...says Denzel Valentine of Big Ten Tourney favorite MSU, which is 5-7 in its last 12 games. Cumong, man.
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- Team defense improves 8.8 points per 100 possessoins while KCP is on the court. How much of this has to do with Stuckey being a terrible defender, and that Pope is coming off the bench and likely facing inferior offensive units because of it, is debatable. That's why adjusted plus minus exists, but it's far too early in the season (and in their careers) for APM to hold any weight.
- He's holding opponents to a sub 13 PER and just under 50 eFG%. The eFG% is actually subpar, but he does a nice job of preventing FTAs, and forces a good number of turnovers it appears.
- Synergy has him as a .93 PPP defender, which is a decent bit below average (256th in the NBA). He's been excellent fighting through screens to contest shots, and does a good job in PnR defense, but those sample sizes are too small to draw definite conclusions. Again, overall, Synergy doesn't think he's anything special.
- His dRtg is 109, but dRtg is a pretty useless stat that is more closely tied to your defensive rebounding stats and your team's defense than your actual defensive performance. I'm just putting this here in case someone else tries to reference individual dRtg one way or another.
- 2.1 points worse with KCP on the court. Again, same caveats as defensive +/- apply.
- 72% of his makes are assisted. As you'd suspect the vast majority of his offense is created by others for him.
- His 1.4 FTA per 36 leave a lot to be desired compared to his college numbers. That's partially because of his role, but still, that was the number one thing I was keeping an eye on with him in his transition to the NBA, and so far it hasn't translated.
- 45.7% TS% is pretty terrible, especially when considering his role as mostly a spot up shooter. But, small sample size, wouldn't be too concerned yet.
- 3.6 rebounds per 36, 1.4 assists, he isn't exactly filling up the box score in that regard.
- 3.5% TO%, this is AMAZING. I don't think I've ever seen someone with that low of a turn over rate, even in a spot up shooting role, really impressive from a rookie.
- 104 oRtg. All of his offensive struggles shooting the ball essentially get off set by his tremendously low turnover rate. Unlike individual dRtg, individual oRtg is termendously useful, and tells you a lot about how efficient a player is with the possessions they use.
- .88 PPP according to Synergy. Tells us pretty much the same thing as oRtg, but their methods are different. This ranks 208th in the NBA.
- 15.3 usage rate, which tells us, as expected, that he isn't exactly the focal point of the offense. As a result, his 9.4 PER, which is directly tied to usage, is unimpressive.
- Team defense is 6.3 points worse with Burke on the court per 100 possessions.
- He's holding opponents to a 15.9 PER. This is below average. He's allowing guys to get inside too much (33% of their FGA are inside), and it seems opponents target him as someone to attack (their usage rate is above average against Burke, though part of that is the nature of the PG position). Opponents also get to the line a good bit against Burke. This is according to 82games.com.
- Synergy has Burke as a .84 PPP against defender, which is 138th in the NBA and a good bit above average. You may wonder how Synergy and 82games.com could differ so greatly, and which one to put more stock in. My understanding is that 82games.com does their defensive tracking via play by play data, and assumes that the PG on one team is guarding the other team's PG. As we know, switches occur frequently, some teams mix in the occasional zone, and often things don't line up so nicely. Synergy actually tracks every play individually and matches guys up properly, so I'd be far more confident in citing Synergy defensive stats than 82games.
- His dRtg is 113. Again, this is mostly useless, and dependent on the Jazz being an awful defensive team as a whole.
- 11.4 points better with Burke on the court per 100 possessions.
- 33% of his shots are assisted, as you can imagine, he's creating most of his own offense. This is a bit high compared to some PGs actually, so he isn't in full ball domination mode.
- 2.3 FTA per 36 isn't overly impressive, but also was expected to be low. 21% of his shots are coming inside (he converts these a slightly subpar 57%), which is actually twice as often as Chris Paul, so it seems safe to say that the concern with his ability to get inside has mostly been answered. Still could stand to finish a bit better, but it hasn't been nearly the issue it was expected to be.
