Home
we had subs it was crazy

Primary links

  • About
    • $upport (lol)
    • Ethics
    • FAQ
    • Privacy Policy
  • Contact
  • MGoStore
  • MGoBoard
    • MGoBoard FAQ
    • Ticket spreadsheet
    • Michigan bar locator
    • Moderator Action Sticky
  • Useful Stuff
    • Depth Chart By Class
    • Unofficial Two Deep
    • 2013 Offer Board
    • Crude Bug Tracking System
    • Third Down Stats
    • Diaries, Windows Live Writer, And You
    • Michigan Future Schedules
    • User-Curated HOF
    • 2013 Recruiting Board
    • Where To Eat In Ann Arbor
Home Forums MGoBoard

Navigation

  • Forums
  • Recent posts

User login

  • Create new account
  • Request new password

MGoElsewhere

  • @MGoBlog (Brian)
  • @aceanbender
  • @TomVH (Tom)
  • RSS Feed
  • iPhone App
  • Facebook profile
  • MGoKindle Store
  • mgo.licio.us
  • Brian @ TSB [Archive]
  • Brian @ AOL [Archive]
  • Sour Salty Bitter Sweet

Michigan Blogs

  • Big House Blog
  • Burgeoning Wolverine Star
  • Genuinely Sarcastic
  • Go Blue Michigan Wolverine
  • Holdin' The Rope
  • MGoFootball
  • MVictors
  • Maize 'n' Blue Nation
  • Maize 'n' Brew
  • Maize And Go Blue
  • Michigan Hockey Net
  • The Blog That Yost Built
  • The Hoover Street Rag
  • The M Block
  • The M Zone
  • The Wolverine Blog
  • Touch The Banner
  • UMGoBlog
  • UMHoops
  • UMTailgate
  • Wolverine Liberation Army

M On The Net

  • mgovideo
  • MGoBlue.com
  • Mike DeSimone
  • Recruiting Planet
  • The Wolverine
  • Go Blue Wolverine
  • Winged Helmet
  • UMGoBlue.com
  • MaizeRage.org
  • Puckhead
  • The M Den
  • True Blue Fan Forum

Big Ten Blogs

  • Illinois
    • A Lion Eye
    • Hail To The Orange
    • Illinois Baseball Report
    • Illinois Loyalty
  • Indiana
    • Inside The Hall
    • The Crimson Quarry
  • Iowa
    • Black Heart, Gold Pants
    • Fight For Iowa
  • Michigan State
    • The Only Colors
  • Minnesota
    • GopherHole.com
    • The Daily Gopher
    • I'm In Love With A Fringe Bowl Team
    • TNABACG
  • Nebraska
    • Big Red Network
    • Corn Nation
    • Husker Mike's Blasphemy
    • Husker Gameday
  • Northwestern
    • Sippin' On Purple
    • Lake The Posts
  • Notre Dame
    • The House Rock Built
    • One Foot Down
  • Ohio State
    • Eleven Warriors
    • Buckeye Commentary
    • Men of the Scarlet and Gray
    • Our Honor Defend
    • The Buckeye Nine
  • Penn State
    • Slow States
    • Black Shoe Diaries
    • Happy Valley Hardball
    • Penn State Clips
    • Linebacker U
    • Nittany White Out
  • Purdue
    • Boiled Sports
    • Hammer and Rails
  • Wisconsin
    • Bruce Ciskie

Links of Note

  • Baseball
    • Big Ten Hardball
    • College Baseball Today
    • The Baseball Zealot
    • The College Baseball Blog
  • Basketball
    • Ken Pomeroy
    • Basketball Prospectus
    • Midmajority
  • College Hockey
    • Chris Heisenberg
    • College Hockey Stats
    • Inside College Hockey
    • Michigan College Hockey
    • Hockey's Future
    • Sioux Sports
    • USCHO
    • Western College Hockey
    • CCHA
      • LSSU Hockey
      • Bronco Hockey Blog
  • Football
    • Smart Football
    • Every Day Should Be Saturday
    • Doctor Saturday
    • CFB Stats
    • Harold Stassen
    • NCAA D-I Stats Page
    • The Wizard Of Odds
  • General
    • Sports Central
  • Local Interest
    • The Ann Arbor Chronicle
    • Arborwiki
    • Arbor Update
    • Teeter Talk
    • Vacuum
  • Teams Of The D
    • Lions
      • Pride of Detroit
      • Fire Millen
    • Pistons
      • Detroit Bad Boys
      • Need4Sheed
    • Tigers
      • Roar Of The Tigers
      • The Detroit Tigers Weblog
      • The Daily Fungo
    • Red Wings
      • On The Wings
      • Behind The Jersey
      • Winging It In Motown
    • Michigan Sports Forum

Archive

  • May 2013 (53)
  • April 2013 (94)
  • March 2013 (104)
  • February 2013 (81)
  • January 2013 (93)
  • December 2012 (74)
  • November 2012 (142)
  • October 2012 (143)
  • September 2012 (107)
  • August 2012 (103)
  •  
  • 1 of 11
  • ››

Get Yer Tickets

Football Display Case

NFL Watches

Follow your favorite team with localtv-satellite.com: Click Here.

