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|4 days 22 hours ago||Wayne benefitted from||
Wayne benefitted from expansion like nobody can imagine. His timing in terms of the expansion before true international expansion was perfect. Howe had the opposite. Great one was great no doubt but a 20-35 yr old Gordie would dominate the league Gretzky owned in the same way but with the addition of being physically much stronger.
|2 weeks 23 hours ago||hash marks||
Any discussion of offensive philosophy has to take into account the GREAT differences between the NFL & all the others in regards to hash placement.
NFL has 18' between the hashmarks, which allows a D to line up symmetrical against you without tipping what they are going to do.
NCAA & high school football have similar hash mark placement(40' & 50' approx.) which means a D has to account for the "long" side of the field on every play. This is why the no huddle/stand there and look to the sideline works so well at those levels, along with the zone read stuff, triple option stuff and various other "schemes" that are rendered almost useless in the NFL.
This is why college QB's that are successfull often flounder at the NFL level. They have to make subtle reads themselves and cannot rely on stomping their foot and looking to the sideline for instructions.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||The most telling tweet||
Where it is mentioned that captains were done after because there was a sense of entitlement last year. Who were the captains again? Lewan?
|3 weeks 1 day ago||except that....||
We probably could have gotten Hoke for a lifetime supply of chicken wings and unlimited M gear.
When a guy says he'd "walk" to AA from SD for the job, he kinda gave away his "negotiating leverage" right out of the gate.
More evidence that pizza boy was playing favorites from the get go. Look where it got him.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||De bunked||
We offered him fair market value vs. what other DC's with similar "clout" were getting paid at the time. He didn't want to leave WVU at that particular time for whatever reason.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||P.J. Fleck?? I think thats||
P.J. Fleck?? I think thats the name of the guy at WMU right now.
Tony Annesse? Instantly turned perennial loser Ferris st. into a winner, has an offense that I'd put against the "genius" of RR or Stitt anytime(watch some youtube of his teams including GRCC, Muskegon HS or Ferris st.)
Of course this is all based on the outside chance was can't get Harbaugh and don't want Miles.
If you aren't going to end up with a proven winner, might as well get a real innovator who's won BIG at a lower level and had to overcome serious talent difficiencies.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Tony Annesse||
If we'll look at an offensive innovater like Stitt. This guy deserves equal mention. Look at his record in 3(?)yrs at Ferris state. They went from perrenial doormat to beating GVSU and did so remarkably quickly. Previous to that he rebuilt a Muskegon HS prorgam and won mulitiple state championships.
I've watched his offense firsthand and all I can say is WOW!! I don't see anyone doing what he is doing so I don't even know what to call it.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||We need speed, but not the type being discussed here||
The slowest and most detrimental thing on our team is the MENTAL speed at which Devin Gardner processes the game of football.
His handoffs are slow. At least 6 times in every game I've watched him play I find myself yelling RUN!! or THROW!! only to watch him do it 1-2 seconds after.
His computer(brain) is running on a 120mhz processer. He's not dumb. His classroom success's at Michigan verify this. BUT..A 120mhz computer will, given enough time, perform the functions. Classroom gives you that time. Football does not.
Can you imagine watching Tom Brady run our our offense for one series? Can you imagine the recievers getting hit in stride, when they come open? They would not know what to do with balls arriving 2.5 seconds after the snap and on target.
Of course Devin is not Brady. Nor would it be fair to expect him to be. Problem is in his 5th year he's also not even Conner Cook in his 2nd.
I watched Gardner play in HS. He was playing weak competition and he won(some) with a simple game plan. Throw it up to Cameron Gordon or take off running. He never learned the game for the speed chess match that football is. He learned checkers.
Don't judge our team's speed when they are completely handicapped by Gardners sluggish processer. This team would be plenty fast with a QB who could manage a football game. Conner Cooks and Tom Brady's are forced to do that in 8th grade because they have no choice. They would be riding the bench if they didn't. "QB's" like Denard & Devin are never in that situation from youth football on. They are likely the best athletes on any team they play and get away with alot of weakness's that would bench Hackenburg & Cook early in their football life.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Football is Football||
As a guy who watches ALOT of H.S. Football its important to note that there are 2 kinds of coaches. Those for whom its all about THEM and those for whom its all about the TEAM.