- 48.9 TS% is in that Brandon Jennings range of bad, but is largely due to his 40.5 eFG% on jumpers, a number that I'd be shocked to see lower than 45% come the end of the year (with his TS% around league average).
- 4.3 rebounds per 36, 6.2 assists, solid as a distributor so far if unspectacular.
- 9.1% TO%, which for any PG is a pretty big deal, and for a rookie PG is historically good.
- 107 oRtg. Much like KCP, the low turnover rate really helps, and in Burke's case the assists do as well. This is right around league average, which again, for a rookie is impressive.
- .88 PPP according to Synergy, same as KCP.
- 23.0% usage rate, so he's using a pretty big chunk of Utah's possessions and doing so rather efficiently (as based on his oRtg and Synergy PPP.
|8 weeks 9 hours ago||Eh, you shouldn't be allowed||
Eh, you shouldn't be allowed to get off that easy. The last time this was being discussed here, you were spewing a bunch of stuff about KCP being superior statistically to Burke, shooting everyone else's opinion down due to "ignoring statistics." You tried to make it about everyone else being emotional over Burke, and acted like you were the rational, analytical one in the thread. In the mean time, your argument was unequivacally wrong, both then and even more clearly now.
It seems you've finally come around though, so welcome to the side of logic and reason.
|12 weeks 7 min ago||The Burke block was bad, but||
The worst part about the Burke block is because it was so high profile, everyone thinks that was the only bad call, and are quick to make the argument that it didn't cost Michigan the game, ignoring that the entire rest of the game was horribly officiated in Louisville's favor. Hancock with the foul that was inexplicably switched off of him (and would have fouled him out), the over the back that pushed Caris out of bounds on that last rebound (we would have had the ball down 3 on the last possessoin), the other bazillion calls that were missed on Hancock, bleh.
At some point I charted out the whole game as objectively as I could, marking down ever foul called and not called, and it wasn't even remotely close. It easily resulted in a 10+ point swing. Fuck everything about the refs that game.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||double post||
sorry, double post.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Alright TheLastHoke, here's a||
Alright TheLastHoke, here's a pretty compelte statistical breakdown of what we know about both players so far in their NBA time, since you keep saying the stats are telling a different story than what most are saying here:
Early Conclusion: Defensive signs are positive, offensively he's shown close to nothing of note outside of his low turnover rate. He hasn't had much of an opportunity, so it isn't time to panic in that regard, but offensively I'm a bit discouraged based on his reputation coming out of college.
Early Conclusion: Defense is a mixed bag, with Synergy liking him quite a bit, but 82games feeling differently. I'd probably interpret it as being mildly positive at this point, but that's mainly because I don't put much if any stock into raw +/-, so to each their own. Offensively he's actually doing a better job of scoring inside than I expected, and the only issue he's really had is getting his jumper to fall. Anyone who expects that to continue, based on his historically great ability to hit jumpers off the dribble in college, is bordering on insane. The turnver rate is very, very encouraging early on, the assist rate is solid, and all in all it's hard to find much to complain about offensively outside of the struggles with his jumper.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||Arguing that KCP has been||
Arguing that KCP has been better than Burke is....questionable to say the least. I guess you can talk up his defensive impact, but the Pistons have the 20th best defense in the league, despite a whole host of defensive talent in Smith/Drummond, so just how big of an impact is he having? I agree, the eye test says he's a good defender, and I expect him to continue to be one, but you're greatly overestimating the impact he's had on that side of the court. If you replace KCP with a replacement level player, how many fewer games have the Pistons won at this point? Look at the record of the Jazz with and without Burke, pretty easy to see the type of impact he's had.
You also referenced WS/48 earlier, which with such a small sample size of minutes borders on irrelevent, as shown by the fact that Burke shot significantly past KCP in that metric after last night's game.