Site Search

Diaries

  • New
  • Popular
  • Hot
  • Does Expansion Actually Lead to More Recruits From a Certain Region?
    maizeonblueaction - 7 hours ago
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 1 day ago
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 2 days ago
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 3 days ago
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 3 days ago
  •  
  • 1 of 4
  • ››
more
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 871 views
  • More Milford Men Than Michigan Men: Comparing the 11-12 and 12-13 Hockey Teams
    MGoBlueline - 776 views
  • UMich NFL draft history, Part III
    blueheron - 751 views
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 682 views
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 568 views
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more
  • Big Ten Recruiting Rankings 4-30-13
    Ace - 81 comments
  • Using Rivals' Star Ratings To Look At Big Ten Football Recruiting: 2002-2013
    LSAClassOf2000 - 19 comments
  • LIGHT IT UP, AGAIN. WALLPAPER
    jonvalk - 17 comments
  • A Cynical Take on Why Expansion May be Dead for the Forseeable Future
    maizeonblueaction - 17 comments
  • Raiding the B1G-er Big Ten: Recruiting Prospects in Maryland and Rutgers Territory
    The Mathlete - 12 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

MGoBoard

  • New
  • Recent
  • Hot
  • OT: Star Trek + Dilithium = Esplode…. Esplode clarity
    4 replies
  • OT - ND paid Charlie more than Brian Kelly in 2012
    16 replies
  • Softball SuperRegionals Open Thread
    22 replies
  • OT: ESPN hires Paul Finebaum
    30 replies
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 4 Open Thread
    182 replies
  • Mark May Trolls Ohio State Again, Buckeyes Fans Let Him Have It On Twitter
    33 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    131 replies
  • Baseball Eliminated from B1G
    19 replies
  • Denard, other rookies discuss Star Trek
    52 replies
  • Urbs and his obsession with butts
    51 replies
  • Very OT: The Hangover 3 *Thread May Contain Spoilers*
    57 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    148 replies
  • Awesome Uniform Timeline on MVictors
    39 replies
  • Baby’s life saved with 3D printed device at C.S. Mott
    36 replies
  • OT: Mott Takeover
    15 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››
  • OT: Star Trek + Dilithium = Esplode…. Esplode clarity
    4 replies
  • Mark May Trolls Ohio State Again, Buckeyes Fans Let Him Have It On Twitter
    33 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    131 replies
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 4 Open Thread
    182 replies
  • Urbs and his obsession with butts
    51 replies
  • OT - ND paid Charlie more than Brian Kelly in 2012
    16 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    148 replies
  • Very OT: The Hangover 3 *Thread May Contain Spoilers*
    57 replies
  • OT: ESPN hires Paul Finebaum
    30 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    140 replies
  • Softball SuperRegionals Open Thread
    22 replies
  • 5 star 2013 DT may not be enrolling at Notre Dame
    91 replies
  • Awesome Uniform Timeline on MVictors
    39 replies
  • ESPN's Luginbill Predicts Top 5 Impact Freshmen, includes Derrick Green
    71 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    148 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 3 Open Thread
    203 replies
  • OT: Red Wings vs Hawks Game 4 Open Thread
    182 replies
  • OT - Official MGoBaby Thread (you got 'em, we want to see 'em)
    148 replies
  • Scouting Report: Jabrill Peppers
    148 replies
  • How much do you really hate ohio?
    145 replies
  • OT? Graduatin' Season. Who had the Worst Commencement Speaker?
    140 replies
  • Who should replace ND in a long-term series?
    131 replies
  • Speight and TomVH on Peppers
    116 replies
  • OT: Red Wings @ Hawks Game 2 Open Thread
    114 replies
  • Prayers for Moore, Oklahoma
    112 replies
  • Alex Bars to Notre Dame
    96 replies
  • 5 star 2013 DT may not be enrolling at Notre Dame
    91 replies
  • OT: NBA Draft Lottery
    78 replies
  • ESPN 30 for 30 on the Bad Boys
    77 replies
  • Michigan Softball vs. Cal Open Thread
    75 replies
  •  
  • 1 of 7
  • ››

mgo.licio.us

  • This college baseball team is the best at postgame interviews

    national champs baby

    0 comments
  • Rounding up the latest in NCAA absurdities.

