All around terrible game by the zebras. They disrupted the tempo of the game and they almost fouled out our entire frontcourt. Unbelievable
Yeah I'm puttin that one on top, if only for the call on the best block I've ever seen by Burke. I will maintain for the rest of my life that if the ref didn't fuck us on that call we would have won the game. That is the definition of a momentum changing play.
Admitted it was clean.
EDIT: this was a reply to a post that seemingly got deleted
I really tried getting into MBB last year but after that and the games (not just UM) this year I'm content with not watching it in the future. Soooo many games decided on the free throw line. I'm surprised they even consider tracking "defensive" stats.
Watched a hell of a Wings Leafs game tonight. At least bad officiating can usually be played through with good penalty kills. Imagine if hockey used a free shot line, ugh.
Fans visiting threads about one sport for the express purpose of telling the world that they don't care for said sport are obnoxious.
Great, you don't follow basketball. I don't really follow Michigan hockey, and I don't give a rat's ass about the NHL - but you don't see me visiting the hockey threads to inform you about how much I don't care.
It's my opinion from watching the sport up to tonight. It's my university but I can't comment on their roundball team because I think the fouls are a huge issue for the sport, which is actually relevant to this thread?
I guess my hockey comment wasn't necessary but shit there's an angry bunch on this board. Your absurd anger towards my non personal comments is unjustified.
AGREE OR LEAVE
I think they call them shootouts.
Admittedly, penalty shots are an even closer corollary, but they're obviously much rarer.
The worst part about the Burke block is because it was so high profile, everyone thinks that was the only bad call, and are quick to make the argument that it didn't cost Michigan the game, ignoring that the entire rest of the game was horribly officiated in Louisville's favor. Hancock with the foul that was inexplicably switched off of him (and would have fouled him out), the over the back that pushed Caris out of bounds on that last rebound (we would have had the ball down 3 on the last possessoin), the other bazillion calls that were missed on Hancock, bleh.
At some point I charted out the whole game as objectively as I could, marking down ever foul called and not called, and it wasn't even remotely close. It easily resulted in a 10+ point swing. Fuck everything about the refs that game.
Thank you for pointing this out!! I've felt exactly the same. I'm pretty certain the Ware factor caused so much Louisville sympathy the refs were swing by it. Silva played terrible but he was allowed to drive in out of control and get a touch foul, but Burke would get hammered but stay strong and never get a call
I am not interested in reliving every bad call in the NC game or any game for that matter. Not only do we ignore the calls from which we benefited, but at some point it just sounds whiney.
That said, the reason the Burke block will remain memorable forever is not simply because it was "high profile" or wrong, but because it was so effing beautiful---like on the level of Woodson's INT against MSU. I could watch it daily.
Why would you put me through this misery all over again?
I don't see why everyone is so upset. That's CLEARLY a foul. The ball is part of the hand and Burke got all ball so by definition he got all hand.
okay, not really, but damn, one of the prettiest blocks ever and the ref is right there and blows it. Dammit.
was the greatest athletic move I've ever seen. Everybody gets screwed when they play at Duke, so I don't think this game was the worst. We got mugged big time at Duke, just in the first half more than last nite.
Worst ever? No. But it was painful.
Still, a win over a team like that (just won @UCONN) without McGary and without being able to play post defense without a whistle blowing is a good win.
I haven't followed too closely, is McGary expected back within the next 5-10 games?
He played for a stretch up to this (?) game, so I assume he'll be okay soon. Hopefully by big ten play
I can't remember a worse one although I'm only 20. The Louisville one was pretty bad though.
This really shines a light on the attitude and positions you post with.
FSU beat #22 UMASS tonight as well. So that's good, right?!
It felt like an NBA game where play is stopped every time down the court due to touch fouls.
really bad - no advantage had been gained, there was no change in the course of play - definition of bad foul calls.
The fouls on the guards and when we failed badly in stopping the ball, I think you had to call those.
I was constantly angry at the inconsistency on the touch fouls at each end. Could be from my drunkeness, but what do I know.