Argue that KCP made sense with the Jennings/Smith plan (which was a shitty plan to begin with, but oh well), sure, but to argue that KCP has been the more productive player to this point is a joke.
|12 weeks 2 days ago||The analytics aren't wrong,||
The analytics aren't wrong, but you're only looking at one, not the whole picture. Even going into last night, Burke's oRtg of 103 was hovering around league average despite an absolutely dreadful TS%.
A short sighted person might say he's been struggling to play well, but I'd argue his first 15 games in the NBA are about as encouraging as they could be despite his shooting struggles. Does anyone really think he'd continue to shoot that poorly, is there any reason to believe he'd be that inept of a scorer in the NBA? The rest of his game has translated as well as anyone could have hoped, his turn over rate is historically low for a rookie PG (and among the best in the league amongst all PGs), he's creating off the dribble successfully, and while he's still not very good at finishing inside, he isn't have a problem getting in the paint off the dribble.
Even with the shooting struggles, Burke looks to be on track to be one of the top 3 players from this draft. No reason to be anything but excited about the way he's looked as an NBA player.
|13 weeks 3 days ago||I'm here for the posbang.||
I'm here for the posbang.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I'm not totally sure what||
I'm not totally sure what guys expect from GR3. He's never had the ability to really create off the dribble, and most guys don't just magically develop that in one offseason. If a guy gets to college and can't create off the dribble, don't ever expect him to. It can happen, but it's incredibly rare. For that reason, I've always been pretty pessimistic about GR3 in that first or second option role. He reminds me a bit of Kawhi Leonard, and like Michigan fans, Spurs fans have been waiting for Kawhi to show the ability to create for himself. Mind you that's a generous projection, dependent on GR3 continuing to make strides with his jumper, and if you're an NBA team I think you'd have to be thrilled if GR3 reached that level.
Stauskas, unlike Robinson, has the benefit of having an elite level NBA skill, and that's incredibly valuable. Guys like Korver stick around for ages because at the end of the day, it's always nice to have a guy who can hit the 3 ball consistently over 40%. The improved ability to get inside and finish is incredibly promising as well. If you were to compare him to a pro right now, I think Klay Thompson is the closest match skillset wise, though I wouldn't expect Stauskas to get to that level of total scoring.
McGary I really don't know. He HAS to get the mid range jumper down and figure things out at the free throw line, other wise he's nothing more than an energy guy. I don't know if he ever develops real back to the basket ability, he's a quality finisher around the hoop but it's unlikely he ever creates much for himself. Defensively he has a good bit of upside due to his athleticism and size, though it'd be nice if he were a bit more prolific of a shot blocker.
I would expect Stauskas to be the most useful player out of the gate of the three.
|19 weeks 5 days ago||I have an apartment I'm||
I have an apartment I'm looking to fill a room in, and seeing as I'm in the process of considering posting the room's availability on craigslist, I figure I could do a whole lot worse than a fellow Wolverine. Email me at n.repole (at) gmail.com if you're legitimately looking for a place in the greater Boston area.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||It should have been a first||
It should have been a first down. If it makes you (or anyone else) feel better though, we probably would have just ran the ball three times for a grand total of three yards, so it probably didn't change the outcome. The missed blatant hold on one of PSU's early touchdowns and the weak PI call haunt me more than the lack of a first down there. If those things go our way, maybe we win.
Either way, win or lose, the thing that bothers me most about this game is Fitz stat line. It's absolutely inconceivable how any coach allows that stat line to happen. Oh, the first 20 runs netted us 20 yards? Lets try seven more times!
|23 weeks 3 hours ago||Why on earth did OSU not use||
Why on earth did OSU not use a timeout or two when NW had the ball?
|26 weeks 9 hours ago||That call doesn't get made a||
That call doesn't get made a lot because the ref isn't typically so on top of the play. Most of the time they won't see that hand on the back turning the receiver a bit, it's why DBs do it so often (especially on slants), but when it's directly in front of them you can expect it to get called.
