW, Fire Borges asap and lets move forward.
|47 weeks 5 days ago||DeWitt has a bad road coming.||
Zeeland west is making its 3rd trip to the finals, this time in div3 instead of 4. No matter though, The mighty Dux will roll Dewitt. Running clock for the 2nd half.
|49 weeks 15 hours ago||My son just finished his first year of rocket football||
What I saw was a large disparity in the quality of coaching among the various teams. We were adimate about having only "supervised" contact in practices. No unnessecary hitting and absolutely NO horsing around with eachother in helmets & pads. We were also VERY fast with the whistles in practice stopping the blindside hits when a ball carrier won't go down easy.
We watched other teams on the same field practice and I found myself many times just cringing at the antics. One team had 2 broken arms & a broken leg and I could have predicted it. These morons let the kids just tee off on eachother & play extended games of "smear the qu**r" as we used to call it. This results in blind hits like crazy and is inexcusible to me.
Quality coaching and officiating can minimize injuries by a ton IMHO. If a tackler has both legs tied up its WHISTLE NOW!! If a kids helmet spins 15 degrees on his head the coach should not let him play until properly fitted. Teach them not to drop their heads at any time by using drills that reinforce this and actually make those that do look foolish(I came up with a couple real good ones for my team). Teach young lineman about proper upward leverage and not allowing battering rams leading with helmets.
That said it's still a physical sport with SOME injurious potential. Not as much as rollerblading, skateboarding, downhill skiiing or bouncing on a trampoline with friends but it is there and should be accounted and minimized as much as possible.
|49 weeks 1 day ago||But..but..||
Then precious Denard would have transferred and a large % of this board would have exploded.
I want Borges fired BTW, but he's correct in that having Denard in the position he was perfectly counterproductive to the process of installing/learning his offense. If the QB's brain processing were rated on a 1-10 scale, Denard was probably a 4 and Devins a 5 at this point where Borges requires a minimum of 7.5 to run what he wants.
Poor blocking is made 10X worse by an indecisive QB and this year we're living that perfect storm.
BTW, I nominate that McFadden kid @ stanford with the photoperfect memory as our next O.C. What he does with that mind of his will someday make him a great one.
|49 weeks 4 days ago||An interesting personal life observation.||
My first year of coaching youth football I asked a local HS coach about under center vs. shotgun snap. His reply was that if your QB is exceptionally quick getting away from the center AND you have a strong running back, you go from under center because you will have an advantage. If not you go shotgun or pistol. His statement was that "you're going to spend 2 hours of practice working center exchange. You will be able to teach either method in that time relatively well"(for youth football). Devin Gardner is EXCEPTIONALLY slow at getting away from center. I mean unusually slow. He has been since day 1. I watched youtube vids on denard, devin and several other QBs and he is SLOW getting away. There is no missing it.
|50 weeks 4 hours ago||just wow.||
This game is every spread & shred lovers worst nightmare. We're bigger. We're stonger. We're smarter & more disciplined and we're going to ram the ball up your speedy little asses. You can put 9,10 or even 11 in the box and it wont save you because you're simply not built for this.Watching the cardinal drive the ball 98yds on 21 plays using up over 8 minutes of clock before the half was just brutality. Oregon looked like they didn't belong on the field with them.
|50 weeks 1 day ago||I hate to say it out loud...||
We may have sold ourselves down the river in this game by doing exactly what they would have wished us to do. Leave it on Gardner.
2 TE sets with everyone just crashing in simple man-up/TE overload or slant to FB blocking schemes with RB's(preferrably Rawls/Green for this duty) just smashing into assigned holes with utmost contempt and rage might have been the better option against them.
It would have been tough going for sure, but grinding out 1 to 4 yd gains and playing field position against them whilst waiting for THEM to get impatient and make a mistake might be a winner(or less of a loser??). I can't help but think that this would be Saban's or Miles strategy against this D. Lets just have a 60 minute fistfight with these guys on both sides of the ball and see who's still standing at the end.