I am constantly amazed at these HS coaches trying to run multiple formation systems with sequental reads and shit. WTF!! You are the definition of delusional. You have these kids that you cannot recruit for 2 yrs at the varsity level and you want to make it as difficult as possible on them for what?? Oh yeah, so you can show everyone what a "genius" you are and MAYBE..just MAYBE get that one kid with athletic talent enough to do so into a Div 1 program.
You justify you complex offensive scheme by saying "thats what the colleges run so thats what they want to see kids in". So you basically tell the other 35-60 kids on your varsity team to go F themselves. This is all about kid X who MIGHT be good enough to get into Whatever U.
Bo coached for the TEAM. If he had Johnny Wangler and Anthony Carter he ran play action I formation power and beat them over the top. If he had a lesser O-line he ran option stuff.
Watch the MHSAA playoffs this year and see how many teams win their division running a Michigan T(power T, Dead T). Those coaches realize that they can't choose their talent, have a limited time to teach a system and therefore use the system that can deliver the best results in the fastest time with a wide variation of talent. Those coaches are NOT concerned with getting that ONE kid into a big program(thereby getting themselve attention from the coaches/staff etc.) They are concerned with whats BEST for the TEAM, the TEAM, the TEAM!!
That is what I want in ANY coach at ANY level.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Brians very first statement||
Brians very first statement about 2007 and how it was the "right thing" is my single biggest pet peeve and point of total disagreement with Brian, who I probably 90+ percent agree with.
That is saying basically F the seniors. You don't matter to me. You suck and don't possess enough talent to bother trying to win games for you. RR could have gone a MINIMUM of 6-6 running a power based scheme with Threet/Sheridan handing to Brandon Mnor & Company & running the same basic passing scheme's both of those guys had become familiar with practicing under the previous system. We beat Utah, Toledo, Purdue & likely Northwestern but perhaps lose to Wisconsin because we're not able to use the RR stuff to exploit them in that memorable 2nd half.
Our defense & O-line were still strong enough to win us those games. The only reason(s) this was not the strategy we took were 1. RR has no idea how to coach any system other than his own(I think this is the reason BTW which is a damn shame for anyone who consider's themselves a top level football coach) or 2. RR was too impatient and thought that he could get away with ending our 30yr bowl streak( in other words he thought Michigan was just like every other school but just bigger) without losing too much support. He was wrong.
You can, and i'm sure will, continue to believe this was the right thing to do in 2008 but that does not make it so. If we assume there was a large faction of the M fanbase(20-25%?) that was anti RR from the get go, that means at least 20-25% were Pro RR and that leaves 50-60% that were on the fence waiting to see. By disregarding those seniors in 2008 and ending the bowl streak etc. What did he do to those 50-60%(myself in that group)? I'm saying he sent more of them to the anti camp than to the pro camp and never got them back. He gambled that he would go 7-5 then 9-3, that would have gotten enough of them back to win him a 4th yr. Instead he went 5-7(no bowl again) and 7-5. The fence sitters he lost in 08 were not going to move inot the neutral or pro camps with those results.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||My Z West DUX might just have||
My Z West DUX might just have something to say about that.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||They both have won 1 BCS bowl||
They both have won 1 BCS bowl win I believe.
Hoke has a NC ring as an assistant. RR has Zero
Same level? I wouldnt go that far.
On a scale of Div. 1 coaches going from A to E, I'd but RR as a B level and Hoke as a C. Mostly because RR is recognized as an offensive innovater and Hoke not an innovater at anything. Careful though because a short list of coaches who are also not "innovaters" looks like this
All of these have one thing in common. At least one NC ring if not several. I won't bother to make a list of "innovaters" who have exactly ZERO NC rings but you can easily do that yourself.
|11 weeks 6 days ago||Count me in||
Les Miles would be the BEST answer for Michigan right now and here's why I feel that way.
