Multiple outlets reporting sign-and-trade with the Bucks for Jennings, with his contract being 3 yrs $24 million. No word on what the Pistons are giving up. I'm not a fan of this move.EDIT: sending Knight, Middleton, and Kratsov. link:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--pistons-to-acquire-brandon-jennings-in-sign-and-trade-deal-211830240.html
Pistons to acquire Brandon Jennings
If you're giving up Knight why not get Rondo?
Because they were never going to get Rondo for Knight.
or cause Danby ainge said no trade for Rondo at this time . Word around the league is Rondo will not be available till the trade deadline which would push the cost of him to go way up
Shrewd, but, man, do I feel bad for Rondo going into this season.
I heard Boston may literally be planning to tank because there is a Lebron-esque kid coming available for the draft next year and they want number 1. Anybody know who this guy is?
I know people love the idea of Rondo, but he's recovering from a pretty nasty injury that might alter his game. Also, and I know people love to gloss over this, but he played with between 2 and 3 HOF players for most of his "peak". And even with that, the offense usually struggled somewhat in scoring points. He's a good PG, but let's see him do ANYTHING without Garnett, Pierce, and Allen before we all bow down to the Rondo throne.
Now that I think about it the floor might already be clogged with J Smith at the 3 so adding Rondos broke jump shot might now be the best move. Jennings will stretch the floor better than Rondo
Not be the best move**
Think bigger. If we are giving up Knight, why not go for LeBron?!
If they wanted a PG...
WTF DIDN'T THEY PICK UP TREY BURKE????
Ugh, my head hurts.
Then my second thought was at least Jennings is still young and has shown flashes of ability at the NBA level already. That's just me trying to rationalize the perceived lack of competence this front office has shown lately in my humble opinion. Still feels like a borderline playoff team at best.
As much as I love Trey, I'm not sure he'll ever be as productive as Jennings is right now. Meanwhile, they added a shooter on the wing with the draft pick and now have upgraded PG for relatively little money. Even granting that the Smith deal might end up being awful, I think the front office could have done much worse this offseason.
I have one question. Do you think Jennings will help sell as many tickets in the state of Michigan as would have the drafting of our beloved Trey?
Trey would have provided a short term boost, but if the Pistons didn't start winning, it wouldn't be sustainable. If Jennings helps turn this Pistons team into a playoff team, which I think is quite possible, maybe even probable given the state of the East, he'll have helped sell more tickets.
But I never bought tix to watch Chauncey play but definitely would have to see Trey. Maybe I represent a small minority due to my Go Blue obsession.
Well, they drafted Mateen Cleaves some time ago and the team still stunk and nobody came to see them. Winning gets people in the doors, and even if Burke gave them a quick injection of fans early on, I don't see him leading this team to the playoffs as a rookie.
Because right now Brandon Jennings is a WAY better NBA player than Trey? I love Burke as a college player, but he has shown nothing in the NBA, obviously. Maybe he'll be a great, maybe he'll be the mess he was in the preseason, who knows. But when you can get a player like Jennings for not that much (I've never been high on Knight), you have to do it.
The fact that they made this move makes it ok that they didn't draft Trey. At least Joe is acknowledging that we didn't have a PG up until today. And that we didn't have a 2 up until draft day either.
We will actually be a competitive team in the East this year with the moves We made this offseason. I have to admit I was wrong about Joe and jumped the gun a bit in being critical of him after not drafting Trey.
at least you can admit you jumped the gun, most people around here are going to bitch abour trey from now till he is out of the league...
Yes, I will.
Obviously I would have loved for them to get Burke, but by all accounts KCP looked VERY impressive in the summer league and they need guys who can shoot, run, and play defense. KCP might very well have been the better choice for the Pistons this year.
He takes A LOT of shots but he's an upgrade that's for sure. Although I didn't/don't want to give up on Knight so quickly, i don't hate this move. Must have been asking to much for Rondo so they made their move. What a vastly different roster from one year to the next.
I like the move. Not a bad player at all for the money he is getting. And who knows, getting out of Milwaukee could be just what he needs to continue developing into a top 10 point guard.