I can't figure out what's going on in these games, but it seems like we get called for way more touch fouls than any of our opponents, particularly in the last minutes of each game. I don't know if we're just getting sloppy at the end of the game, or we're doing weird things, or what. At the end of this game it seemed like there was a ton of contact on the Stanford side of the court, which was okay, but on our side even the most inccidental contact was getting called.
To be honest, I really doubt they're calling the game differently on each end. I think we're just not doing a good job of understanding what kind of contact each ref is allowing, and what kind of contact they always call.
although, in fairness to the officials, Randle was blowing by guys causing fouls, and most of those were pretty darn legit.
I'll just put this here:
Our 3 bigs (Morgan, Horford, Bielfeldt) combined for an almost miraculous statline. They had 18 COMBINED rebounds and points next to 14 fouls. Once again: our bigs almost had more fouls than points and rebounds together.
Please never leave, Mitch.
That's unfair. I thought all of the bigs played pretty well despite having to deal with a really, really tough whistle.
They all played hard tonight and I appreciate the effort. I wish Morgan would make harder challenges on defense, though, and Max, damn, the kid tries so hard, but you've got to find the bottom of the bucket once in a while. He's cold death from point blank range and tough to watch at the foul line. He plays his butt off, though, so I'm hoping that can improve the more he gets used to being out on the court.
On Morgan, keep in mind that foul trouble often forced him to play passively on defense. Before that, he was doing a nice job fronting his man and getting in the passing lanes.
I'd say that in fairness to Morgan, no one on this team closes out with any sort of intentions. The perfunctory challenges just don't cut it. But yeah, foul trouble is definitely a factor. I just wish he'd at least close out right on the vertical (which should never be a foul). Of course, I can see these refs blowing the whistle on that.
You have low standards for "pretty good."
Not just me. Morgan was named the Player of the Game on the radio.
They also played defense, against a larger front-court in which they were overmatched, and held it in check. Taking fouls is part of defense. They also committed zero turnovers, drew at least one charge, drew other fouls on Nastic and Powell, and Morgan in particular had several hustle plays that led to possessions or points.
Points and rebounds against fouls is an extremely simplistic way to evaluate their contribution.
In all fairness to Mitch, he should've left last year. For him, not us.
Especially next year. If Donnal were up to the task he wouldn't be red shirting. Doyle looks like Donnal part 2. Biefeldt will never contribute much. Next year could be a disaster down low.
Some fantastic logic here. If you aren't an immediate superstar, we might as well write you off.
I watched a few games today and thought they were all poorly done. I am not a referee abuser, but I think with the new rules interpretations, it's going to take the officials time to evaluate the judgements being made in this early part of the season.
I think when tourney times rolls around, the games will be managed differently by officials.
Michigan has a typically low foul rate under Beilein in recent years and these refs were calling shit that didn't even happen. Fuck them. Let the players play.
@Indiana and Louisville last season.... Duke this season was pretty bad too
I'll never be over the officiating at the end of the Indiana game - by all rights, there should be a Big Ten banner in the rafters from last year.
You could place any at Indiana for at least the past 30 years at or near the top of this list.
It's as criminal as Cameron, but the failure to call an intentional on Watford was a straight up abdication of responsibility. When the guy committing the foul is visibly shocked it's not an intentional, you blew the call. It was somehow comforting to learn that Mrs. B was as frustrated about that decision as I was.
Yea. Most of them were away from the basket touch fouls. Initially, I thought that the new foul rule would prevent guys like Bo Ryan and Tom Izzo from mugging the shit out of players and disrupting the flow of the game but it has gotten extreme.
BTW, you need to update your signature - we have 910 wins in football.
Tough to compare dogshit to dogshit. I will still go with Burke's block/foul call as making that game the worst ever even if it's just one call because it cost us a legit chance at a championship.
That said I nominate the worst call of the night when the Stanford player tripped on the halfcourt line and landed on Horton's hip for his 5th foul. Horton's 3rd foul was his only legit foul IMO.
Who is Horton? You mean horford?
They called a foul every time he heard a Who