Definitely a break though, that type of thing isn't called all the time, regardless of whether it should or shouldn't be.
|26 weeks 1 day ago||He reminds me a bit of Deion||
He reminds me a bit of Deion Branch who was drafted in the 2nd round, though I think coming out of college Branch had a bit more top end speed/quickness. In his prime though, Branch was mainly a shifty guy who ran great routes, had great hands, and blocked well despite his 5'9 frame. He did that on the outside as well, like Gallon thus far in college, not in the slot.
Get him with a QB who really values precise route running and good hands over pure size/speed and I think Gallon's got a quality NFL future. Like Branch in Seattle though, if he doesn't end up in the right system or with the right QB, goings could be pretty rough.
|26 weeks 2 days ago||The Jags should consider||
The Jags should consider giving Braylon a call, pretty sure Hennebot still spends the first three seconds after a snap checking to see if Braylon's open despite him not being on the field.
|26 weeks 5 days ago||Isn't too hard for me to||
Isn't too hard for me to believe that the girl involved didn't want to press charges due to the publicity it would receive and the way she would undoubtably be treated around campus. And without that girl pressing charges and wanting to speak out against it the police perhaps did not have enough of a case.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen, and based on what's out there regarding the situation, it seems a whole lot more likely to me that something malicious did happen. As things stand, I don't look forward to FG attempts as I can't bring myself to root for the type of person Gibbons seems to be.
Lewan's actions were shitty too, though to me that's more just a guy truly believing his friend didn't do anything wrong, trying to defend him, and being an idiot about it. I can forgive Lewan for his ignorance and stupidty, Gibbons on the other hand I hope never steps on campus again when he's done here.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||PER is heavily influenced by||
PER is heavily influenced by usage. Practically anyone who dominates the ball at the rate Jennings does can put up an above average PER. Go look at Antoine Walker's career PERs, and yet practically no one from the advanced analytics crowd will come by and say "there's a guy who helped a team win." On the flip side, RAPM doesn't seem to think too fondly of Jennings, and his TS% of 51% is awful for a guy who shoots that much.
There's some hope for him if he ever figures out the difference between a good and a bad shot, because he does do a solid job of not turning the ball over and distributing. But when he puts up a jumper, which he does really, realy often, it's bad news.
In the right situation, I think Jennings is capable of being useful. But I can't think of a situation worse for him than Detroit, where he's going to be depended on to space the floor (since no one else on the team can shoot) and create far more offense than he should be relied on for.
EDIT: That isn't to say Knight's any better of a player by the way. I don't think he ends up any more than a 7th man at best to be honest, but that doesn't change that comitting to Jennings as the PG of this team is a mistake, compounded further by trying to turn Josh Smith into a SF.
|32 weeks 4 days ago||For a blog that has a ton of||
For a blog that has a ton of advanced analytics stuff, albeit mostly regarding football, I'm shocked to see a mixed reaction here.
Jennings is a bad player right now. He doesn't help you win games:
|32 weeks 4 days ago||Because they were never going||
Because they were never going to get Rondo for Knight.
|39 weeks 1 day ago||This line of thinking would||
This line of thinking would be acceptable if the Pistons were anywhere close to good. But when you're a lottery team, you don't draft to win now.
None of the Pistons backcourt options are good enough to justify passing up the BPA at #8, and if Burke's available at #8, he's definitely going to be the BPA. The only two players the Pistons should be building anything around are Monroe and Drummond, everyone else should simply be looked at as potential trade bait.
|40 weeks 5 days ago||"Best ... ever" might be||
"Best ... ever" might be taking things a bit far on reddit.
|41 weeks 5 days ago||The primary concern has||
The primary concern has pretty much always been about the offensive system that would be put into place under Hoke, and abou tthe viability of MAN BAWL on a national scale.
That said there were some people concerned that Hoke wasn't a "sexy" enough hire and wouldn't be able to recruit on an elite level, but clearly that wasn't a justified concern.
|42 weeks 10 hours ago||"Name one guy that went from||
"Name one guy that went from being a good shooter to great?"