I know, we're young and inexperienced and they're a well oiled defensive machine and all, but asking those young blockers to think too much whilst in the battle of their young careers just reeks of pending doom to me. I'd rather have them just DO the simplest things and let them each find their inner beast and rely on their survival instincts to, well, survive.
|50 weeks 5 days ago||Love me some Devin but....||
Having seen him in action for a pretty reasonible time. He's just not getting it. As is many times the case, a QB with his level of athleticism and size is just broken. I've only coached kids from 3rd to 7th grade and I've seen this story repeat itself enough to draw some pretty repeatible conclusions. When coaches starting at the early ages want to win, they put the athlete at QB and let him run free. Give him one play and his 2nd option is always the same. Himself. Great athletes like Devin & Denard along with the likes of Vince Young, Tebow, JeMarcus etc are very successfull at every level until they are forced to manage an offense where they are the last option. Devin was given a tough situation today, poor blocking, a defense with hyper aggressiveness going full tilt, bad weather and a few no calls that did make a difference. However his limitations become glaring as soon as a linebacker or anyone for that matter hints to pressure him. He immediately stops seeing what he should and I can clearly watch him shift into "me" gear. Just like Denard and so many others. Even Conner whats his ass has a far more refined sense of pocket control and mental calmness when #1 breaks down. Borges needs that more than any other skill in his QB's and he has seen very little of it since arriving at michigan. In games like this one, a tough D on the road in shit storm weather poise is the only currency trading and Devin's a great kid with a great attitude and he's tough as nails but poise and clear headed presence are not in his toolkit. He never needed those things. Tom Brady, Joe Flacco, Matt Stafford and even Connor Cook would never have gotten to even Starting FBS quarterback without them.
|1 year 3 weeks ago||Thanks Guys||
I'm aware that I could google it, I just thought might spark some interesting stories and provoke conversation here during a bye week. My apologies for wasting precious board space on these limited internets.
I liked how when Harbaugh called it, Jeff Fischer was looking around like what the hell is he doing? Same with his players. Funny how a lot of players who may have logged literally thousands of plays of football at various levels might have never participated in a free kick.
This was the 1st one I can recall seeing myself and I'm not exactly a youngster myself.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||There's nothing to be done.||
I said this last yr when Saban started howling about the dangers of the tempo offense. Its the reasoned response that I would use myself. If the officials are not specified a set amount of time to be taken before setting the next play then its up for grabs. The whole idea that one coach(Kelly etc.) can pressure officials into settin the ball faster and faster must have a counter for the defense. This is the counter and I personally like it. Its bush league to try and trick your way to victory thru tempo manipulation. It would be the equivolent of training a boxer very specifically to tear across the ring and try to punch the opponent before he was off his stool with his mouthpiece in. Bush league crap that only reflects an insect like specialization. Lets find 700lb goalies that we push onto the ice and take up the entire net.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||23-16||
wiwin HHHHH Hammmas;ldkfj;lskdf;h; Hammer-23 Nail-16 "its been real guys"
|1 year 14 weeks ago||2010 Wisconsin||
This game wins just broke me. Watching that inbred looking Beilema's team run the ball 19 yes ninefuckingteen consecutive plays against a MICHIGAN defense was the most painfull, frustrating and humiliating thing I've experienced as a 30+ year fan of UM.
I guess for me, some last second freak play like Colorado or the once in a lifetime game by a guy call the rocket are easier to digest than watching a team just take away your manhood slowly, methodically and theres absolutely NOTHING you can do about it and THEY know it. RR could have been fired in the post game press conference and it would not have been soon enough for me at that point. Its that game that I point to and say NEVER AGAIN!! more than any other single event, even more than the horror it stands as like a beacon reminding everyone that lived through it that without defense, you have nothing more than a house of cards.
|1 year 38 weeks ago||Ryan Mallet||
Of course that might be more of a "who do I wish had never coached at Michigan" answer.
|1 year 48 weeks ago||For all his accolades,||
For all his accolades, putting players in the NFL is not one of RR's strong suits. He is well respected in the college coaching ranks but I think the NFL probably tends to look upon players from his and similar systems with caution. Mattison will have more players going to the next level from his defenses alone than RR would have from an entire team. I was nice to hear(read)the positive things he has to say about Denard. The kid deserves every word of it.