    Patrick Hruby is doing God's work.

    0 comments
  • Cornell wrestler tops Michigan's Trey Burke for Sports Illustrated award | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com

    first comment: "EVERY ATHLETE HAS ASPIRATIONS OF WINNING AND WE HAVE OUR FAVORITES BUT IT IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO OTHER STUDENTS ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, TOO!"

    0 comments
  • Burke hearing he'll go two through six in NBA draft

    stupid Pistons and their refusal to tank properly

    0 comments
  • 2013 NHL Draft Prospect: Andrew Copp

    rundown of Michigan's riser

    0 comments
  • Michigan's key returnee: Glenn Robinson

    needs moar usage

    0 comments
  • Former Arkansas QB Brandon Mitchell transferring to NC State

    so much for that

    0 comments
  • The B1G List: Ranking the State Fossils of the Big Ten

    This list is completely arbitrary and not a genuine analysis of the relative merits of state fossils.

    0 comments
  • Trey Burke turns to inner circle to prepare for NBA draft

    will be michigan's highest pick in a while

    2 comments
  • B1G assistant coach salaries on the rise

    money has to go somewhere

    0 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. is motivated by his critics and doubters, and supremely confident in his ability

    I am only motivated by people who have no opinion about me.

    0 comments
  • Big Ten football procrastinates on parity-based scheduling, and nothing ever changes

    the just released schedules were a flat-out statement that the B10 doesn't believe SOS will matter in playoff selection

    1 comments
  • Michigan's Glenn Robinson III, Mitch McGary ranked inside top 20 on ESPN's 2014 draft board

    but I thought that draft was supposed to be incredibly loaded?

    1 comments
  • Tim Hardaway Jr. turning heads, viewed as a first-rounder by some teams, analyst says

    If you're gonna go please be in the first round.

    0 comments
  • Michigan-Ohio State once, Indiana-Purdue once? The Big Ten has to protect its hoops rivalries

    another delightful side effect of a 14 team conference

    0 comments
  •  
  • 1 of 2
  • ››
more

We are at a critical juncture in the RichRod era

166 posts / 0 new
Login or register to post comments
Last post
October 14th, 2010 at 11:27 AM
#1
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228
We are at a critical juncture in the RichRod era

With all the media (and booster) scrutiny Michigan is receiving in the wake of the MSU game, winning this game may prove to be the turning point of RichRod's tenure. Before the State game, I would have traded a loss v. Iowa if that meant a guaranteed win over MSU.

Now, although certain people are going to clutch to the MSU loss, the game against Iowa could be the biggest game of RichRod's tenure. The team just inadvertently set in motion a chain of events that will make or break RichRod's legacy. Everyone expects him to fail. Last year some excused his 1st year and blamed it on a bare cupboard. When we started rolling in the beginning of year 2, people got excited and thought we were back. Now, no one thinks we're back - everyone expects us to fail, including many of our own "fans" and boosters.

If Michigan beats Iowa, there is a good chance we go 4-2 the rest of the way.  More specifically, with a win this week over Iowa the haters will be proven wrong, the negativity will start to die down, fans will get excited for a bowl game, we will travel well for the bowl game. If we win the bowl game, we will be a consensus top 20 team going into the offseason/preseason. Michigan will be back, and the only thing people will have against RichRod is the past.

If Michigan loses the game this weekend, there is still hope to silence the haters, but it won't come until the end of the season. Not to say that RichRod will be gone if he loses to Iowa/Wisconsin/OSU, but we will be arguing all these same issues on this date in 2011 if that's the case.

If the team can take care of business this weekend, it provides hope and ammunition against the persistent pessimists.

Go Blue!
 

Edit: It seems I did not make my position clear in this post.  I am a huge RichRod supporter and even if he goes 6-6 this year, I still want him here because I think he deserves to finish what he started and I have confidence he will.  A loss to Iowa is not an end of the world situation for this team, and I never said it was (in fact I said "if we lose to Iowa, there is still hope").  A loss to Iowa is simply a loss to Iowa.  However, if we win this game, I think we will look back on it in a few years as the game where we turned the corner.  Certainly we can't just go out and beat Iowa and call this season a success - we've gotta finish strong.  I'm just trying to play Nostradamus a bit.

Go Blue!