It's not aobut going from good to great though, or from one arbitrary state to another, but simply put shooting is something that has a tendency to improve dramatically after a player's amateur career, and the ability to create off the dribble doesn't.
Jason Kidd became a quality three point shooter.
The NBA is full of guys who entered the league with questionable jumpshots but eventually turned into quality shooters. Finding a guy who came in without the ability to create for himself off the dribble and developed that ability while in the pros is near impossible.
|42 weeks 4 days ago||One of the easiest skills to||
One of the easiest skills to develop, really? I'd argue the complete opposite, it's incredibly rare to see a guy come into the league with a shaky handle and really tighten it up. Guys can improve their ball security in general, but typically someone who can't create off the dribble consistently in college isn't going to do so in the pros.
On the plus side, one of the things that is likely to improve for a guy like Hardaway is his jumpshot. Right now it's raw, he's a streak shooter who has solid form but hasn't produced the best results. Those are the types of guys who can take a big step forward and become reliable knock down shooters. To me, Hardaway's career goes as far as his jumpshot takes him, as he doesn't really have any tools that stand out as elite, and that's the one thing that has a shot at developing to that point. Refining his game defensively would help a good bit as well.
|47 weeks 3 days ago||What makes anyone think||
What makes anyone think they'd have gone higher if they stayed?
|48 weeks 11 hours ago||"Options"||
The problem is guys who go to Europe don't get a ton of playing time because the system there is so different and teams are so comitted to playing guys with experience. Brandon Jennings didn't get to play a ton of minutes in Italy, teams didn't get much of a chance to really evaluate him. He lucked out in getting drafted relatively high still, but it's a HUGE risk as a prospect to go over to Europe.
For most guys, thanks to the one and done rule, the only real option is to go to college if they want to actually be evaluated properly. And yes it's the NBA rule, I'm not blaming the NCAA, I'm blaming the NBA.
At the end of the day, these elite players come to school and the value they receive in return is far, far below what they would if they were allowed to enter the draft. A lot of guys do get a great deal, the guys who get scholarships while they don't really produce money for the University, and those are the guys who should be thankful. But let's not act like we're doing Shabazz or Nerlens Noel or whomever any favors by forcing them to go to school for one or two or three years.
|48 weeks 15 hours ago||Yeah||
Obviously anyone who understands that player's are essentially forced into giving up a huge financial opportunity is cleary an idiot I guess. Burke and McGary both would have chosen to be here this year regardless of if they could have entered the draft, a guy like Shabazz Mouhamed didn't.
Shabazz would have gone top 3 last year, now he's struggling to stay in the top 10 AND lost a year of salary in the millions of dollars. But I'm sure he's really happy he got his one year of tuition at UCLA.
The one and done rule is a joke, the system should be closer to baseball's. Let guys enter straight out of highschool, or require two years of college.
|48 weeks 15 hours ago||#3||
I think #3-#9 in this draft is entirely subjective, could definitely see Burke go as high as 3.
#1 and #2 should be locked up with Noel and McLemore though.
|1 year 4 weeks ago||Brady + Woodson together in||
Brady + Woodson together in New England.
Make it so.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||Efficiency wise he's good,||
Efficiency wise he's good, but not dominant. He's an ok rebounder but not great. Defensively he doesn't do a ton to stand out. He profiles as the exact type of guy you love to have on a college team but probably doesn't do anything well enough to be a huge asset on the next level. Very few players get to be go to scorers in the NBA...
|1 year 5 weeks ago||A bit confused as to how||
A bit confused as to how Burke would jump in projections after the last week or few weeks even. If anything I feel like he's been a bit exposed against some elite defenses.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the guy, I think he'll make a damned good NBA player, but watching him settle for contested 3s and struggle to get into the lane these past few games wouldn't make me feel any better about his chances to be an elite NBA guard. From a scouting stand point I'd have the same, if not more, concerns as I would have had a month ago.