Doesn't seem like we're giving up a whole lot, and at 3 years/24 mil, it's not a huge cap hit. I am not sold on Brandon Knight's potential, which to me isn't any higher than what Brandon Jennings is right now.
Joe D is putting a LOT of faith in KCP and Datome to open things up on the perimeter. It would be nice to see some development out of Singler, too. Otherwise, it's going to be tough sledding because as as been discussed before, none of our three big men can shoot and Jennings certainly isn't going to clear out that space with his presence alone.
I think a lot of people forget that we still have Stuckey. Stuckey will never live up to his potential but he is a good 3rd option at guard with Billups/Jennings/KCP in there as well. I didn't include Datome because I have no idea what to expect from him. If I had to guess, he will fill the old Jon Barry role: Come in and immediately do a heat check. If he hits a couple, you leave him in there, if not...sit him down quickly before he kills you defensively.
Personally, I think Jennings is significantly better than Knight. Knight has better range in theory, but he's had a couple of years to figure out the rest of his game and all I've seen is regression.
Remeber a few years ago signing Gordon and Villanueva? That really panned out and this off season is eerily similar by signing Smith and getting Jennings? Really? Come on Dumars.
Just because that didn't work out doesn't mean this won't. I feel better about this year with both Monroe and Drummond and think KCP could turn into a solid starter.
Jennings is awful. He's a shot chucker/ball hog. There's a reason he sat around for this long as a FA.
And Brandon Knight is immensely better? It's $8 mil/yr for 3 years. This is a good deal.
While Jennings does have poor shot selection (shot 39% from the field), he also averaged 6.5 assists, which was 2.5 more than Brandon Knight. Also, Jennings will have more weapons in Detroit than he did with the Bucks.
This is exactly the point that nobody seems to grasp, and it's kind of surprising to see it from readers of this efficiency-obsessed blog. All points are not equal. Brandon Jennings is a good player and an effective scorer if you ignore all statistics that reflect efficiency. Was Brandon Knight going to be a star? No. Will this move make the Pistons a contender? No. I'd stick with the worse roster and wait a year before committing even that much more cash over the next few years.
They don't seem similar at all. Jennings for 8 mil for 3 seasons is a small risk and a movable contract if he doesn't work out. Same with Smith's. and while both are limited players IMO, they fill roles and will be productive. BG was an undersized SH getting starters money to come off the bench. CV was just a terrible player. Those were signings just for the sake of signing players. Smith and Jennings - far from it.
I heard it's for Brandon Knight. Regardless, I don't like Jennings coming here. I don't know that he will be an unselfish PG. If he plays PG the right way and not be a ball-hog, it might be fine. If he plays like he is known for, it won't work.
I suppose you could do worse for $8M/year. How much did Charlie V. get a few years ago? Ben Gordon?
Charlie V got 5 years at $8 million/year and Ben Gordon got 5 years at $11 million/year. This is around the same as Stuckey's contract from 2 years ago.
This guy averages close to 18 & 7 game, far from a bad move. Only time will tell if the team will be successful, but from the looks of it they look a lot better.
He's an upgrade over Knight, that's for sure. We needed a starting point guard and that's what we got with him. Stop with the comparisons to Villanueva and Gordon...Knight is younger and cheaper than Gordon. Smith is younger and better than villanueva
BJ scoring 45 points in a half & he is the youngest player to ever tally 50+ in a nba game
making slightly less than 4 out of every 10 shots he takes!
Some people on this site really annoy me with their NBA "analyisis." Getting Jennings is far from a dumb move, as the Pistons get a point guard who's actually, well, played point guard in the NBA at a high level.
I get it - you wanted Joe Dumars to draft Trey Burke. He didn't, and now my gawd he's finding an option in FA. Joe Dumars and Trey Burke can both be good at their jobs independently of each other, which is a fact that some posters continue to deny.
This is a good move. The fact that some of you are so against is ridiculous. I can see being meh about it, but in no way is this a bad move. You ask him to cut some of the shots, look for him to provide 15 and 7 a game, and you're starting to build something.