Top
  • Login or register to post comments
Tags:
  • MGoBoard

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
October 14th, 2010 at 11:31 AM | Every Big 10 Game is a critical junture for the next 3 years: (Score:1)
jtmc33
Joined: 04/15/2009
MGoPoints: 4916

Wisconsin 1-1

Iowa 0-1

Northwestern 0-1

Penn St. 0-2

Illinois 0-2

Purdue 0-2

Ohio State 0-2

Michigan State 0-3

Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:35 AM | The past (Score:1)
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228

The past is the past.  I'm talking about the future.  Our team was not good the last 2 years.  I don't care what our record has been against OSU/MSU or anyone else the past 2 years.  I only care about the future and going forward, I think this team is ready to win, we're ready to compete in the big ten.  I think we will show it on Saturday.

Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:44 AM | Half our team is ready to (Score:1)
joeyb
joeyb's picture
Joined: 10/12/2008
MGoPoints: 11303

Half our team is ready to compete in the Big10. The other half is along for the ride.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:46 AM | I like what you are saying - (Score:1)
jtmc33
Joined: 04/15/2009
MGoPoints: 4916

I like what you are saying - I too am excited for the future.  And I'm sure we can agree that winning at home against a ranked Iowa team will go a very long way in changing perceptions of this team--- and this program.

However, I don't think that any fan of the program with the most all-time wins and highest winning percentage, and multiple national championships can really, honestly, say that the past does not matter.   

And that's what makes 0-6 against the Buckeyes matter.  And 0-3 against Sparty matters. 

Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:08 PM | The Big Ten is strong this year, next year several teams, . . . (Score:1)
ImSoBlue
ImSoBlue's picture
Joined: 07/10/2008
MGoPoints: 875

especially Iowa, take a step back.  I'd add Ohio State, but they just seem to reload.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:35 AM | We have 3 very winnable games (Score:1)
joeyb
joeyb's picture
Joined: 10/12/2008
MGoPoints: 11303

We have 3 very winnable games still on our schedule. Most were predicting 7-5 this season and winning those 3 puts us at 8-4. What's wrong with beating the teams you are better than, and losing to teams that are better than you? I just don't see how a team that everyone expected to be 7-5 losing to a probable end-of-year-top-10 team is going to kill his career here.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:02 PM | Here, Here! (Score:1)
profitgoblue
Joined: 09/01/2009
MGoPoints: 19415

A final regular season record of 8-4 with a bowl game invitation would be just what the doctor ordered for this program.  I'll also take a 7-5 record with one of the wins coming against OSU.  And if 8-4 includes a win against OSU then BONUS!  As mentioned above, every win matters regardless of the opponent.  Wins over MSU and OSU are always great (see 1993, my freshman year, when Michigan finished 8-4 with one of those wins a blowout over OSU).  That said, I believe Rodriguez will secretly be extremely happy with an 8-4 final regular season record - he'll never say it out loud, but I think it will be a big weight off his shoulders.

Disgruntled former moderator.  I got a lot of problems with you people!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 1:27 PM | IMO the predictions changed when Denard. (Score:1)
wolverine1987
wolverine1987's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 2928

took off. Everyone who picked 7-5 or 8-4 and said they'd be satisfied with that (including me) said so before we knew Denard was this good. Given how critical QB is to offensive play, I think many people mentally upgraded their expectations--meaning our ability to play good teams better, and to play much better than mediocre teams. If Tate was our QB I'd be fine with 7-5 given our defense--with Denard at this level, 7-5 is disappointing IMO.

"Everyone gets dumped Gabe. Let me give you some advice: a little coverup on your Adams Apple will make it appear smaller. Which will make you appear less like a transvestite." 

  • Login or register to post comments
October 18th, 2010 at 1:09 PM | Even with an unexpectedly (Score:1)
FrankMurphy
FrankMurphy's picture
Joined: 08/19/2008
MGoPoints: 2499

Even with an unexpectedly electrifying QB, 8-4 or 7-5 seems like a reasonable prognostication with a defense this bad. 

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:35 AM | Really? (Score:1)
Twisted Martini
Twisted Martini's picture
Joined: 08/30/2009
MGoPoints: 1191

Al sez  "Just win baby!"

  • Login or register to post comments
October 16th, 2010 at 12:47 AM | Al Davis is a moron, i do not (Score:1)
CaliWolverine78
Joined: 03/20/2010
MGoPoints: 1280

Al Davis is a moron, i do not know if i would be quoting him.