1. We would have the BEST defense in the B1G every year. More times than not that will win the conference
2. Recruiting ties to the deep south. Les would have at least 3 freshman playing on our D next year because they would instantly be the fastest, meanest and most aggressive guys
3. Identity, this is good and bad but we would have an identity that we would sometimes have us scratching our collective heads, sometimes laughing out loud and alot of time smiling and saying "take that sparty".
4. The hiring of Les Miles would be a clear signal to those that submarined him in 2007, that they do not own the identity of Michigan. Whether it was Carr or his minions who I assume are the ones responsible for our current hire, there is nothing they would despise more than a Miles hire. Therefore I want it to happen. They need to be put in their place once and for all.
5. Press conferences would be EPIC!! As Dantonio with MSU, Bielema at Whisky. I like the idea of our coach maybe being percieved as an asshole, but he's OUR asshole and he's willing to do whatever it takes to BEAT YOUR ASSES!!
6. No coach we could hire(except maybe Harbaugh) respects the rivalries more.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||Les Miles||
This would suit me fine. SEC recruiting ties, asshole but OUR asshole, defense would ALWAYS be great, never a dull moment(imagine the pressers).
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I'll take the sister at this||
I'll take the sister at this point. Even though she's married to that asshole Creen
|14 weeks 1 day ago||I've been clamouring for that call for years!!||
Sadly for "spread" or at least "zone read" based teams. If they ever were to return to calling the ineligible by the book(3yds max) it would be the death of their bread and butter.
The zone read itself is a morph of the old wishbone/option offenses of the 70's. Defenses figured out how to play lanes against it using inside to outside angles & 4 linebackers and it was pretty much neutralized. Without the threat of that slot reciever standing open in the spot the linebackers vacated, the spread would also be neutralized to a degree, or at least the oregon/R-Rod version.
I watch it closely during oregon games and count more plays than not where they have at least 1 and many times 2 ineligible and it goes uncalled every time. Keep in mind. The rule is 3 yards not 5 not 6. If you watch it closely they routinely violate the 3yds.
Its the overriding threat of the quick passes that cause defenses to not be able to over commit to the run, meaning they have to hold rather than attack. It used to be once linebackers read the lineman going forward hard it was automatically run and they were set free to "hunt" as they pleased. Thats why linebackers(HS) were taught to read guards first. One or the other guards is always on a "combo" block with the center and is supposed to release to the LB's as soon as he's got his man "turned". By watching him we waste no time looking at the TE since the guards action(chip & release) makes covering a releasing TE irrelevant.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||4 seconds folks||
the O-line can only be expected to keep them off Gardner(in the pocket) for 4 seconds MAX. Watching Gardner get happy feet and bobble head before there's even any REAL pressure is so frustrating. Also Gardner has to MAKE THE DECISION and THROW THE DAMN BALL in those 4 seconds.
Asking the O-line to give him unlimited time back there is a recipe for failure everytime. The young man needs to get his head right and make the read and trust his instincts. IMHO I'd make it this simple. One more yakity sax moment(especially over these next 4 games) and you go directly to the bench for at least a quarter.
He's been here too long and should be past this playground level shit. I'd rather see him step up into the pocket and eat the ball due to good coverage than go all 9th grade.
|16 weeks 1 day ago||So riddle me this||
Why in cases such as this, does the D-Tackle not drop his trailing leg and "sit down" in the hole like we were taught(and Bo taught) back in the day? If you cannot fight back across the O linemans face you have to drop where you stand before giving that ground.
|17 weeks 20 hours ago||Makes me smile to hear about Des||
It really warms me to have been the one that, when he was originally recruited by RR, that predicted he would be a solid contributer and possibly senior captian for Michigan.