Let's Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:36 AM | Hold Off (Score:1)
exmtroj
exmtroj's picture
Joined: 10/24/2008
MGoPoints: 2218

I wouldn't put so much pressure on this game if I were you, it could make Saturday much more devastating.  Just take the rest of the season one game/play at a time and applaud the small improvements that are (hopefully) coming. 

 

 

"All I've had today is, like, six gummy bears and some scotch"

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:36 AM | You're kidding, right? (Score:1)
Victory Collins
Victory Collins's picture
Joined: 12/29/2009
MGoPoints: 139

This game couldn't matter less to RichRod's future.  If he wins, a nice feather in the cap, but if not, there is not much shame in losing to a highly ranked team, especially when that team is not one of the core rivals.  Also what's with the hyperbole that he is gone if he loses against Iowa, Wisc and OSU.  If you want to take a strong outrageous position, back it up with some analysis or reasoning.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:30 PM | Totally Disagree (Score:1)
Trepps
Trepps's picture
Joined: 02/24/2010
MGoPoints: -9711

This game is huge.  Lose and everyone will beleive that we are headed to our 3rd straight Big 10 slide (including possibly recruits).  Win and it buys RR a lot of goodwill and patience. 

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 1:12 PM | This game is huge only to us (Score:1)
urbanachiever
Joined: 01/16/2010
MGoPoints: 614

This game is huge only to us die-hard Michigan fans who are sick and f***ing tired of hearing little brother and everyone else tell us how bad we are and how far we've fallen.  We want it because it would indeed go a very long way to silencing the haters, but to RR and to the team, this game is no bigger than any other game on the schedule.  There are just too many ups and downs for them to pin that much emphasis on one game, especially against a non-rival.

"I hope I can get a bunch of championships - like 15"

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 2:06 PM | it will be what it will be (Score:1)
double blue
Joined: 09/03/2009
MGoPoints: 367

yes, if we beat iowa the critics quite and yes , if we lose they say this is the beginning of the slide, ut it does not matter- it will be what it will be- by that i mean where we end up is what will matter to an even keeled man like brandon.  if this is the beginning of the slide then all the haters and even some die hards will be all over rr and brandon will have a tough decision . but , what if we win and then slide?  is 6-6 that much better, what if we lose and end up 8-4- would this game have mattered? 

 

let's just let the season play out.  i know it's hard and our hearts nearly stop beating every weekend, but it will be what it will be.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 2:12 PM | I agree (Score:1)
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228

The post was intended to be prognostication more than anything else.  I THINK an Iowa win means we are actually pretty good and will go at least 4-2 the rest of the way.  Could I be wrong?  Yes.  Could I be right?  Yes.  Could someone have said the same thing about Wisconsin in 2008?  Yes.  Its just an opinion of what I think the future holds and nothing more.

Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 3:40 PM | Sorry but perception matters, particularly (Score:1)
Trepps
Trepps's picture
Joined: 02/24/2010
MGoPoints: -9711

in recruiting.  Sure the overall record is what matters most to Brandon, RR and the team. 

BUT in the minds of many, particularly recruits it matters a lot when you win and who you beat.  For example, if we beat Iowa with Tim Jernigan present it might mean more in his recruitment than a win against Illinois a month later. 

Not to mention the fact that it does seem like RR's teams ride momentum both up an down so a win this saturday might increase confidence and thus pay dividends down the road, while a loss could do the oppposite.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:36 AM | I don't think there's a big (Score:1)
BlockM
BlockM's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 25314

I don't think there's a big enough ORLY owl for this, but yeah, we'll learn a lot about the team this Saturday. If we lose to Iowa it's not the end of the world though. We'll need to beat Purdue and Penn State.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:39 AM | If we lose this game, I'll be (Score:1)
icefins26
icefins26's picture
Joined: 02/01/2009
MGoPoints: 10527

If we lose this game, I'll be more dissapointed about the dumbasses coming out of the woodwork with ZOMG RICH ROD IZ SOOO FIRED than about actually losing this game.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:42 AM | This (Score:1)
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228

This is exactly what I was trying to convey in my post.  I've been a RichRod supporter since before we hired him.  His teams were ALWAYS fun to watch.  I started following his career when Woody Dantzler was at Clemson.  Even if he is 6-6, I want him here next year because I have seen improvement every year since 2008.  What I want more than that though is to silence the haters.  Its embarrasing how many high profile boosters are rooting for his demise.  These factions within Michigan are ridiculous.

If we lose, we lose, its just another game.  But if we win, it helps more than a normal win.

Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:50 AM | Quick question (Score:1)
fomo
Joined: 06/17/2010
MGoPoints: 54

...and I don't mean this to start an argument, but when will it be legitimate for fans/boosters to begin questioning the direction of the program and the future of the coach? After we lose a winnable game this year (say we lose to Illinois, or Purdue, or Penn State)? After we fall to 0-3 against OSU in Rich Rod's tenure? After the bowl game, should we get to one? Or do we have to wait until year 4 is complete?

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:54 AM | IMO (Score:1)
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228

IMO, the moment we don't improve from the previous year.  Now, once we get back to the top, we will have varying records from 9-4 to 13-0.  But until that time, RichRod needs to be kept around until we stop seeing improvement.

Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:59 PM | fomo (Score:1)
bdneely4
Joined: 01/06/2009
MGoPoints: 418

I think you have a fair and justified question, but it is one that is going to bring forth all kind of different opinions.  I agree with the position that you need to give RichRod credit as long as the TEAM continues to show improvement.  The University of Michigan made a decision to change the way their football team looks and plays by hiring Rich Rodriguez and when you completely change the look and play of a team it is going to take a little time to get your final product.

After saying all of this, if Rich Rodriguez loses his job it is going to be because of the decisions he has made on the defensive side of the ball and have nothing whatsoever to do with the offense IMO.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:41 AM | And Illinois. I know they are (Score:1)
joeyb
joeyb's picture
Joined: 10/12/2008
MGoPoints: 11303

And Illinois. I know they are looking better, but not good enough to count them even close to a tossup yet.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:46 AM | Good point. Forgot about (Score:1)
BlockM
BlockM's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 25314

Good point. Forgot about them.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:03 PM | I just wanted to say (Score:1)
wlvrine
wlvrine's picture
Joined: 09/25/2008
MGoPoints: 1464

nothing screams "ALL IN!" like a hundred foot tall tattoo of the Michigan block M on your abdomen.  I like it.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:10 PM | Little known fact: I not only (Score:1)
BlockM
BlockM's picture
Joined: 07/03/2008
MGoPoints: 25314

Little known fact: I not only had to have it tattooed, but had to have the hair dyed as well.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:55 AM | Illinois may lay MSU somewhat (Score:1)
jtmc33
Joined: 04/15/2009
MGoPoints: 4916

Illinois may lay MSU somewhat close this Saturday, but their loss to IU in a couple weeks will put them right back where they belong... on a course for a 3-5 or 2-6 conference record.

At the end of the year people will look back at the PSU/Illini game as the battle for 8th place.

Class of '97: 4 Years -- 4 Four-loss seasons

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 2:27 PM | This (Score:1)
snowcrash
Joined: 07/22/2008
MGoPoints: 1568

If we play only at the average level of our first 6 games against Purdue and PSU, we should win without too much trouble. A loss would indicate that something is going seriously wrong.

A close loss to Illinois would be disappointing but not devastating.

As for Iowa, Wisconsin, and OSU, a win in any of those would be the biggest of RR's tenure here, but none of those should even be as high as a 6 on the "desperate need to win" scale. Blowout losses would be bad though.

Even if we beat only Purdue and PSU, that would leave us at 7-5 and in a bowl in a year when the combination of talent and experience on defense is at an all-time low.  

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:38 AM | I couldn't agree more... (Score:1)
fomo
Joined: 06/17/2010
MGoPoints: 54

Last weekend's loss was a huge blow to Rich Rod. You can tell me all the reasons why it wasn't that important for you or why it happened and shouldn't be perceived as a huge blow, but for those that were at the game and around campus after, the mood was not pretty. 0-3 against MSU stings really, really bad. I think Brandon is saying all the right things, but another season with a fast start and a late-season collapse will "prove" to many that have always hated Rich Rod that a change is needed at the end of the year. And Brandon will hear a lot of those voices. This is, of course, JMHO...

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:44 AM | Of course it was a big blow, (Score:1)
icefins26
icefins26's picture
Joined: 02/01/2009
MGoPoints: 10527

Of course it was a big blow, we lost to a rival.  If RR was doing this with his guys, all seniors, it'd be a different story.  Look long term right now.  We have virtually everyone back on offense next year, with some great depth at O-Line and WR.  On defense, we have virtually everyone back sans Ezeh, Mouton, Banks, Rogers.  If we implode with everyone in place, I understand -- but until then, it's too early to pull the rug out.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 3:20 PM | Of course my argument was (Score:1)
icefins26
icefins26's picture
Joined: 02/01/2009
MGoPoints: 10527