I watched almost every game of his Jr & Sr seasons in HS since he played for my alma mater West Ottawa. He was by FAR the best player on the field in every game I watched. Tough as nails, football IQ off the charts and on top of that a really nice and genuine young man.
|19 weeks 3 days ago||My 2 cents||
The year they won the state finals their closest contest was with a local(zeeland west) team in the regional
The following year(2013) they again met Zwest in the regional final and lost pretty convincingly to almost the exact same Zwest team, only difference? GR christian did not have Drake on the field due to his injury.
Zwest went on to win the state final game with ease.
This young man has the potential to be a real difference maker. I think his hands are among the best i've ever seen in HS and his leaping ability and timing are just as impressive.
I watched both him and Rojo(Muskegon) play Zwest and Drakes ceiling is much higher. The only place I'd give Rojo the edge would be YAC because he was more illusive(smaller too).
|33 weeks 1 day ago||Classic Mickey Redmond||
"He's got Domi out there..Probert's talking to him right now...BINGO BABY!! Proberts got the boxing gloves on tonight!!"
|45 weeks 55 min ago||Agree with this change myself.||
It has gotten to the point of bush league IMHO. The hurry up and catch them before they're ready strategy we've seen employed over the past decade is just to similar to training a boxer to streak across the ring at the bell and hit the other guy before he's off his stool. Bush league at its most obvious.
|50 weeks 1 day ago||They've won it 2X in Division||
They've won it 2X in Division 4 and this year in Division 3. As far as the difference between divisions goes I'd say generally the bigger schools(Div. 1) have better talent on the field but not always the case since some of the traditional "city" schools have lost population, expecially in Michigan(detroit area, muskegon).
Anyway, the scheme(power T, winged T, single wing etc) are all rooted in some very elementary but time tested football concepts that, as I learn more myself(now a youth coach) I see many similarities with spread to run/spread to pass offenses. I find it fascinating because I think that coaches of yesteryear like Crisler could actually have great success today just like they did back when. The players change but the coaches ability to react to what they see the defense giving them does not(IMO) and systems like these allow me to actually watch it happen.
I've actually watched the zeeland west coach call a play and give his assistants a "look" on the sidelines because he knew ahead of time that this was going to be a touchdown and sure enough it would happen(or a huge gain of 30+ yards anyhow). Its cool to watch for sure.
|50 weeks 2 days ago||Love the wing-T reference||
I played in a "power T" variation of the "winged T" in HS and one of our local coaches is pretty much the master of it in Michigan HS. He's won 3 state championships in 9yrs with talent that has yet to produce even a single legitimate division 1 player.
Watching him work a defense is like an artist. They are in some ways the anti-spread since they line up all 11 players within a phonebooth, including 3 backs in the backfield straight across. Line splits are like 6" and 2 TE is the norm, but watching them manipulate a defense and just rack up points you can see all of the roots of the run based spread at work.
He passes 1 to 3 times a game and usually gets a TD on one of them. His most critical asset is precise(to the point of orchestral) footwork by the backs and textbook O-line play thats simply beautiful to watch.
You can youtube them and see some of it in action, just search for zeeland west football. Be carefull because if you're like me you'll be in a fit wondering why when we couldn't get 2 positive yards rushing we didn't just hire this guy.
|1 year 1 week ago||It's not about scheme, other||
It's not about scheme, other than the coincidence that spread scheme teams seem to be overpopulated with fast and undersize players. Auburn won a national championship running a spread scheme. Using NFL level players. Florida under Urban won a NC, once again NFL all over the field talent wise. RR didn't recruit top level talent PERIOD. Regardless of scheme that point cannot be debated. It is fact and "provable" like by reality and stuff. I'd venture to say Carr had more players earning a reqular NFL paycheck in say 2001 if you took a snapshot then RR will have in his entire coaching career, which by all accounts may be only 1/2 over. Wanna take that bet?? Manball means nothing to me, I could care less what scheme is used and agree that all can be effective BUT..Lets not get caught up in "Like...statistics" because that makes Oregon look better than USC over the past 10yrs when we know USC's national championships trump everything Oregon has accomplished.
|1 year 1 week ago||If we'd just let him hire his||
If we'd just let him hire his DC and recruit a few more 5'8" 178lb "skill" guys and a trim a few more O-lineman down to 278lbs we would have been in a perfect position to get run the f**k over by Stanford, Alabama, Wisconsin, LSU, Sparty and anyone else with the sense to realize that there is a reason the NFL doesn't seek out the same players he does. If you can't recruit the best players you resort to trickeration. See Air Force, Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, Oregon etc. If you have a national brand and can recruit the BEST at every position then you do so. Its not brain science. When we hired RR my concern was that we were essentially surrendering. We were going to win with lesser players(something he can and will continue to do) and be content to lose most of the time when we faced top competition. Notice I said "most of the time" because yes, I recognize that sometimes a team of lesser talent can sneak up on a better team and beat them(the horror). However, if we play Appy st. 10X in a row how many would they win? Likewise if Oregon's best team under Kelly plays Saban's Bama or Carrol's USC or Miles LSU they will probably win 1 or 2, and lose 8 or 9. We(Michigan) don't want to aspire to get lucky or sneak up on people with our nifty shifty offense and hope to "catch" them napping. Thats not the Michigan I want to brag about, the one that might just trick you into losing a game. RR caught Oregon after Stanford immasculated them on national TV. Then proceeded to lose to the same Sun-devils that didn't belong on the field with the Cardinal. That told me all I needed to know about the trajectory of a RR coached Arizona team and what would have been at Michigan as well. RR's best recruit(Denard) will be out of the NFL sooner than later. Saban or MIles or Lloyld Carr for that matter often times had his 10th best recruit earn a living in the NFL for 10 years or more. All that glitters is not gold folks.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Oregon was castrated 2 weeks ago||
RR just beat an oregon team that was clearly a shell of itself. Stanford broke that teams will, shattered both their air of invincibilty their faith in their "system". We have our goals set on becoming Stanford. RR's goal is for Arizona to become Oregon. Neither of those are bad goals and just like boxing, styles make great fights. Sometimes Frazier beats Ali and vice versa. My personal feeling is that a Stanford beats an Oregon 7 times our of 10 due to the superior intelligence of their players at every position. I'm glad that we are moving in direction of Stanford and not trying to compete for Juco's and squeek kids thru admissions that are fast and undersized.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Its is almost as hard to||
Its is almost as hard to watch our current offensive futility as it was to Bielema run the ball 19 consecutive times against our RR defense. Almost. BTW RR fanboi's celebrating his lead over oregon like it proves something. Shut up now before you look like fools becaus oregon could still come back and win(playing vs. a "spread" defense) and Stanford beat the pride and stuffing out of them ducks and they will never be the same this year. BTW, Fire Borges asap and lets move forward.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||DeWitt has a bad road coming.||
Zeeland west is making its 3rd trip to the finals, this time in div3 instead of 4. No matter though, The mighty Dux will roll Dewitt. Running clock for the 2nd half.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||My son just finished his first year of rocket football||
What I saw was a large disparity in the quality of coaching among the various teams. We were adimate about having only "supervised" contact in practices. No unnessecary hitting and absolutely NO horsing around with eachother in helmets & pads. We were also VERY fast with the whistles in practice stopping the blindside hits when a ball carrier won't go down easy.
We watched other teams on the same field practice and I found myself many times just cringing at the antics. One team had 2 broken arms & a broken leg and I could have predicted it. These morons let the kids just tee off on eachother & play extended games of "smear the qu**r" as we used to call it. This results in blind hits like crazy and is inexcusible to me.
Quality coaching and officiating can minimize injuries by a ton IMHO. If a tackler has both legs tied up its WHISTLE NOW!! If a kids helmet spins 15 degrees on his head the coach should not let him play until properly fitted. Teach them not to drop their heads at any time by using drills that reinforce this and actually make those that do look foolish(I came up with a couple real good ones for my team). Teach young lineman about proper upward leverage and not allowing battering rams leading with helmets.
That said it's still a physical sport with SOME injurious potential. Not as much as rollerblading, skateboarding, downhill skiiing or bouncing on a trampoline with friends but it is there and should be accounted and minimized as much as possible.