Of course my argument was extremely broad.  There has been more going on with this program under RR than simply (as you would say) LOOSING players -- NCAA bullshit allegations, transfers, injuries, position changes, decommits, etc.  Not saying all of that isn't a result of simply RR, but some of it isn't.  We have had some tough, tough breaks the last few years and I think we are on the upside.  Wins will come.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 16th, 2010 at 12:05 AM | Well, start buying the argument (Score:1)
Bronco Joe
Bronco Joe's picture
Joined: 12/06/2009
MGoPoints: 351

Well, start buying the argument. Yes, every team loses players and plays SOME freshmen. There is not one single successful team with half of the starters being underclassmen, much less with the number of freshmen we have. RR's first recruiting class will not be seniors for TWO more years, since he came in about 2 months before signing day with most of the recruiting class of 2008 already in place. Iowa fans waited 10 or 11 years for Ferentz to put something together - RR will have a Big Ten Champion / BCS contender in place in less than half that time. 

Bronco Joe 
All in for Michigan

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 7:08 PM | The Problem is you don't get to wait to have all your seniors... (Score:1)
NathanFromMCounty
NathanFromMCounty's picture
Joined: 10/10/2010
MGoPoints: 82

...in college football, since about 1990 you get 3 seasons to show something then you are gone.  So for RR to get that 4th season he need to show "U of M Isn't a finesse team that you can just out physical" (I don't even blame DS for saying it on 1130 this afternoon, he was only repeating what everyone else was saying.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:38 PM | I was at the game and on (Score:1)
His Dudeness
His Dudeness's picture
Joined: 11/24/2008
MGoPoints: 13558

I was at the game and on campus after and although we were disappointed about the loss I don't remember anyone calling for anybody to be fired besides Shirvell...

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:39 AM | That is far too simplistic (Score:1)
oakapple
Joined: 02/06/2009
MGoPoints: 1317

For instance, you wrote, “More specifically, with a win this week over Iowa the haters will be proven wrong.” All you can really say is that a win over Iowa will call off the dogs for now.

No Michigan coach, and surely not Rodriguez, will truly be embraced by the fans until he reaches at least parity with Ohio State and clear dominance over Michigan State.

I am not a Rodriguez hater by any means, but the fact is, at Michigan you are expected to win Big Ten titles with regularity. Until Rodriguez does that, the arguments that he is the wrong coach will persist.

Marc Shepherd
New York, NY

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:44 AM | Amen. Very well said! (Score:1)
mGrowOld
mGrowOld's picture
Joined: 10/04/2010
MGoPoints: 13176

Amen. Very well said!

 

 

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:07 PM | Improvement....Improvemnet....Improvement (Score:1)
M_Born M_Believer
Joined: 11/11/2009
MGoPoints: 433

This is the mantra I have been stating over and over again.  Does it suck that we lost to MSU for the 3rd straight year...heck yeah.  I am still getting childish text messages from Lil' Bro slappies gloating.....

But RR needs to be evaluated upon the measure of improvement of this program from year to year.  By defination, just 1 more win constitutes improvement, a bowl game, minimum 3 weeks extra practice time.  It does not matter in the grand scheme of the program who you beat right now.  If the program continues to get better (and I do firmly believe that, but I am having some questions about the D) we need to stay the course.

Does anyone actaully consider that we may have lost to the 2nd best team in the Big 10?  They beat Wisconsin, they will destroy Penn State, and Iowa will be a toss up.  My point is, that I still believe that we will win at least 2 if not more (I'm going with 4) games this year, plus the bowl game.  That puts us at 8-5 minimum (I'm going with 10-3).  That's improvement. 

And yes, one of those losses will most likely be to that school to the south so that will make it 0-7.  The haters will still hate, citing 0-3 to Sparty and 0-7 to 'them', but that would be a short sighted way of looking at the program.

8-5...9-4...10-3.... Heck yeah this porgram is heading in the right direction.

Will it have "arrived"? No.....

Will everyone be satisfied?...No

Will even RR and the team be satisfied?...Heck no.

Focus on improvement each and every week / game / practice / play / workout and everything else will fall into place.....

Always remember...you play well and you play hard because you are Michigan....

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:41 AM | Jesus Christ, no. 6-6 is still the minimum goal. (Score:1)
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1327

This team needs to show progress, which essentially means 6 wins and a bowl.  Losing to Iowa doesn't doom those chances.

Stop moving the goalposts.  If M loses to the top three or four teams in the conference (OSU, MSU, Iowa, Wisky), then it will still be a successful season.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 11:56 AM | I wanted a recipe. Don't let (Score:1)
El Jeffe
El Jeffe's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 6714

I wanted a recipe. Don't let the Anti-WLA Mafia Mafia cow you, dude.

MOAR RECIPEZ!!!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:24 PM | Eh, it seemed like the OP wrote in good faith. (Score:1)
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1327

If you post in good faith and you're not egregiously stupid, then there will be no recipe.

It seems like the poster is trying to build up the importance of Iowa because he thinks it'll be a win.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 12:43 PM | Troof, but I have to cook (Score:1)
El Jeffe
El Jeffe's picture
Joined: 07/07/2008
MGoPoints: 6714

Troof, but I have to cook dinner for my in-laws tonight. Seriously, I need a recipe.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 1:24 PM | Recipe? (Score:1)
KyleMac
Joined: 07/20/2010
MGoPoints: 228

I guess I don't post here enough to know what the recipe reference is in regards to.  But, I do think we will win on Saturday (I will not be devastated with a loss, I know its going to be an uphill battle) and I think that it will be looked at as a very big win 2 years from now.

Go Blue!

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 2:03 PM | As an example (Score:1)
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1327

For example, if ekartash had posted any of his comments here in an actual thread, he would have been recipe'd.  Bad faith, overly negative, overly stupid, and/or overly pointless threads will get recipe'd.  Some people at MGo don't like it because, well, sometimes they or their buddies get recipe'd.

You were close, but it seemed like you're coming from a position of optimism, so I let it go.  Stay tuned, though- there is always an idiot with the ability to create a thread.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 3:27 PM | By that logic (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
M-Wolverine's picture
Joined: 10/04/2009
MGoPoints: 38865

He has till, like, 2015 to win a Big Ten title.  As long as he can show improvement of one game every year.

He starts 5-0, and goes 6-6, he's fired. That's not even hating, that's just the way it's going to be.  And don't kid yourself otherwise.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 4:07 PM | Dave Brandon disagrees with you. (Score:1)
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1327

I never said "he only has to improve by one win every year to keep his job."  What I said was he has to show tangible progress this year, which at minimum means 6 wins.

And this...

He starts 5-0, and goes 6-6, he's fired. That's not even hating, that's just the way it's going to be.  And don't kid yourself otherwise.

...is just delusional.  We just heard a report that David Brandon is telling recruits RichRod does NOT have a minimum # wins in order to keep his job, and he WILL be here for a long time.  When it comes to assertions about RichRod's job security, I'll believe Brandon before I ever believe you.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 5:12 PM | Well, that would make you stupid (Score:1)
M-Wolverine
M-Wolverine's picture
Joined: 10/04/2009
MGoPoints: 38865

Because nowhere has Brandon ever said that 6-6 would be tangible progress.  He hasn't put a win total on it, but you're delusional if you don't think wins and losses are a part of it.  He hasn't put a number, because wins can mean different things. He might let 6-6 slide, if we're suddenly hit with injuries everywhere. Or 10-2 might not be enough if some huge scandal occurred. That's what he's saying when he's saying it's not only wins or losses. Not that "it doesn't matter how much we win, I'll judge him on other things". Brandon is telling people Rich is going to be here for a long time, because he can't imagine that after going 5-1 we would end up at 6-6.  He (wisely) doesn't think 1-5 the rest of the way (and 1-6to finish the season) is, or should, happen.  If it does, without some major happening, he's probably going to take a much different look on the season. 

If you think that if we win one game the rest of the season, against Illinois, Purdue, Penn State with other winnable games thrown in, and that one game isn't Ohio State, the only one delusional is you.

"I love him, he's a great coach, he's a great mentor, he's a great friend. He's every single thing you want a college coach to be, and he does it flawlessly." -David Molk

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 6:37 PM | It sounds like you *want* failure. (Score:1)
cfaller96
cfaller96's picture
Joined: 06/30/2008
MGoPoints: 1327

I have never seen someone so contort an AD's (semi)public statement of support for a head coach to mean...nothing.  We can only go on what Dave Brandon says, but you want to extrapolate it to represent what he can or cannot imagine.  It's almost as if you don't want that public statement of support to mean anything.

I wonder why.

The Wolverine Liberation Army- saving Michigan fans one dick joke at a time.

  • Login or register to post comments
October 14th, 2010 at 7:12 PM | Brandon *has* to say that... (Score:1)
NathanFromMCounty
NathanFromMCounty's picture
Joined: 10/10/2010
MGoPoints: 82

...it was like when GWB said he'd govern bipartisanly.  There's just some things you are going to lie on in public

  • Login or register to post comments
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • next ›
  • last »
Powered by Pressflow, an open source content management system
Theme provided by Roopletheme; sidebars adapted from Chris Murphy.